RPG's are changing I'd say as technology advances the deves have this lust to do new and more adventurous things than click attack or summon etc.
But that's all it felt like you could do in FFXIII, ironically. You had no control over the outcome of the story, choices your character makes, nothing. Click 2 buttons and watch a 30 minute cut scene. I did read that SE tried to do something different this time around, since western RPG were kicking their butts(Mass Effect, Fallout 3, Oblivion, etc). I just didn't think they were going to take the one great thing all those games have in common and toss it(choices that mattered, different paths, etc).
I apologize if my tone is overly aggressive. If someone genuinely enjoyed the game, then my hat's off to you. Yes, my standards were pretty high; It's FINAL FANTASY, I was expecting quite a bit.
That being said, I'll give XIII-2 a try. Maybe it'll be different. But if it's anotehr round of 3/4 of the game being a tutorial or just hit "auto-battle", then I'm going to pass.
Once again. You only progressed 2 hours in and your wife 5. There is a reason the battle system in has a whole 1 disc tutorial. It is quite complex at times with the constant switching of jobs and switching to multiple set ups where you are being defensive, exploiting stagger, healing, building stagger, trying to have a tank while building stagger etc etc etc. In the 2nd and 3rd disc of the game it becomes quite complex and even strategic. It's a really enjoyable system once you get through the tutorials.
Edit: And I want to add w.o those tutorials you'd be absolutely *** getting thrown into combat with that battle system. that's why they train you in it piece by piece.
RPG's are changing I'd say as technology advances the deves have this lust to do new and more adventurous things than click attack or summon etc.
But that's all it felt like you could do in FFXIII, ironically. You had no control over the outcome of the story, choices your character makes, nothing. Click 2 buttons and watch a 30 minute cut scene. I did read that SE tried to do something different this time around, since western RPG were kicking their butts(Mass Effect, Fallout 3, Oblivion, etc). I just didn't think they were going to take the one great thing all those games have in common and toss it(choices that mattered, different paths, etc).
I apologize if my tone is overly aggressive. If someone genuinely enjoyed the game, then my hat's off to you. Yes, my standards were pretty high; It's FINAL FANTASY, I was expecting quite a bit.
That being said, I'll give XIII-2 a try. Maybe it'll be different. But if it's anotehr round of 3/4 of the game being a tutorial or just hit "auto-battle", then I'm going to pass.
It also just crossed my mind that this sequel could be all that superfluous content SE created from the production of the first game. I like it so far.
RPG's are changing I'd say as technology advances the deves have this lust to do new and more adventurous things than click attack or summon etc.
But that's all it felt like you could do in FFXIII, ironically. You had no control over the outcome of the story, choices your character makes, nothing. Click 2 buttons and watch a 30 minute cut scene. I did read that SE tried to do something different this time around, since western RPG were kicking their butts(Mass Effect, Fallout 3, Oblivion, etc). I just didn't think they were going to take the one great thing all those games have in common and toss it(choices that mattered, different paths, etc).
I apologize if my tone is overly aggressive. If someone genuinely enjoyed the game, then my hat's off to you. Yes, my standards were pretty high; It's FINAL FANTASY, I was expecting quite a bit.
That being said, I'll give XIII-2 a try. Maybe it'll be different. But if it's anotehr round of 3/4 of the game being a tutorial or just hit "auto-battle", then I'm going to pass.
Versus 13 will probably be better IMO.
Versus only looks as though it will be in the same universe as for same time line it looks totally off. FFXIII seems futuristic where as Versus looks more modern so storyline will probably intersect in the storyline of ffxiii because they are on the same plane at some point. but it wont be a sequel. also the gameplay looks to be very similar a dynasty warriors type of hack and slash which i think will cause it to be an action based game with a FF type storyline also some epic boss fights i imagine similar to those of demon souls. it will be like dirge of cerberus with a sword and free aiming rather than a gun and locked targeting.
