Relic Weapon Or Empyrean Weapon?

YEah but it's still lol kill shots on blm using vidohunir.... not what I'd call fun times at all. I'd rather do 1.5k on a melee job than that

Don't bank on just farming your currency and having a relic. Getting GOOD PLAYERS together to do an attestation run isn't easy. Not to mention the attestation you're going for might not drop. I myself went 1/4 on my attestation. Then bank on doing at least 2 xarcabard runs to get the fragment and necropsyche. If you're looking for sheer dmg, go for the empyrean.

Can always buy the attestation/fragment/necrospyche. It's pennies compared to how full cost of a relic.

Well tbh alot of relic holders need the NM kills that drop the items needed for relic.
So kill 2 birds with 1 stone, if u do a /sh group for beau, u will get the help of relic holders that maybe dont have a shell 2 do NM's + u can hit every TE with 7-8 people tbh(giving u 3hrs time in zone) then the mini NM's well u can zerg them down in 10-15 seconds (lol 17k hp)

1. Nobody cares, get over yourself.

2. A million? Least give me a challenge.

3. Stun rox yo

4. What a coincidence, 95% of posters here are complete bandwagoning retards.

5. I don't see how spending maybe 18hours(Play time) to create a Masamune could be anything but success, but you've already proven yourself as a moron, so yeah wutevs.

Building on 3-4-5 a little bit more, there's more to playing a game than being top DPS. If you have some kind of physical or mental deficiency that says you can't enjoy yourself without being "Teh uber leet hax number 1" then I truly pity you. If the OP enjoys Samurai, why not do a Masamune to further that enjoyment? (Or Amanomurakumo, it doesn't matter really) that's why I did Caladbolg. I know DRK is like the epitome of useless of right now, and it doesn't wane my desire to play the job, simply because I enjoy it. However I have a supremely equipped Ninja, Samurai, Beastmaster, and Scholar as well, when the situation calls for it. I just enjoy playing Dark Knight the most.

And once again, you are useless.

And also

Laevateinn(90) should come in Just under the +1 Magian staves in damage depending on the result of the MAB/MDB, but you lose the super-awesome Casting time reduction on the +2's. You save a lot of space, but with Mog sack, is it really that big an issue anymore?

Vidohunir Killshots is about as painless as a sulfuric acid enema.

Intresting topic.

Or you could have just answered the question instead. Just a thought.

We all know currently Ukon is the best weapon for pure dd as it stands at level 90, but how would the other war weapon Bravura compare to say Massamune / Redemption etc ?

I'll be finishing up Bravura soon, but from what I've read/heard all relic weaponskills get a significant boost at the level 90 upgrade. I read on BG forums that the relic WS with 3.0 damage mod got a 25% dmg increase and the relic WS with 2.75 damage mod got a 35% dmg increase. I haven't checked up on it in a few weeks, but I'd love if someone could link some screenshots to verify this. My understanding is that Ukon still trumps inside of abyssea but outside relics are on par if not better.

Ukon rapes inside and outside of abyssea, just rapes by less outside of. Still better than Relic though.

The relic ws boosts rly only help a few relics. Final heaven for example, w/ the boost it can now match asuran fists! wow!

I'd thought you'd be going for both TBH Biggy..or are you planning on doing Ukon's too?

Bravura gives mini-sentinel

Nah Zor, farming to finish stage5 has occupied what little time I have to play already. Just FYI bravura's aftermath offers some survivability as well. 20.4% damage taken down if I remember correctly.

The reason i asked about Bravua was war is a mean dd machine without a relic, so i thought bravura would still be able to keep up with other emp's such as masamuna/redemption at 90, because i read on the drk forums 90 Apoc is already ahead of redemption due to apocs aftermath and the improved ws dmg.

***man are you not playing much anymore either...

To hell with growing up.

You'd use Metatron as a survival tool, not your primary means of DPS. Remember, it doesn't crit. A more accurate comparison would be RR Bravura vs Ukko's Ukon, where it's pretty obvious that Ukon crushes Bravura. It might still be ahead of any non-WoE/Empy WAR (and by extention pretty much any non-Empy non-WAR and some Empys too) just because of how powerful WAR can be, but Bravura is still behind Ukonvasara by a large margin.

