Pro-spanking: Mostly agree that it's only appropriate as a last resort, and to be used sparingly. If child shows no improvement, discontinue immediately. Many here have offered detailed lists of alternatives(Halfpint, Nikolce, etc).
Anti-Spanking: You're all horrible people and should never have children!
So, any ideas on alternatives then if spanking is so horrible?
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Bahamut.Bizarro said:
...I ask only because I want to see what your "advanced enlightened approach" is.
there's too many options to consider, however spanking them is definitely not one of them.
Go schedule an appointment with a shrink.
Obvious cop out is obvious. You've made your point. Try contributing something worthwhile. Even the parents in favor of spanking have given many, many alternatives.
Your argument is akin to saying pour hot sauce in their eyes as punishment, try something else when it doesn't work. Both are equally *** up things to do with no long term lasting effects.
There's plenty of alternatives, I don't need to sit here and list them for you.
Halfpint said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Halfpint said:
Sylph.Zenairis said:
Also a few more notes some of these kids have killed their behavioral instructors and teachers, or even sent them to the hospital with serious injuries and because of the law's protecting children the instructors and teachers cannot defend themselves in any way form or fashion, all they are allowed to do is lock the child in a hold position and if a kid goes and lies and accuses a instructor or teacher them of something they didn't do and they weren't on camera they lose their job. These are both normal and kid's from abusive situation's.
Unfortunately, by the time abused kids get to school age, so much damage has been done that everyone suffers. Kids don't have to be physically abused to have behavioral issues. Verbal/mental- emotional/ sexual abuse can cause as much damage or more than physical abuse. It can also contribute to a wide range of reactions to what seems like a simple thing to us, but is a terrifying trigger to them. I am also bothered that the word of a child is taken over the word of an adult, but there are also arrest after arrest of educators that are behaving in improper ways. For the longest time children were ignored so it seems things have swung in the opposite direction. Unless the teacher has several reliable students to back them up, educator abuse will continue. Pretty soon all classrooms are going to have camera's or a Teacher's assistant in order to check and protect the staff from inaccurate accusations. I don't know, with the popularity of online education maybe everyone will be schooled at home within the next 20 years.
teachers should have assistants anyway, classrooms are far too large for a single instructor to properly teach 20-30 students
With federal funds for education being cut, the classrooms will get fuller. Teacher's assistants are the first ppl getting cut as well as newly hired teachers. Crappy, under-motivated, long-term teachers are being kept over newer graduates who, in their first year of teaching, proved to be far more effective in helping the students progress academically.
BTW...most classes will be 35-40 students in the classroom within the next 2 years. Means Parents need to step up and help the kids at home because the teachers no longer have the time to give the kids the attention they need.
Hence why I wouldn't send children to public school, well that and many other reasons.
I beat my children on the back of the legs with switches till they break. I was raised that way and it made me *** learn and not do it again. Yes lets spoil and make the children fatter.
I beat my children on the back of the legs with switches till they break. I was raised that way and it made me *** learn and not do it again. Yes lets spoil and make the children fatter.
Just because you were abused doesn't mean it's okay to abuse again.
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Because you can't list them.
Prove me wrong.
I'm not going to give you the pleasure of your trolling, go away.
My opinion is that a child should only be physically punished (spanked) when it is absolutely necessary AND the child fully understands WHY they are being punished. A child being harmed by their parents without the understanding of why it is happening will not learn anything from the experience (and will become more detached and angry towards their parents). In most situations, a child who is old enough to understand that they have done something wrong can be reasoned with by using words and less severe forms of punishment.
I beat my children on the back of the legs with switches till they break. I was raised that way and it made me *** learn and not do it again. Yes lets spoil and make the children fatter.
Just because you were abused doesn't mean it's okay to abuse again.
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Because you can't list them.
Prove me wrong.
I'm not going to give you the pleasure of your trolling, go away.
I beat my children on the back of the legs with switches till they break. I was raised that way and it made me *** learn and not do it again. Yes lets spoil and make the children fatter.
Just because you were abused doesn't mean it's okay to abuse again.