But that's all it felt like you could do in FFXIII, ironically. You had no control over the outcome of the story, choices your character makes, nothing. Click 2 buttons and watch a 30 minute cut scene. I did read that SE tried to do something different this time around, since western RPG were kicking their butts(Mass Effect, Fallout 3, Oblivion, etc). I just didn't think they were going to take the one great thing all those games have in common and toss it(choices that mattered, different paths, etc). I apologize if my tone is overly aggressive. If someone genuinely enjoyed the game, then my hat's off to you. Yes, my standards were pretty high; It's FINAL FANTASY, I was expecting quite a bit. That being said, I'll give XIII-2 a try. Maybe it'll be different. But if it's anotehr round of 3/4 of the game being a tutorial or just hit "auto-battle", then I'm going to pass.
I sincerely as much as I love the choices , good/bad aspects of characters & freedom of choice in NA RPG , I hate it for same reason .
Call me an idiot but I'll give you an example !
so I remember plaing Fable 2 , where I made my character really that good , every weapon/armor/achievements etc , then part of completion I completed this quest/dungeon , where you find a potion by the end of it , basically this potion change your character gender , it literally turned my character into lesbian , & I wish if it was hot one , was ***' ugly , lost my spouse in-game lol , auto-saved & I couldn't undo !
that incidence alone made me hate all the gener of NA RPG , I rather to have good story with 345678 CSs , beautiful/good looking characters , great battle system , awesome music , linear gameplay over useless choices.
RPG's are changing I'd say as technology advances the deves have this lust to do new and more adventurous things than click attack or summon etc.
But that's all it felt like you could do in FFXIII, ironically. You had no control over the outcome of the story, choices your character makes, nothing. Click 2 buttons and watch a 30 minute cut scene. I did read that SE tried to do something different this time around, since western RPG were kicking their butts(Mass Effect, Fallout 3, Oblivion, etc). I just didn't think they were going to take the one great thing all those games have in common and toss it(choices that mattered, different paths, etc).
I apologize if my tone is overly aggressive. If someone genuinely enjoyed the game, then my hat's off to you. Yes, my standards were pretty high; It's FINAL FANTASY, I was expecting quite a bit.
That being said, I'll give XIII-2 a try. Maybe it'll be different. But if it's anotehr round of 3/4 of the game being a tutorial or just hit "auto-battle", then I'm going to pass.
Once again. You only progressed 2 hours in and your wife 5. There is a reason the battle system in has a whole 1 disc tutorial. It is quite complex at times with the constant switching of jobs and switching to multiple set ups where you are being defensive, exploiting stagger, healing, building stagger, trying to have a tank while building stagger etc etc etc. In the 2nd and 3rd disc of the game it becomes quite complex and even strategic. It's a really enjoyable system once you get through the tutorials.
Edit: And I want to add w.o those tutorials you'd be absolutely *** getting thrown into combat with that battle system. that's why they train you in it piece by piece.
Ok, I get that, but that wasn't my only gripe. Just my opinion, but the characters made me gag. I'm sorry, I just couldn't buy the Jersey Shore rejects that were Snow's posse, and Snow himself I wanted to strangle. I'm honestly really burned out on anime, and the cast was like every bad, generic anime cliche barfed onto the screen. Again, just my opinion.
Way too much anime influence for a FF game for my tastes. I understand it's always been there(been playing since FF 1), but this time it was just a bit too much. The giggly girl with the pink hair throwing peace signs completely killed whatever intense mood the opening scene was supposed to build up.
Versus only looks as though it will be in the same universe as for same time line it looks totally off. FFXIII seems futuristic where as Versus looks more modern so storyline will probably intersect in the storyline of ffxiii because they are on the same plane at some point. but it wont be a sequel. also the gameplay looks to be very similar a dynasty warriors type of hack and slash which i think will cause it to be an action based game with a FF type storyline also some epic boss fights i imagine similar to those of demon souls. it will be like dirge of cerberus with a sword and free aiming rather than a gun and locked targeting.
