Global Warming Is A Hoax.

--To the extent to which government propoganda and popular opinion claim, global warming is a hoax.

Discuss ^_^

I knew it!

Damn Democrats with their whole "Inconvient Truth" or however you spell it.

"Green jobs" should mean higher paid jobs, not "economically friendly" jobs, which is a joke on itself (for more information about my views on this, look at all my previous "humans are evil" posts on various threads)

I grew up on Long Island NY and 25 years ago it was always cold as hell during the winter. I remember it snowing as early as late September and not letting up till March.

Before I left I could say that the last 5-10 years I was there were getting warmer and warmer. The last Xmas I spent there I had the Air conditioner on.

But thats just my experience.

Global Warming = rising 1 degree every 200-300 years.

I doubt (seriously) that you are experiencing global warming at all, just had a bad run of winters the last few years.

The only reason I post this is I had an idea, and I wondered what other people thought.

They apparently started recording world temperature roughly 140yrs ago, and the world average temperature then was by all accounts 'hotter' than it is now. And in the last 140yrs humanity has burned an UNGODLY amount of fossil fuels... so it doesn't quite add up.

A different theory is that the sun is going through a new cycle of solar flares (as it has many times throughout Earth's history, resulting in Ice Ages, Heat Waves etc etc, which makes sense.

Firstly, think about how big the sun is, and how greatly even a smaller difference of distance between us and it affects the weather & climate in the various parts of the world.

Add to that the fact that one soaring solar flare extends thousands and thousands of miles out from the established surface of the sun... that's effectively closing the distance between us and the sun's matter by a significant margin. It's like a bonfire where one stick flares particularly brightly and for just a moment it feels hotter than it was.

So the next question is, why would they lie about it/exaggerate it? That's coming later, seeing what people think. ^^

Fabricated by liberals to stimulate funding for their pet projects.

To save on fossil fuels.

Like you said, we have burned an UNGODLY amount of fossil fuels, but since it isn't a renewable resource (as much as we want that is) we will run out soon.

Hence, the Global Warming idea.

Started back in the 1980s, but became a popular phrase thanks to Al Gore, who at that time (and still does to be honest) has more popularity than the ex (was current) president.

He's Super Cereal. Like Cereal Rapist Cereal.

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Edit: Somehow, his was fixed, but mine desided to crap out.

I wouldn't say liberals were the definite cause... you sound like you're a bit prejudiced =p.

@Korpg - With reference to your frequently cited definition of the human condition (i.e. Corrupt, Selfish, inherently bad) do you really think those in power would impose such a massive propaganda campaign simply to conserve the natural resources of the planet?

Global warming is an idea that has been rejected by governemtns for a long time, it's scientists that are trying to prove it's a real threat and trying to convince people to act on it.

Governements have only recently started doing things about it is because of 1. public pressure 2. they and businesses have seen ways of making money and voters out of it.

The problem is we don't understand enough about the effects of global warming and there are many other things that could be causing the current climate changes, such as the sun. That's why their is a lot of research going on atm like examining venus, investing in climate monitoring saterlites etc.

Fossil fuels do cause warming, it's why cities are hotter than the countryside because of the amount of pollution (from fossil fuels) in the atmosphere above them. The earth is entering a warming phase naturally at the moment as it has done in the past, scientists are saying that all the pollution is accelerating and worsening the process.

Of course this is just what I understand from my studies,news, science journels and such so don't take my word for it lol

I don't personally believe in Global Warming business.

It seems far too convenient that our generation just happens to be sending the earth into self destruct. Around the 1990s you wouldn't hear a single mutter of global warming, nobody would talk about it, nobody would panic about it, because nobody cared about it.

The climates on our planet have been constantly changing over many millenia, it's gone up and down like a yo yo. We've had ice ages for crying out loud, way back before we even had cars. What caused it then? Animals farting?

Of course, I'm not naiive enough to say it's not actually happening. The planet is warming up, and we probably are making it much worse with all our fossil fuels and polution, but it's all blown way out of proportion. The earth would be heating up right now anyway without our input!

