Capitalism and "The Green Movement" are too heavily intermixed, at least here in the USA. Between political scare tactics to advance personal agendas, and the ability to "make a quick buck" off "safe, cleaner products" we lose sight of what really matters, and why.
/nod
Edit: Your web links are always great^^ I dont know how you do it so fast =o
" But what the political implications are showing, and what "popular belief" wants you to believe, we have to do something now or we will die in the next 5 years because we are going to lose all of our ozone at that time."
Without it we are done, our children, grandchildren etc etc, you may be selfish enough to say that you don't care if they have to live underground since nothing will change in your lifetime but i'm not.
Anyway, I do think it's a stupid debate, is it really that bad or hard to personally cut down on pollutants that you use that you would rather argue it into the ground?
I dont think it is, but thats me, I do like to argue over some dumb ***too, but the way i see this one, if it really is all BS or not, at least I did some things that were good for a change, lol.
So we have to suffer because of some political ploy on a theory that could be true or could be just an Earth cycle for all we know?
Prove it to me that my grandchildren (or my nephew in this case) will have to live in caves because the earth is going to be inhabitable then, and I promise I will recycle more (after I get home, I recycle a lot here already) and not drive or drive a lot less (kindof hard, if you ever been outside of any cities, you will know how hard/far it is from town and to walk there every day).
Prove to me that recycling will improve the lifes of our next generations and I promise to do the above.
I don't see how doing something that is good for the planet as a whole = suffering, thats a very poor choice of words and quite ironic.
The earth only has so much natural resources, it's not unlimited.
The living underground thing is an example, you seem to like to throw out fictional scenarios and accusations too, I merely followed with your style of debate.
Point is this it does not hurt you, there is no 'suffering' involved and it takes nothing but a few minutes a day to do something slightly different, things which definitely won't have a negative impact on the world we live in versus doing things which could potentially be disastrous.
Edit: The point you made about driving - I am a non-driver. I ride a bike 2-3miles to work every day for the past several years so moot point to me, and no it's not because I am that hardcore about the planet, I lost my license on DUI charges, but regardless I think you might want to redefine your opinion of suffering.
As for the whole political thing is concerned I am very much a republican voter. I feel that this issue should be completely unrelated to politics though, it's selfish/lazy/arrogant to simply go about hogging up the worlds resources destroying everything beautiful about this planet and then try to attack another political party when they press an issue that is good for the environment. Frankly, the fact that it's even on the level of politics is *** disgusting and just goes to show how flawed we are. As a species, we have changed/destroyed/raped this planet more than any other and the majority seem to feel no shame what so ever in that fact.
I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.
I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.
So true T_T Oh well, at least we have a few awesome things in this world. Like cookies and FFXI.
I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.
That's the price for outsmarting our predators and advancing our medical understanding, its not our fault our brains evolved :(
I don't see how doing something that is good for the planet as a whole = suffering, thats a very poor choice of words and quite ironic.
Ok, so if living in comfort means doing something that is not "good" for the planet has been called in question, and we choose to change our ways to suit the "needs" of the planet, then thats not suffering.
But to be forced to change our ways because other people desided that they have the "correct" information about this planet then that is suffering.
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Edit: The point you made about driving - I am a non-driver. I ride a bike 2-3miles to work every day for the past several years so moot point to me, and no it's not because I am that hardcore about the planet, I lost my license on DUI charges, but regardless I think you might want to redefine your opinion of suffering.
So you live near your job. I unfortunally don't have that option back in Texas (here in Japan, I have no choice, I have to either bike for 20 minutes or walk for 40 to school) and would have to either drive for 20 minutes to school or bike for an hour and a half (in extreme heat or "extreme cold" although my version of cold is being called into question now that I'm living here). I don't have the stamina, nor the willpower to bike that long every day, and still be able to be attentive in classes (plus, thats 2 hours of lost study time or lost FFXI time on my part, like hell that will happen).
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Frankly, the fact that it's even on the level of politics is *** disgusting and just goes to show how flawed we are. As a species, we have changed/destroyed/raped this planet more than any other and the majority seem to feel no shame what so ever in that fact.
I call that post 1960s politics, where elections are won on the TV instead of on issues.
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Global warming due to CO2 emissions is complete ***. Only 3% of the Earths CO2 is produced my humans.
I do enjoy the pleasant irony in that one of Al Gores inventions(the internet) is destroying his other invention, the THEORY of man made CO2 emissions causing global warming.
At least Gore offsets his own carbon emissions (20x a normal person) by buying carbon credits from HIS OWN BUSINESS, lol.
Politics, Religion, and just Society in general are more alike than anyone cares to realize. They're filled with masses of impressionables that wait for the next revolving door messiah, with the set of 'beliefs' or idealogy that'll save us all, or atleast "protect" us.
If you honestly think that humans only produce only 3% of the Earth's CO2 emissions?