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Because you can't list them.
Prove me wrong.
I'm not going to give you the pleasure of your trolling, go away.
I knew that you couldn't.
Would and could are two entirely different things, and I have no obligation to you or any one else to prove my capability of either.
I'm not going to give you the pleasure of your trolling, go away.
What a cop out. Sure call him a troll when you have no arguments to put forth other than your own misguided opinion. Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about and as usual you are here just to spit your misguided opinions in to everyone's face.
Seriously, what are your ideas for alternatives?
Most of the pro-spanking people have listed many alternatives that they use, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. That's were spanking comes in. Children are children, they don't always understand logic and reasoning like you seem to think. Children often push boundaries as well.
Yes I was spanked a few times as a child. A light slap on the butt is not abuse and it set me straight when I was acting up. I love my parents and I'm better for it.
If you aren't going to offer any alternative ideas and are you're just keep spouting your mouth off with your misguided opinions and insulting anyone who disagrees, I have to ask why are you even here?
You keep harping on about civility when you, yourself, aren't even capable of having a regular civil conversation.
I beat my children on the back of the legs with switches till they break. I was raised that way and it made me *** learn and not do it again. Yes lets spoil and make the children fatter.
Just because you were abused doesn't mean it's okay to abuse again.
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Because you can't list them.
Prove me wrong.
I'm not going to give you the pleasure of your trolling, go away.
I knew that you couldn't.
Would and could are two entirely different things, and I have no obligation to you or any one else to prove my capability of either.
I'm not going to give you the pleasure of your trolling, go away.
What a cop out. Sure call him a troll when you have no arguments to put forth other than your own misguided opinion. Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about and as usual you are here just to spit your misguided opinions in to everyone's face.
Seriously, what are your ideas for alternatives?
Most of the pro-spanking people have listed many alternatives that they use, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. That's were spanking comes in. Children are children, they don't always understand logic and reasoning like you seem to think. Children often push boundaries as well.
Yes I was spanked a few times as a child. A light slap on the butt is not abuse and it set me straight when I was acting up. I love my parents and I'm better for it.
If you aren't going to offer any alternative ideas and are you're just keep spouting your mouth off with your misguided opinions and insulting anyone who disagrees, I have to ask why are you even here?
You keep harping on about civility when you, yourself, aren't even capable of having a regular civil conversation.
Spanking is abuse, and I don't need to provide alternatives because they are obvious.
Saying abuse is okay because you lack the ability to come up with another solution is just fail on your part.
You do realise screaming your point of view the loudest doesn't automatically make you correct right? I know you might think you 'win' arguments that way, but in reality people just can't be bothered with your closed mindedness.
Try to go into a debate irl just by saying "No you're wrong" after every sentence, see how far it gets you.
I'm not going to give you the pleasure of your trolling, go away.
What a cop out. Sure call him a troll when you have no arguments to put forth other than your own misguided opinion. Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about and as usual you are here just to spit your misguided opinions in to everyone's face.
Seriously, what are your ideas for alternatives?
Most of the pro-spanking people have listed many alternatives that they use, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. That's were spanking comes in. Children are children, they don't always understand logic and reasoning like you seem to think. Children often push boundaries as well.
Yes I was spanked a few times as a child. A light slap on the butt is not abuse and it set me straight when I was acting up. I love my parents and I'm better for it.
If you aren't going to offer any alternative ideas and are you're just keep spouting your mouth off with your misguided opinions and insulting anyone who disagrees, I have to ask why are you even here?
You keep harping on about civility when you, yourself, aren't even capable of having a regular civil conversation.
Spanking is abuse, and I don't need to provide alternatives because they are obvious.
Saying abuse is okay because you lack the ability to come up with another solution is just fail on your part.
You sound like a record on repeat. Yes yes, we got your opinion already. We are asking you for your great alternatives since you, apparently, have it all figured out.
Yes, there are plenty of alternatives, such as taking privileges away, grounding, the guilt trip, etc. What do you do when none of those work and the child continues to misbehave in the same manner?