*** just need to team up with koei to make a good hack'nslash.
But that's all it felt like you could do in FFXIII, ironically. You had no control over the outcome of the story, choices your character makes, nothing. Click 2 buttons and watch a 30 minute cut scene. I did read that SE tried to do something different this time around, since western RPG were kicking their butts(Mass Effect, Fallout 3, Oblivion, etc). I just didn't think they were going to take the one great thing all those games have in common and toss it(choices that mattered, different paths, etc). I apologize if my tone is overly aggressive. If someone genuinely enjoyed the game, then my hat's off to you. Yes, my standards were pretty high; It's FINAL FANTASY, I was expecting quite a bit. That being said, I'll give XIII-2 a try. Maybe it'll be different. But if it's anotehr round of 3/4 of the game being a tutorial or just hit "auto-battle", then I'm going to pass.
I sincerely as much as I love the choices , good/bad aspects of characters & freedom of choice in NA RPG , I hate it for same reason .
Call me an idiot but I'll give you an example !
so I remember plaing Fable 2 , where I made my character really that good , every weapon/armor/achievements etc , then part of completion I completed this quest/dungeon , where you find a potion by the end of it , basically this potion change your character gender , it literally turned my character into lesbian , & I wish if it was hot one , was ***' ugly , lost my spouse in-game lol , auto-saved & I couldn't undo !
that incidence alone made me hate all the gener of NA RPG, I rather to have good story with 345678 CSs , beautiful/good looking characters , great battle system , awesome music , linear gameplay over useless choices.
The bolded part is no better than my disliking XIII after 2 hours.
EDIT: That particular part you're talking about made a LOT of people angry. Same thing happened to me lol. I also had a separate female character I was playing at the same time, so I just had her take the same potion and become a man. But yeah, getting that choice yanked out of your hands it pretty crappy. The devs knew it, too.
RPG's are changing I'd say as technology advances the deves have this lust to do new and more adventurous things than click attack or summon etc.
But that's all it felt like you could do in FFXIII, ironically. You had no control over the outcome of the story, choices your character makes, nothing. Click 2 buttons and watch a 30 minute cut scene. I did read that SE tried to do something different this time around, since western RPG were kicking their butts(Mass Effect, Fallout 3, Oblivion, etc). I just didn't think they were going to take the one great thing all those games have in common and toss it(choices that mattered, different paths, etc).
I apologize if my tone is overly aggressive. If someone genuinely enjoyed the game, then my hat's off to you. Yes, my standards were pretty high; It's FINAL FANTASY, I was expecting quite a bit.
That being said, I'll give XIII-2 a try. Maybe it'll be different. But if it's anotehr round of 3/4 of the game being a tutorial or just hit "auto-battle", then I'm going to pass.
Once again. You only progressed 2 hours in and your wife 5. There is a reason the battle system in has a whole 1 disc tutorial. It is quite complex at times with the constant switching of jobs and switching to multiple set ups where you are being defensive, exploiting stagger, healing, building stagger, trying to have a tank while building stagger etc etc etc. In the 2nd and 3rd disc of the game it becomes quite complex and even strategic. It's a really enjoyable system once you get through the tutorials.
Edit: And I want to add w.o those tutorials you'd be absolutely *** getting thrown into combat with that battle system. that's why they train you in it piece by piece.
Ok, I get that, but that wasn't my only gripe. Just my opinion, but the characters made me gag. I'm sorry, I just couldn't buy the Jersey Shore rejects that were Snow's posse, and Snow himself I wanted to strangle. I'm honestly really burned out on anime, and the cast was like every bad, generic anime cliche barfed onto the screen. Again, just my opinion.
Way too much anime influence for a FF game for my tastes. I understand it's always been there(been playing since FF 1), but this time it was just a bit too much. The giggly girl with the pink hair throwing peace signs completely killed whatever intense mood the opening scene was supposed to build up.