Just my educated opinion, though.

I think another aspect of the governmental acceptance is the added layer of control it gives over large volumes of civilians. I guess if you push a set of criteria for the the general public to follow, after whipping them up into a state of minor anxiety regarding related subjects, they become more predictable. Thus they can exploit any loopholes and opportunities they find to a much greater extent.

Take congestion charges in London for example ¬.¬;. I believe one of the main rationales behind this was the idea of large volumes of traffic having a massive effect on the warming process. (But I may be totally wrong, and it may be partially or wholly related to economic factors regarding transport & fuel costs or something). Either way it just seemed that they found another way to levy tax on fuel >,>.

A congestion charge was recently propesed for Manchester because of traffic jams and such but people rejected it, but yeah Governments are really squeezing global warming to tax as much as possible lol

Simply to conserve the natural resources of the planet? I doubt that.

To increase wealth by making oil more valuable (i.e. increasing awareness of usage of oil = lowering the usage of oil = as crazy as it seems, increasing value of the oil because demand will not go away, but making an artifical "supply shortage" by having a lower demand would put into the mindset of a lower "supply," which is fueled (get the pun?) by the increased propaganda of "conserving oil" so the mindset of the average consumer will think there are less oil reserves now than before (hint: the propaganda will say so))

God, that was one run-on sentence. I'll break it down for you as much as possible: Idea of less oil = less "supply" = government propaganda saying there are lower fuel + same damand = artificially increasing price of oil (that plus inflation).

Still too long @.@

Take my word for it, even I get confused from time to time about all this, but its true if you really think about it. Advanced business techniques ftw.

Edit: after reading that, I didn't answer your question, so I'll do it quick.

Humans = Greedy. Greed = increase in price. Humans <3 wealth. Humans will screw you over quicker than ***.

Ours is a great nation! *sniff*

Ahh, i think the reason they used Global Warming to help push the congestion charge through the protests in London is because just the economic reasons alone didn't hold enough water to persuade people? That makes sense.


I understood every bit of it, and I agree totally^^. I'm not really a whiz at political stuff & economics, but i've an acutely analytical mind (mostly for useless stuff but c'est la vie), and I hadn't looked at it from that point of view.

Short oil supply eh? BP (British Petroleum) has profits of over $10billion... i'm sure they can find more oil fields with that b4 currnet ones dry up eh?

Korpg is right though, we even see it in FFXI, short supply = higher prices, so course these companies will say "oil fields are drying up" as if they haven't got enough money to open up another lol

Good thing on oil front is a lot of research has gone into hydrogen powered cars, in fact a few colleges here in UK have working prototypes, not popular atm but technology works.

Let's not forget the current legislation that disallows drilling for crude oil in some areas of the United States, and even in some areas off of the shores of the United States.

Since the government sells the oil? I'm a bit confused here, but i don't think my country is actually an oil company.

Sure oil may have alot of pull through lobbyists and tons of money since it's a massively wealthy industry, but to say that the government would spit out propaganda to increase oil prices so the gvnmt. can benefit seems to be a completely unconnected idea, in other words... how does the gvnmt benefit, the only thing they benefit is taxing it more.

I think your idea really makes little sense, sooo, the global warming "porpaganda" was really put out by the government as well as big oil, why would oil do that to itself? Make it common knowledge that we need alternatives to oil to help our planet? Yah, it'd be shooting themselves in the foot. And if the government is really controlled BY big oil as you imply, why would the government have had anything to do with it?

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Taxes

Taxation = The biggest solid income for any government.
The duty on cigarettes, petrol and alcohol is astronomical.

This alone is a good enough reason. They levied a fine on BABY SEATS in CARS for crying out loud. Nothing is too much/little for a bit of extra income. And yes, this would warrant as much propaganda as they could churn out.

You also didn't address my point of using global warming propaganda to increase the unease and dependance of the general populace. A society with more rules, and things to worry about and concentrate on is a society that's easier to predict and control.