Also, comparing it to the noncrit Empys? You should be looking at how it would measure up against Verethragna or Kannagi, not lolRedemption or Masamune.

I play quite a bit on weekends, but my weekdays are *** b/c I work days and play music at night. If I could go back and wasn't already so close to completing relic before ukko's fury, I prolly woulda gone for it. As it stands, I'm too damn close to finishing relic. Already have my fragment and necropsyched and stage4 complete. Just working on currency. From what I've read tiger, Metatron Torment's boost is pretty significant outside of abyssea. It already had favorable mods (60% STR). Then again, I haven't seen any parses yet so who really knows. I'm sure ukon will still ***on it dmg wise just from DoT due to aftermath. I'm praying that SE decides to give relics their due with the next update. I've put so much work into this weapon... I really hope it's worth it.

Does anyone know if Bravura, Spharai, or Mjollnir have had the lv.90 WSs boosted? We just finished up these 3 weapons a couple days ago in our LS and so far, nothing seems changed at all about Torment. They *MIGHT* have altered the fTP mods to carry over with each hit if DA'd but I dont know how to test for that. Our Spharai user refuses to try Final Heaven and the Mjollnir only does his Melee thing when he's soloing so I've got nothing on both of those ends :(

To sum it up, what Im asking is:
Was ANY Relic WS boosted at Lv.90 OTHER than Catastrophe from Apoc? Any confirmations? Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your time.

All relics got a 25% damage boost on their relic WS (not an fTP adjustment), and all mythics got a 15% boost to their WS.

yea, I guess Im just not seeing it lol. If I could get a link where some testing was done or something, I'd feel better. M.Torment was doing 1300-1600~ on average at 85 to most mobs outside of Abyssea, Finish up the trial, walk outside to Batallia downs and try it out and.. Average jumps up to roughly (and it was only like 20 mobs so I stress ROUGHLY) 1700~ that looks like the damage change from 124DMG to 133 DMG but 25%? idk. 25% of 1600 should put me closer to 2000~. So Im asking if theres been any actual testing done on this or did SE just mess with Catastrophe only for some reason? My Bravura's been doo-doo'd on by a weapon that takes 6 people a couple weeks to a month to complete anyway but Im hoping some good news might help me feel a little better lol.

Oh, and yea the Spharai (I want to name him but it'd be really rude) is a severe pessimist. I proposed the Idea that they might have fixed the WS so it'd be really good now and his response was "Even if they made it 10x better, its still ***" shoulda SS'd it.

I'll post pics of coronach in a bit if you'd like to see the difference in damage. I went outside and coronached a lvl 1 mob before and after the upgrade. Before it did 2400; after it did 3100. Base damage between the two upgrades was only 3 points of difference. My coronach does only slightly less damage than slug shot now, which I absolutely love. Overall, the upgrade was way way better than I ever expected, at least for gun.

Both.

I'm not sure I'd call that pessimism, seeing as FH really is that *** bad. Doesn't crit, mediocre mod, useless aftermath. At best it might be better than Asuran Fists now, yippee.

"I'm not sure I'd call that pessimism, seeing as FH really is that *** bad. Doesn't crit, mediocre mod, useless aftermath. At best it might be better than Asuran Fists now, yippee."


Sorry, I failed to elaborate. Hes actually that way about everything, hes always telling people not to waste their time playing their favorite jobs "DRKs dead, PLDs dead, RNG is garbage, Stop Trying" that sorta thing all day long. Very annoying really... But yea, I'd love to see more testing on the Relic WSs. Does this mean SE will boost the Relic WSs even more with the 95 and 99 Trials? Or is this a "Hey, we havent forgotten you but we'd like you to stop crying" kinda thing?

edit: Failed the Quote lol

Just hit the quote button to quote...

Why do people always do this?

To answer the OP, Relics take a very long time ; ; Masamune is crazy fast to make as well. As of now, Masamune definitely wipes the floor w/ Amano. It just comes down to what you want to do.