Well as you said the anime has always been there, they just havent been able to bring it to the front and make it noticeable until about FFXish. The last few FF have all had a crew like Snows, and Vanille's character is pretty deep in some aspects which explains why she acts that way at times. Shockingly there is a reason to her being looney.
It seems to me if SE was going to make this many games based around a single story/world, they'd of been better off just making it into its own franchise instead of following the Final Fantasy brand.
Well as you said the anime has always been there, they just havent been able to bring it to the front and make it noticeable until about FFXish. The last few FF have all had a crew like Snows, and Vanille's character is pretty deep in some aspects which explains why she acts that way at times. Shockingly there is a reason to her being looney.
Yeah, I get that. It's too bad it bored the piss out of me and I never got that far.
Like I said though, still going to give XIII-2 a try. I've been a fan of the FF series this long, I might as well see what it's like.
It seems to me if SE was going to make this many games based around a single story/world, they'd of been better off just making it into its own franchise instead of following the Final Fantasy brand.
Why not branch of one FF line.
FF7 Crisis Core
FF7
FF7 Dirge
FF7 Advent Children
It seems to me if SE was going to make this many games based around a single story/world, they'd of been better off just making it into its own franchise instead of following the Final Fantasy brand.
Why not branch of one FF line.
FF7 Crisis Core
FF7
FF7 Dirge
FF7 Advent Children
FFX
FFX-2
FFXII
FFXII Revenant Wings
It's not like they haven't done this before.
Didn't IV get a sequel on the Wii? I don't have a Wii, but IV was my favorite of the series. I'd like to see what happened in the story.
It seems to me if SE was going to make this many games based around a single story/world, they'd of been better off just making it into its own franchise instead of following the Final Fantasy brand.
Why not branch of one FF line.
FF7 Crisis Core
FF7
FF7 Dirge
FF7 Advent Children
FFX
FFX-2
FFXII
FFXII Revenant Wings
It's not like they haven't done this before.
Didn't IV get a sequel on the Wii? I don't have a Wii, but IV was my favorite of the series. I'd like to see what happened in the story.
I thought that was just a wii dl of the original 4 witha few tweaks made to it.
Well as you said the anime has always been there, they just havent been able to bring it to the front and make it noticeable until about FFXish. The last few FF have all had a crew like Snows, and Vanille's character is pretty deep in some aspects which explains why she acts that way at times. Shockingly there is a reason to her being looney.
Yeah, I get that. It's too bad it bored the piss out of me and I never got that far.
Like I said though, still going to give XIII-2 a try. I've been a fan of the FF series this long, I might as well see what it's like.
I will say that if you get past the first disc to where you have summons and bigger bosses, the game gets very fun. I find the combat system quite enjoyable.
The only console I have older than my N64 is my NES my others were lost when my parents seperated dad also lost my old ff 1-6 when he decided to pack his ***and move out :/ so i just reordered the old classics but i couldn't re-obtain 4 because i don't have a DS Q_Q and thats the ONLY thing i found a copy on so i may be buying a ds now lol
The only console I have older than my N64 is my NES my others were lost when my parents seperated dad also lost my old ff 1-6 when he decided to pack his ***and move out :/ so i just reordered the old classics but i couldn't re-obtain 4 because i don't have a DS Q_Q and thats the ONLY thing i found a copy on so i may be buying a ds now lol
They have FFIV Advance for the GBA. It's pretty slick; redone graphics, extra dungeons, and they added a part in the game so you can change out your party before the end of the game.
I know there's a 3d rendered version on DS, but I prefer the GBA one.
See, part of the reason I loved Final Fantasy of almost every kind was the fact that each had their own sense of identity. I didn't have to worry about which one I picked up first, or which order I played them in. Each had their own separate account of worlds, characters, lore, music, environments, stories, etc.
