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Spanking of childrens
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By Odin.Sheelay 2011-06-20 12:41:05
This topic has raised so much dispute I feel like spanking everything.
Leviathan.Angelskiss
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By Leviathan.Angelskiss 2011-06-20 12:48:53
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By Artemicion 2011-06-20 12:49:38
I hope nobody here would object to spanking your partner under various circumstances ^_~
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Cerberus.Tidis
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By Cerberus.Tidis 2011-06-20 12:50:32
Artemicion said: I hope nobody here would object to spanking your partner under various circumstances ^_~ Honestly it would be easier to just punch her in the face, same thing right?
By Artemicion 2011-06-20 12:50:58
Cerberus.Tidis said: Artemicion said: I hope nobody here would object to spanking your partner under various circumstances ^_~ Honestly it would be easier to just punch her in the face, same thing right?
Spousal abuse, child abuse... same diff.
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By Sylph.Systematicchaos 2011-06-20 12:51:01
Artemicion said: I hope nobody here would object to spanking your partner under various circumstances ^_~
That's domestic abuse and should be reported to your local law enforcement officer.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-06-20 12:52:09
Leviathan.Angelskiss said: L
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<3 bah you're just saying that 'cause you wanna get spanked.
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By Lakshmi.Seoha 2011-06-20 12:52:53
Someone should nuke this thread before Raen comes demanding mithra *** to spank~
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By Leviathan.Angelskiss 2011-06-20 12:54:19
Want to, or will be?
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muahaha
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2011-06-20 12:56:40
I have probably said this before but read 1984...
All people, children included, have something they find intollerable. Your goal as a parent is to find and exploit that pressure point to mold your child into an obedient, subserviant young gentleman/lady in public. Sometimes it's the time out corner, sometimes it's a spank on the butt. No matter what it is, you will know when you find it when the mere threat of it straightens the kid right out.
If you find yourself repeating any disiplinary action more than once a week you need to try something else.
You can always tell the stupid parents with no understanding of this concept. Their kids are the ones on leashes in the mall throwing the temper tantrum under the clothes rack. Thier kids always have that feral glint in their eye.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-06-20 12:57:48
Shiva.Nikolce said: I have probably said this before but read 1984...
All people, children included, have something they find intollerable. Your goal as a parent is to find and exploit that pressure point to mold your child into an obedient, subserviant young gentleman/lady in public. Sometimes it's the time out corner, sometimes it's a spank on the butt. No matter what it is, you will know when you find it when the mere threat of it straightens the kid right out.
If you find yourself repeating any disiplinary action more than once a week you need to try something else.
You can always tell the stupid parents with no understanding of this concept. Their kids are the ones on leashes in the mall throwing the temper tantrum under the clothes rack. Thier kids always have that feral glint in their eye. ^Dr.Nick has my support, best argument we'll see on here.
Situational is situational and there isn't one fix-all technique when it comes to child-rearing regardless as to what the thousands of books on Amazon.com tell you or how Grandma got your mom to "behave" back in the day.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2011-06-20 13:10:51
I wish I had a nickel for every parent that looked at me like I was crazy when I told them to try a different disipline technique until they found one that works. The thought never crosses most people's minds they just repeat whatever was used (often ineffectively) on them. If that doesn't work alot of them just shrug their shoulders and give up.
Insanity is repeating the same action over and over and over and over and over and expecting a different result.
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By Odin.Sheelay 2011-06-20 13:12:52
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By Leviathan.Mikeh 2011-06-20 13:21:19
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2011-06-20 13:43:39
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: I agree with the "exploding a pressure point" but it's not something you find- rather it's something you create. Also, I agree with the don't use it too often- cuz then it'll end up noneffective.
Find through trial and error I suppose I should have said. If the punishment doesn't work (and by work I mean immediately change the kid's behavior) it's never going too. One of my kids hated the time out corner, I rarely ever actually put him in it, just the mere mention of it and he would go all too pieces and immediately correct the unwanted behavior. You could spank him all day long and he would never change his what he was doing.