Then you got your facts all screwed up. 3% would only be what the human body emits, not what human society by large emits into the atmosphere every year. >.>
And, I love how people forget about the actual hard scientific data, that does show what CO2, and other harmful gases etc that are released into/on the Earth, are indeed doing what has been called "Global Warming".
Flip-flop all you ppl want, just goes to show how ignorant you are when you do. >.> That is unless any of you nay-sayers think you can go out to your garage, start your vehicle, wrap your mouth around it's tailpipe, and sit there for 3 hours and be just fine. Any takers? >.>
LOL...I feel sorry for global warming deniers. The idea that humans are not affecting the atmosphere at all is pathetic...um, anyone see the Great Lakes recently? Gee, the people doing all the dumping of crap into those seemingly-endless bodies of water thought the same thing...and look at them now.
In any case, it is quite simple and common sense: If humans are to survive far into the future, we MUST have a healthy environment. The constant dumping of millions of tons of pollution into the air WILL have an effect, sooner or later. What's wrong with practicing a little preventative medicine, and stopping the problem BEFORE it becomes irreversible? Oh, that's right...it might hold up some corporate profits.
To those CEO's who might lose some of their millions, I say...awww, muffin...life is HARD. Build a bridge, and get over it. 8)
Might be easier to believe in global warming if Scientists would stop changing their stories.
Be it 40 years ago everyone was saying the world was freezing, the climate gate scandal, "Oh the world is gonna get colder for 20 years then burn to a crisp" ... oh yeah all 100% common sense
Getting everyone hyped up on stupid ***just to keep them from focusing on whats really important.
If warming the planet 1 degree every 2000 years is really such a bad thing, then I'm sorry. But I won't be alive in 2000 years, so why should I honestly care? I'll recycle, but will that make you do the same? Because in order for these extreme radical proposals to work, we need everyone's involvement. Will Iran help? Hell no. So that theory is out the window.
Quite simply, we HAVE the technology to reduce the amount of carbon dioxide we are releasing into the atmosphere...but corporate *** who want their profits won't allow it. Wow, let's see...a healthy planet, or rich CEOs? Golly, guys...I guess I have to vote for the healthy planet. o,O
Mass Extinction and Global warming trends aren't new to the planet. The real debate is what impact the human race has on the current situation.
Speaking of Apocalyptic ***, did any of our Norwegian brethren catch this ***last night?
Someone divided by zero!!!!!!
Tell me that ***isn't wild, that actually happened last night, in the sky.
The official story is that it was a Russian Bulava rocket spiraling out of control and explodereding, and then the moon reflected off the swamp gas of Venus and caught a glimmer of a weather baloon.
Hell if you wanna pay more for the stuff you wanna buy, go force your beliefs on us.
If you think you're not already paying more to keep the CEOs filthy rich, you are very naive. The idea that keeping the planet healthy will cost the consumer more is a myth created by, guess who? The people who want to keep their profits pouring in at the expensive of the environment. 8(
Hell if you wanna pay more for the stuff you wanna buy, go force your beliefs on us.
If you think you're not already paying more to keep the CEOs filthy rich, you are very naive. The idea that keeping the planet healthy will cost the consumer more is a myth created by, guess who? The people who want to keep their profits pouring in at the expensive of the environment. 8(
Man they must be changing price tags while they are at it too... sneaky ***
Quite simply, we HAVE the technology to reduce the amount of carbon dioxide we are releasing into the atmosphere...but corporate *** who want their profits won't allow it. Wow, let's see...a healthy planet, or rich CEOs? Golly, guys...I guess I have to vote for the healthy planet. o,O
Yeah we have the technology.. its called.. plant more trees.
i do not accept the premise that global warming is a hoax. for it to be a hoax requires initial intent to deceive. i do think the science is based on an overreaction to naturally occurring climate and weather patterns. if you accept the findings of scientists over the last 50 years then you must also accept the findings of scientists that show we are entering a period of global cooling. this debate is purely political, and all of you should consider the repercussions against your liberty if a select few elite control the trading and selling of carbon emissions. i would like to see a little more than a glacier breaking off...which is what will happen regardless of climate since glaciers move and will eventually break by nature anyhow...before i get into a panic mode and give up my freedom to drive my car and not sweat from a hot florida summer in my home. weather patterns appear consistent in my 32 years on this planet. no catastrophic global warming hurricanes have been showing up as predicted. i need to see more before i am ok with destroying people's livelihoods and liberty for the sake of the misguided.
Hell if you wanna pay more for the stuff you wanna buy, go force your beliefs on us.
If you think you're not already paying more to keep the CEOs filthy rich, you are very naive. The idea that keeping the planet healthy will cost the consumer more is a myth created by, guess who? The people who want to keep their profits pouring in at the expensive of the environment. 8(
Man they must be changing price tags while they are at it too... sneaky ***
I don't believe its a myth that keeping the planet healthy was created by large companies. It's simply easier and cheaper to sell products that are detrimental to the earth. Do you think most of the consumers really care if a product is safe for the environment as long as it's cheap?