Also, a reason why oil/fuel companies would put forward the notion that alternatives are needed to help the planet would be to maintain their respectability and support.

Oil Company Spokesman: "We understand that alternatives are needed, and we DO care... but it'd be ridiculous to cut production! Our whole world relies on fossil fuels, we will endeavour to our fullest to..." etc etc.

Understand that the means to a profit are meaningless to a large company as long as they obtain the profit & aren't liable in any way, lol.

i'm not sure if you're just flaming, but seems like you believe what you write about this.

Let me ask you, do you believe that global warming/greenhouse effect could happen? Are you making claims that the science is flawed? You acknowledge the fact that in the past centuries we've burned an incredible amount of fossil fuels, which do release greenhouse gases, so how can you deny the fact that this in turn will cause global warming?

Solar flares produce an insignificant amount of heat to greatly affect the earths temperature.

Using your campfire analogy, I would compare solar flares to the little sparks of burning ash that come off of the campfire.

The core layers of the sun are exponentially hotter than the outer layers or solar flares.

Right now its just a "The world is flat!" type of deal.

lol, not to come off the wrong way, but this thread reminds of how little children think they know more than adults.

Unless you have a degree in the proper scientific fields to prove or disprove global warming, your opinions are no more different than religious propaganda.

To say global warming is a science/government conspiracy is just silly because you think the "liberals" are out to get you... You're crazy.

I have nothing to say proves or disproves it, so whatever.

on that note...

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The whole global warming discussion is all speculation at best, there is no concrete scientific evidence that swings the debate either way. All we can do is establish our own educated opinions about it from what we read, see or hear in the news or what we learn through education.

To call somebody else's opinion "crazy" because it happens to be the opinion you disagree with is childish at best, and yet here you are proclaiming yourself above the rest of them as an adult.

I apologise in advance for being crazy if I want solid, concrete scientific proof that we are the one, and only, cause of global warming. Provide me with some and I'll believe, without doubt, that we are pushing our planet into self destruct mode.

Not got this proof, though, have you? Nobody does. Stop being so stuck up about something you don't even know to be fact.

I believe what I believe because of what I know and the education I've received. Doesn't make what I believe right, and I wouldn't be arrogant enough to force what I think as fact upon others. Doesn't make it wrong, either. Until there is solid proof that the human race's vast consumption of fossil fuels is the single reason for the earth's rising temperature, I'll continue to believe what I currently believe.

I'm also very sorry if this seems childish to you, you are clearly a very intelligent and important person.



Fantastic input into this discussion! /clap

I'm not flaming =/. I thought about it and i'm writing about what I thought, but have I been derogatory or overbearing in the way i've presented myself? If so I didn't intend to be! Admittedly I put forth my opinions in a self-confident way, but they're still just that, my opinions; Backed up by what I believe I know about the related sciences also. If someone has a counter-argument or facts to support another hypothesis i'm more than happy to listen, that was half the point of posting ^_^.

I in no way deny that the process of global warming exists. It's easy to forget after all of this discussion but if you refer to the OP:. I certainly believe it's there, but being overblown for other purposes.

Your point about the campfire analogy is well taken; I've just done a bit of reading, and the things I should have been referring to are sun-spots not solar flares, though apparently the flares are an effect resulting from the spots. Longer solar cycles result in bigger spots, which in turn results in more spectacular flares, but no the flares aren't the cause, you're right. There's magnetism involved too it seems. (Just read all that, thanks for encouraging my research :D).

I'd like to hazard that my original theory at least made sense from a logical perspective? ^_^;

and @ Knightmare - I'm not putting these ideas forward as definite truth. Before anyone knew anything solid about this stuff, people who didn't know very much debated and discussed and came to what was eventually a more-or-less universally accepted conclusion. You were a bit rude in the way you responded, putting words in people's mouths; the only point I mentioned liberalism was in a counter-argument. And just because I don't have degrees in the appropriate sciences doesn't mean i'm not allowed to discuss and debate; it's not like i'm arguing/debating with an authority on the subject >:o.