Sure there were plenty of cute allusions which only gave the games their own charm: moogles, chocobos, mini-games, biggs/wedge, etc. But for them to deliberately break tradition this rather successful chain to literally milk dry a (semi) successful stand-alone FF to the point where it doesn't even make sense anymore is rather disheartening.
In the beginning I was rather excited to learn of Advent Children, because like many, I absolutely relished FF7, so to see a sequel so to speak in movie form was enough to leave me ecstatic. However, the movie was mediocre, but delivered only shy of my expectations.
However, that wasn't enough. They had to continue milking the franchise by making Dirge of Cerberus, Before Crisis, Crisis Core, etc. etc.
None of which really tickled my fancy since it simply came down to the fact that Square-Enix was trying too hard. It was almost heart breaking to see what was once the most enjoyable and highly acclaimed stand alone FFs become victim to half-assed knockoff syndrome. I no longer became interested because it became blatantly apparent that SE no longer strived for excellence in constant fresh and consistent creativity which I followed religiously, but rather looks at sales records and wonders what else they can do with the same setup.
I hope I don't sound like some sort of "veteran" or "elitest" SE follower, but considering I've been a die-hard fan since Chrono Trigger, I believe I have every right to at least make reasonable observations to the trend, and in some ways the descent in quality when it comes to their new games. They have simply become nothing more than fast paced, high octane, balls to wall, hot chicks with gunblades eye candy with no worthwhile substance therein.
Several hours into XIII was more than enough to know I wouldn't like it. However, I am still going to continue since it's an interesting turn to see this "holocaust" scenario rather than your typical whimsical villian, save the world and get the girl formula which worked so well in the past.
Anyways, sorry for ranting. For the tl;dr folks: I'm nostalgic.
So.... should I finish XIII? Been meaning to... but keep putting it off lol.
I say it's worth it. The story as a whole is good.
Maybe i'll actually pop it in my PS3 today :)
I'll have to start from the beginning probably cause I don't remember how far in I was lol.
Gives me a reason to crack open the CE Players guide book I got anyway :x
Should have not bought it, but it was so shiny and nice I couldn't resist.
That game isn't one you can pick up and remember the fighting scheme right away. you'd die to the most basic enemy lol.
lol that was my thoughts exactly, I think I was about to hit up a pain in the *** boss anway... and I know my friend had a BIIIIIIIG issue with him... so I know I will most likely (this is a good reason I have the guide, I can instantly tell their weaknesses)
I know i'll start from the beggining anyway since I want to remember the story.
After years of build-up and waiting, Final Fantasy XIII was released to so-so reviews. The game was a disappointment. But, if at first you don't succeed, try again.
Regardless of fan bickering or indifference, the game was a monster hit for Square Enix, moving over six million copies.
The game's developer, Square Enix, is working on Final Fantasy XIII-2, a direct sequel to Final Fantasy XIII.
The number of Final Fantasy games can be confusing for non-fans. Each of the games do not follow sequential order, so when Square Enix wants to do a sequel to Final Fantasy XIII, the game does not end up being Final Fantasy XIV (which is a totally different, already released game), but Final Fantasy XIII-2.
There is a precedent for this as Square Enix released a sequel to Final Fantasy X in 2003 called Final Fantasy X-2. The sequel followed the exploits of Final Fantasy X heroine Yuna, and Final Fantasy XIII is expected to do the same.
Square Enix has only unveiled the game's logo, which showed Final Fantasy XIII heroine Lightning as well as a new, unnamed character. It is thought that this character is Lightning's rival.
Unlike Final Fantasy XIII, which caused controversy by originally only being slated for the PS3, Final Fantasy XIII-2 is penciled in for both the PS3 and the Xbox 360, right off the bat. The game won't have the wait that Final Fantasy XIII did. According to Square Enix, it will be released in 2011.
So... yeah... Wasn't a huge fan of XIII maybe they'll do this better? lol.