Leviathan.Iphigenia
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By Leviathan.Iphigenia 2011-06-20 13:52:04
Spanking teaches that violence is a way to solve a conflict. It's why so many adults continue to think it's a proper solution for any kind of dispute.
So yeah, spanking works for that...
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By Halfpint 2011-06-20 13:52:20
Sylph.Zenairis said: Also a few more notes some of these kids have killed their behavioral instructors and teachers, or even sent them to the hospital with serious injuries and because of the law's protecting children the instructors and teachers cannot defend themselves in any way form or fashion, all they are allowed to do is lock the child in a hold position and if a kid goes and lies and accuses a instructor or teacher them of something they didn't do and they weren't on camera they lose their job. These are both normal and kid's from abusive situation's.
Unfortunately, by the time abused kids get to school age, so much damage has been done that everyone suffers. Kids don't have to be physically abused to have behavioral issues. Verbal/mental- emotional/ sexual abuse can cause as much damage or more than physical abuse. It can also contribute to a wide range of reactions to what seems like a simple thing to us, but is a terrifying trigger to them.
I am also bothered that the word of a child is taken over the word of an adult, but there are also arrest after arrest of educators that are behaving in improper ways. For the longest time children were ignored so it seems things have swung in the opposite direction. Unless the teacher has several reliable students to back them up, educator abuse will continue.
Pretty soon all classrooms are going to have camera's or a Teacher's assistant in order to check and protect the staff from inaccurate accusations. I don't know, with the popularity of online education maybe everyone will be schooled at home within the next 20 years.
By Halfpint 2011-06-20 13:53:59
that clip is just plain disturbing!!!!!
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2011-06-20 13:55:42
Leviathan.Iphigenia said: Spanking teaches that violence is a way to solve a conflict. It's why so many adults continue to think it's a proper solution for any kind of dispute. So yeah, spanking works for that...
Not really, kids aren't that smart. For kids whose behavior it doesn't change immediately, spanking becomes a mere formality, a momentary interuption in their daily lives. It doesn't teach them anything other than the spanker is a moron.
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By Cerberus.Rayik 2011-06-20 13:57:55
Leviathan.Iphigenia said: Spanking teaches that violence is a way to solve a conflict. It's why so many adults continue to think it's a proper solution for any kind of dispute.
So yeah, spanking works for that...
So what do you do when you've politely asked your child to stop doing whatever it is they deserve reprimanded for? Keep asking? I'm genuinely curious, not trying to be sarcastic.
Spanking works for some, but it didn't work for you. Whatever method you found that works, keep going with that.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2011-06-20 14:06:06
Cerberus.Rayik said: So what do you do when you've politely asked your child to stop doing whatever it is they deserve reprimanded for? Keep asking? I'm genuinely curious, not trying to be sarcastic. Spanking works for some, but it didn't work for you. Whatever method you found that works, keep going with that.
Some kids are afraid of the dark, for some kids its isolation, it could be a number of things; physical labor/excercise, loss of cherished objects, loss of priveges heck even foods
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-06-20 14:07:24
Halfpint said: Sylph.Zenairis said: Also a few more notes some of these kids have killed their behavioral instructors and teachers, or even sent them to the hospital with serious injuries and because of the law's protecting children the instructors and teachers cannot defend themselves in any way form or fashion, all they are allowed to do is lock the child in a hold position and if a kid goes and lies and accuses a instructor or teacher them of something they didn't do and they weren't on camera they lose their job. These are both normal and kid's from abusive situation's.
Unfortunately, by the time abused kids get to school age, so much damage has been done that everyone suffers. Kids don't have to be physically abused to have behavioral issues. Verbal/mental- emotional/ sexual abuse can cause as much damage or more than physical abuse. It can also contribute to a wide range of reactions to what seems like a simple thing to us, but is a terrifying trigger to them.