As many, with children, have said spanking is only a last resort, it's quick and it does have a lasting impact. You obviously did not read the many examples of it being effective by the many parents in this thread.
Like I said, I'm pretty sure Jetac was beaten by a priest when he was a child.
That explains a lot.
Also, he wouldn't say "No, you're wrong", he'd say "No, you are an idiot and I can't wait for your kind to die. I hope idiots like you cease to exist soon so the world can move forward" I'm sure that will get him much further.
You do realise screaming your point of view the loudest doesn't automatically make you correct right? I know you might think you 'win' arguments that way, but in reality people just can't be bothered with your closed mindedness.
Try to go into a debate irl just by saying "No you're wrong" after every sentence, see how far it gets you.
That is all I've ever seen him do on any subject. He never is able to do anything other than spout his unwanted or misguided opinions. Then he just continues to repeat himself until people give up trying to have a civil debate or conversation with him.
For someone who claims intelligence, civility, thinking logically, and "greatness" (from his avatar), he really manages to display to others that he is none of those.
You sound like a record on repeat. Yes yes, we got your opinion already. We are asking you for your great alternatives since you, apparently, have it all figured out.
Yes, there are plenty of alternatives, such as taking privileges away, grounding, the guilt trip, etc. What do you do when none of those work and the child continues to misbehave in the same manner?
As many, with children, have said spanking is only a last resort, it's quick and it does have a lasting impact. You obviously did not read the many examples of it being effective by the many parents in this thread.
Like I said, just because people don't know how to raise children doesn't mean they need to resort to abuse to "maintain control".
You sound like a record on repeat. Yes yes, we got your opinion already. We are asking you for your great alternatives since you, apparently, have it all figured out.
Yes, there are plenty of alternatives, such as taking privileges away, grounding, the guilt trip, etc. What do you do when none of those work and the child continues to misbehave in the same manner?
As many, with children, have said spanking is only a last resort, it's quick and it does have a lasting impact. You obviously did not read the many examples of it being effective by the many parents in this thread.
Like I said, just because people don't know how to raise children doesn't mean they need to resort to abuse to "maintain control".
Like I said, I'm pretty sure Jetac was beaten by a priest when he was a child.
That explains a lot.
Also, he wouldn't say "No, you're wrong", he'd say "No, you are an idiot and I can't wait for your kind to die. I hope idiots like you cease to exist soon so the world can move forward" I'm sure that will get him much further.
He doesn't really claim to want people to die. When he's saying stuff like "I hope idiots like you cease to exist soon so the world can move forward" he's actually referring to their way of thinking. Pretty much he's saying he hopes society betters itself. Which isn't a bad ideal, however, simply shouting your opinion at people and telling people who disagree they are stupid, is counterproductive towards that goal.
You sound like a record on repeat. Yes yes, we got your opinion already. We are asking you for your great alternatives since you, apparently, have it all figured out.
Yes, there are plenty of alternatives, such as taking privileges away, grounding, the guilt trip, etc. What do you do when none of those work and the child continues to misbehave in the same manner?
As many, with children, have said spanking is only a last resort, it's quick and it does have a lasting impact. You obviously did not read the many examples of it being effective by the many parents in this thread.
Like I said, just because people don't know how to raise children doesn't mean they need to resort to abuse to "maintain control".
Abuse is never the answer.
Since you seem to understand how to raise children so well, please tell me your alternative methods of discipline. I'm quite obviously to simple-minded to think at your level of logic and civility. Please teach me your ways of parenting so that I may improve myself and my ways.
there is a HUGE difference between spanking and abuse
absolutely nothing wrong with a few swift cracks to the *** when a child is out of line
instills discipline
I've seen quite a few people who spank their kids and quite a few who don't, including friends and family. the ones who are spanked are much more well behaved in most cases
not every child can be simply "told" that something is wrong, some maybe, but from what I've seen that's the minority.
So, was having this debate on whether spanking is still an applicable technique or not in these times on facebook and wanted to drop in and see what XI thought on the matter.
Always
Sometimes
Only when you really feel its necessary
Never
