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Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »Id assume calad keeps pace just cause of constant odd/otd linked with torc spam. Drks on the slower end of tp gain so white dmg adds up to match the lower ws
It doesn't. White damage is like...20% of your damage, at best.
Also: Foenaria (talking St5 here) has 30% ODT, so it has similar white damage as well. So adding ~10% extra on 20% of your damage adds ~2% to your overall DPS. This isn't quite how the math maths, but either way...it's not a significant increase to your DPS.
When comparing 50% ODT to 0% ODT, sure it's not TOTALLY terrible, but comparing 30% ODT (which doesn't require an AM3 by the way) to 50% ODT, it's not going to make up for it.
it sure isn't lol |
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Considering investing in Hoxne Ampulla to try and pump better damage and make things less dicey...
Hoxne ampulla alone, with no other gear changes will buff a monks damage by 50-60%, it is actually insane how much of an increase it is for monk. It will greatly help increase your boss kill times.
The issue with G is he does a lot more aoe damage, requiring more healing, valiance helps. on top of that he will tp reset, auto attack stun and a good chance of occas amnesia from fetters. On top of that he has a hard 3min timer before he uses a one shot move.
With all that said as long as you go in knowing what to expect is no reason you cant start trying to work on him, throw him into the end of your run. Have whoever is /whm use barfira as the amnesia effect can be resisted.
And again I cannot stress enough how much of a boost hoxne ampulla is to your total dps on monk. |
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By Zeig on 2026-03-02 20:27:19 |
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »Origin is WAY BETTER than Torcleaver, in my experience. Even leaving aside the drain/aspir part, the damage is incomparable, it's very, very significantly better. That's my experience too as a Caladbolg DRK vs Foenaria DRKs in the same event with the same buffs. Origin is just better (they could have better gear/know how to gear better, but I don't think that would explain the gap in WS damage that can be easily eyeballed) |
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Id assume calad keeps pace just cause of constant odd/otd linked with torc spam. Drks on the slower end of tp gain so white dmg adds up to match the lower ws
It doesn't. White damage is like...20% of your damage, at best.
Also: Foenaria (talking St5 here) has 30% ODT, so it has similar white damage as well. So adding ~10% extra on 20% of your damage adds ~2% to your overall DPS. This isn't quite how the math maths, but either way...it's not a significant increase to your DPS.
When comparing 50% ODT to 0% ODT, sure it's not TOTALLY terrible, but comparing 30% ODT (which doesn't require an AM3 by the way) to 50% ODT, it's not going to make up for it. |
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Id assume calad keeps pace just cause of constant odd/otd linked with torc spam. Drks on the slower end of tp gain so white dmg adds up to match the lower ws
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I was considering Helheim next as an up-to-date GS option for WAR, but I am slightly disappointed to hear Caladbolg is probably stronger (for when I can use it on DRK).
Don't have Helmheim, but I do have Caladbolg and Foenaria and let me say: Origin is WAY BETTER than Torcleaver, in my experience. Even leaving aside the drain/aspir part, the damage is incomparable, it's very, very significantly better.
And I really think people sleep on the SC properties. Sure, in a lot of content you're unable to SC because there are 4-5 melee, but there's also plenty of situations where you want to or need to SC, and it makes primes absolutely ***all over things like naegling (and to a lesser, but still very real, degree: caladbolg) |
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By Aspens on 2026-03-02 19:31:11 |
But is it the weapon itself that is underwhelming, or the job behind the weapon? Or the fact that you have Naegling lurking and it can spike higher numbers? Might be a combination of all 3 IMO.
When Naegling can deal higher spike damage than a weapon you grinded months for, it takes away a LOT of the sparkle on prime weapons IMO.
Yeah I think this plus the expectations from other 2 handers. Sam/drg/drk have JA haste where war doesn't but fencer makes up for that in gaol. Just don't expect either prime to be a replacement for all your other tools, but is it worth having a tool to 3 step dark especially if war is your only DD? yeah probably but you could also switch jobs depending on what you're doing |
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There's like 2 weapons worth the S5 grind (polearm/gkt). Horn is 100% S5 worthy. But is it the weapon itself that is underwhelming, or the job behind the weapon? Or the fact that you have Naegling lurking and it can spike higher numbers? Might be a combination of all 3 IMO.
WAR was not usually the hardest WSing 2hander unless under certain circumstances (Naegling, Mighty Strikes), so it's not unusual if the damage is "just ok" comparably. SAM is great because of Overwhelm and favorable hit builds. DRG is great because of absurd WSD traits. The weapons only really shine with max buffs, before that, they're all meh. When Naegling can deal higher spike damage than a weapon you grinded months for, it takes away a LOT of the sparkle on prime weapons IMO. That's not only the case with some of the 2h weapons, doubly so on the 1h (i.e. katana is facepalmworthy terrible compared to Naegling Savage Blade). The coolest part of prime weapons is the fun SC properties on them.
I was considering Helheim next as an up-to-date GS option for WAR, but I am slightly disappointed to hear Caladbolg is probably stronger (for when I can use it on DRK).
That’s not true about the katana, it is perfectly fine. There’s a lot of people who can’t play the job. I’ve used it vs the GK and polearm, it always parses very close to both of them. Katana will be normally 7-10% under both the top primes. With enough pdl in the ws, it can do close to warrior laphria/helheim at 3k tp. Warrior only has the 10% boii legs vs the 27% from mpaca legs,neck, ear+2. |
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Of all the primes only the Horn and Shield are significantly impactful. Out of all the weapons the Pole Arm changes the job the most due DRG not having a really powerful fTP scaling WS to use. Everything else is just flavor and preference as most every job already has access to some sort of TP scaling single hit WS.