I am also bothered that the word of a child is taken over the word of an adult, but there are also arrest after arrest of educators that are behaving in improper ways. For the longest time children were ignored so it seems things have swung in the opposite direction. Unless the teacher has several reliable students to back them up, educator abuse will continue.
Pretty soon all classrooms are going to have camera's or a Teacher's assistant in order to check and protect the staff from inaccurate accusations. I don't know, with the popularity of online education maybe everyone will be schooled at home within the next 20 years.
teachers should have assistants anyway, classrooms are far too large for a single instructor to properly teach 20-30 students
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By Leviathan.Angelskiss 2011-06-20 14:12:31
I have to disagree with the use of food as a punishment or reward, it has the potential to create very unhealthy eating patterns through out life.
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By Sylph.Systematicchaos 2011-06-20 14:18:50
You really just shouldn't punish your kids at all, then they wouldn't ever be unhappy. Then they could just keep doing what they're doing and... nevermind, back to spanking everyone.
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By Leviathan.Angelskiss 2011-06-20 14:20:22
Taking away their toys is a bit different then using food, which is a vital part of their life lasting health, as a weapon of punishment.
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By Sylph.Systematicchaos 2011-06-20 14:23:08
I'm not arguing with you, I was just making a sarcastic comment pertinent to this thread.
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By Cerberus.Rayik 2011-06-20 14:25:11
What I'm seeing a LOT of in this thread is:
Pro-spanking: Mostly agree that it's only appropriate as a last resort, and to be used sparingly. If child shows no improvement, discontinue immediately. Many here have offered detailed lists of alternatives(Halfpint, Nikolce, etc).
Anti-Spanking: You're all horrible people and should never have children!
So, any ideas on alternatives then if spanking is so horrible?
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Bahamut.Bizarro said:
...I ask only because I want to see what your "advanced enlightened approach" is.
there's too many options to consider, however spanking them is definitely not one of them.
Go schedule an appointment with a shrink.
Obvious cop out is obvious. You've made your point. Try contributing something worthwhile. Even the parents in favor of spanking have given many, many alternatives.
By Halfpint 2011-06-20 14:39:58
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Halfpint said: Sylph.Zenairis said: Also a few more notes some of these kids have killed their behavioral instructors and teachers, or even sent them to the hospital with serious injuries and because of the law's protecting children the instructors and teachers cannot defend themselves in any way form or fashion, all they are allowed to do is lock the child in a hold position and if a kid goes and lies and accuses a instructor or teacher them of something they didn't do and they weren't on camera they lose their job. These are both normal and kid's from abusive situation's. Unfortunately, by the time abused kids get to school age, so much damage has been done that everyone suffers. Kids don't have to be physically abused to have behavioral issues. Verbal/mental- emotional/ sexual abuse can cause as much damage or more than physical abuse. It can also contribute to a wide range of reactions to what seems like a simple thing to us, but is a terrifying trigger to them. I am also bothered that the word of a child is taken over the word of an adult, but there are also arrest after arrest of educators that are behaving in improper ways. For the longest time children were ignored so it seems things have swung in the opposite direction. Unless the teacher has several reliable students to back them up, educator abuse will continue. Pretty soon all classrooms are going to have camera's or a Teacher's assistant in order to check and protect the staff from inaccurate accusations. I don't know, with the popularity of online education maybe everyone will be schooled at home within the next 20 years. teachers should have assistants anyway, classrooms are far too large for a single instructor to properly teach 20-30 students
With federal funds for education being cut, the classrooms will get fuller. Teacher's assistants are the first ppl getting cut as well as newly hired teachers. Crappy, under-motivated, long-term teachers are being kept over newer graduates who, in their first year of teaching, proved to be far more effective in helping the students progress academically.
BTW...most classes will be 35-40 students in the classroom within the next 2 years. Means Parents need to step up and help the kids at home because the teachers no longer have the time to give the kids the attention they need.
So, was having this debate on whether spanking is still an applicable technique or not in these times on facebook and wanted to drop in and see what XI thought on the matter.
Always
Sometimes
Only when you really feel its necessary
Never
Or anything in between.
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