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Cheers for sharing this alternate method. Always great to see different strategies!
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gotta find out the stat modifier on Uriel Blade
MAB
(str/mnd) oh, I forgot about the Campaign: Uriel Blade sword
I was mostly memeing but also okay MND TANK IT IS |
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I've witnessed a wall of rain moving once where you could clearly tell one side nice and dry and 2 feet further it was pouring. So technically I guess it could be rainy on their half of the street while it's not on yours.
Don't worry too much, I doubt data scientists are expected to be great at small talk.
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People "fresh out of college" normally arent any better than that.
It could be worse if you had asked after the technical interview what that firm does for work.
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It's alright for /sam situations and when you want to SC but naegling does enough work that I would probably not remake a war weapon unless points were burning a hole in my pocket
That is how I feel with WAR as well. War was my original main. I feel bad that I've not gotten a prime weapon for it. I'm glad it will have a Hellheim in its arsenal! |
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Chiming in to thank all the people sharing info and suggestions, it is encouraging me to try and push more legitimately trying Sortie beyond slim pickings objectives. My friend and I currently just manual dualbox duo (usually me MNK + BRD and him COR + GEO usually), though trying to rope a RDM friend into playing regularly with us again.
Right now only bosses we've tried and cleared are A, C, and E. I've mostly held off trying other bosses just out of fear of not being able to do it since we don't have a real person along healing us. If we can manage to kill E boss with like 20-30 seconds left on Valliance (I've been going /RUN since starting E kills), think it's feasible to get down the remaining top floor bosses in a timely manner and maybe also G? Considering investing in Hoxne Ampulla to try and pump better damage and make things less dicey...
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I will have to get time to play again, but I expect this will let me use the menus to play again
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By Aspens on 2026-03-02 14:36:39 |
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I was pretty underwhelmed finishing helheim. Not like the excitement of kusa on sam or gae buide on drg. It's alright for /sam situations and when you want to SC but naegling does enough work that I would probably not remake a war weapon unless points were burning a hole in my pocket
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By Dekar1 on 2026-03-02 14:30:06 |
Don't take Advil daily. It's bad for your internal organs if taken too often!
And a lesser known fact is that it's also bad for your ligaments. Particularly your shoulder joints. But yeah, prolonged use causes your ligaments to wear down more quickly.
That's fair. Whatever pain killer that won't kill you early.** |
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Yes, soloing sheol is annoying.
Next week you'll be able to add 1 vit to the trusts though so it'll be great!
Unkillable Valaineral with +1 VIT, champion
...or should it be +1 MND for stonker cures. Gonna have to make a whole guide on optimal stat usage. gotta find out the stat modifier on Uriel Blade |
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By NynJa on 2026-03-02 14:24:07 |
Yes, soloing sheol is annoying.
Hehehehehehehehehehheheheehhehehehehehehehe
IYKYK |
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I've been on the fence with these two weapons also. 5 stage 4 primes deep, 1 stage 5 and still don't want both simply because they do look so alike. I will pull the trigger on Hellheim due to the fact that i've always wanted a torcleaver for WAR type weapon.
Thanks to thread input!
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Don't take Advil daily. It's bad for your internal organs if taken too often!
And a lesser known fact is that it's also bad for your ligaments. Particularly your shoulder joints. But yeah, prolonged use causes your ligaments to wear down more quickly.
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By Dekar1 on 2026-03-02 13:58:59 |
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If you're playing FFXI then there's a pretty good chance you take Advil daily.
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This is gonna be annoying to solo like I did with A >_>
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By Dathus on 2026-03-02 13:30:05 |
Back when we did 8 boss, melee strat we used to kite F after fetters. I think we are going to try that with the MNK strat.
DNC/DRK
MNK/DRG
DNC opens with a huge climatic SC, once finished he runs away. MNK hops on and kills Gartell. Jumps to reduce hate. DNC can stun for additional enmity. Not ideal for boxers but we have 4-5 humans most every night.
We really like our kill order since it lines up the minis perfectly (DH,CBA,FGE,Aminon) so going to try this tonight. I'll say we just straight fought it with the WHM spamming Curaga 3-4, never ran out of MP and no one came close to dying, and hate was still SOLIDLY on the MNK even with the debuffs. It was kinda nice to not have to care about enmity as a healer. |
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I intend to buy hoxne ampulla
20M drop today, down to 150M, 8 in stock. Gonna be sub 100M by March
Less than a month and went down by almost half. I was correct, but it hit 80M faster than I expected. Seems it's going to stay in the ~80M range (Orpheus's tanked). |
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By Taint on 2026-03-02 12:01:04 |
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Back when we did 8 boss, melee strat we used to kite F after fetters. I think we are going to try that with the MNK strat.
DNC/DRK
MNK/DRG
DNC opens with a huge climatic SC, once finished he runs away. MNK hops on and kills Gartell. Jumps to reduce hate. DNC can stun for additional enmity. Not ideal for boxers but we have 4-5 humans most every night.
We really like our kill order since it lines up the minis perfectly (DH,CBA,FGE,Aminon) so going to try this tonight.
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By Dodik on 2026-03-02 11:00:28 |
Agon mobs in Sheol B cannot be slept
Correct. Only A Agon can be slept. |
