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By Karppa on 2026-03-09 22:26:54
Asura.Clintbeastwood said: »
Asura.Lythandies said: »
He gets +1/+1 per LS in"Is it seriously this *** stupid to even argue here over some completely marginal ***like whose *** is bigger or whose book balance has gone down? If I use this weapon/tool then we’re literally in nirvana, are you for real? This is just a game, nobody actually gives a *** as long as the job gets done."

his inventory.

*** CHOKED lmao
By Karppa on 2026-03-09 22:20:47
Asura.Clintbeastwood said: »
Asura.Lythandies said: »
He gets +1/+1 per LS in his inventory.

*** CHOKED lmao

Clint *** XD
By Xilk on 2026-03-09 21:00:58
Fickblix FTW
By Raytheon on 2026-03-09 20:46:15
Asura.Lythandies said: »
He gets +1/+1 per LS in his inventory.

*** CHOKED lmao
By Crowlina on 2026-03-09 20:40:00
TIL the hit rate cap is not 95% for everything! Ty Nynja for teaching me something about a game I've played on and off for my entire adult life.
By Anza on 2026-03-09 20:16:42
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »
This isn't a thread about BRD, so I didn't list the fights where it can't be used.

It's ridiculous because you listed a bunch of Gaol fights that are explicitly designed to have fairly specific and unusual job combinations, like Arebati, Ongo, or Ngai. Basically every DD is going to have several T3 Gaol fights where they aren't very useful (barring maybe WAR due to its design as being a master of so many weapon types).

But if the only examples of events you could throw out there that are not so NIN-friendly are Gaol T3/T4 and 9boss Sortie, hey, I think that kind of reinforces the point that NIN isn't really in that bad of a position overall since NIN can make some reasonable contribution in the majority of current content.

Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
I mean, come on guys. Don't do this every spring, it's getting old.

Ninja can be used every single place a standard DD can be used.

Should just sticky Buukki's whole post. Well said.
By Sylvebits on 2026-03-09 20:06:35
If they are, I had to go into the gearswap lua and make an edit to not have it interfere. Otherwise both communicate well together.
By Shichishito on 2026-03-09 19:22:30
The only thing hit rate cap respects is gil.
By Karppa on 2026-03-09 19:20:39
Asura.Lythandies said: »
Asura.Karppa said: »

Hi guys

He gets +1/+1 per LS in his inventory.
<3
By Lythturia on 2026-03-09 19:15:20
Asura.Karppa said: »

Hi guys

He gets +1/+1 per LS in his inventory.
By Madotsuki on 2026-03-09 18:55:54
Bismarck.Sterk said: »
I don't give a *** what rings my party members chose as long as it isn't Ragelise.
I know its off the current topic but you really would think they would've given that ring something unique... even Adoulin's DT-% Vocane Ring had the rather rare "reduces distance knockback" stat, so while it was still kind of underwhelming it at least had something!
By Atrox78 on 2026-03-09 18:36:30
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Also
respectively
who gives a ***about WSACC??

Unless you're using a multihit WS, in which case you shouldnt be using Cornelia's anyways, the first hit of a WS has a +100 accuracy boost. I dont believe theres any gear that will require you to neuter your accuracy to pump up your STR/TPBonus/WSD/PDL to make WSACC matter.

For those who may be confused: I'm not saying accuracy isnt important, I'm saying if you're concerned about the WSACC on Cornelia's Ring, you're likely not hitting accuracy cap while TPing.
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Also
respectively
who gives a ***about WSACC??

Unless you're using a multihit WS, in which case you shouldnt be using Cornelia's anyways, the first hit of a WS has a +100 accuracy boost. I dont believe theres any gear that will require you to neuter your accuracy to pump up your STR/TPBonus/WSD/PDL to make WSACC matter.

For those who may be confused: I'm not saying accuracy isnt important, I'm saying if you're concerned about the WSACC on Cornelia's Ring, you're likely not hitting accuracy cap while TPing.

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By Raytheon on 2026-03-09 18:33:43
By phot0nic on 2026-03-09 18:24:57
Wow damn, this blew up, lol. I think it should be clear to everyone reading here that Vyre has already decided that he wants the Ephramad's Ring to be a "better" ring than Cornelia's so he's grasping at a series of straws in an effort to convince himself and others that it is, despite reality. I read through the responses, and no, Ephramad's is not a good TP ring, nothing that has been posted here presents a compelling case. It is, however, a fantastic WS ring assuming a conditional set of circumstances is met. The "better" ring depends on a variety of variables, and I'd implore anyone still looking to make the choice to run some calculations and simulations based on their own personal gameplay instead of relying on the numerous hand-wavy, qualitative arguments being made in this thread that are largely based more on feelings (and fundamental misunderstandings of PDL) than fact.

But look, I have long subscribed to the "this is a game, so you should play the way you enjoy, even if it's not optimal" philosophy. If you are so concerned that Sylvie might use a precision bubble that you're willing to forgo all multi-attack and Store TP in your ring slot to prevent that, then go for it. You do you, I don't pay your sub.

It's not worth my time to try to convince Vyre or anyone else whose mind is already stubbornly made up. I'm simply posting information for people who come to this thread looking for advice because they don't know which to choose. The first page and a half of this thread is a bunch of people cheerleading Ephramad's Ring and downplaying Cornelia's Ring, so I felt it would benefit the community to help right the ship so that no one reading walks away with the erroneous belief that Ephramad's Ring is "better".
By Llewelyn on 2026-03-09 18:04:29
I don't give a *** what rings my party members chose as long as it isn't Ragelise.
By palladin9479 on 2026-03-09 17:58:04
Shichishito said: »
I mean there has to be a weak point to RDM because I've got called out for calling it OP in the past. One argument typically is RDM has lackluster ATT options so it deserves to be OP on other fronts.

Now I'm getting briefed that RDM is close or on par with BLU in the ATT department, so which is it?

Yes RDM's attack sucks, the same as BRD, COR, GEO and other support class's. NIN, DNC and THF at least have DW built in so they can go /WAR and keep the TP Bonus off hand. People are just being economical with the truth to "win" an internet argument.
By Llewelyn on 2026-03-09 17:53:50
We only try to get E metal. We'll kill FGH NMs if they're in convenient positions, but moreso for the ~500 galli each rather than the metal.
By . on 2026-03-09 17:39:42
mhomho said: »
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By Shichishito on 2026-03-09 17:21:30
I mean there has to be a weak point to RDM because I've got called out for calling it OP in the past. One argument typically is RDM has lackluster ATT options so it deserves to be OP on other fronts.

Now I'm getting briefed that RDM is close or on par with BLU in the ATT department, so which is it?
By Veydal1 on 2026-03-09 17:17:14
That's going to depend on kill speed. You can survive Clobbering Wave with only a couple poison stacks. But if the fight drags, you accumulate too many stacks and it's not viable. In that case you can have the person with hate run out of range (I think over 15 yalms is safe, but don't quote me on that) while the rest finish it off. You can also have the main DD / person that is holding Dhartok's attention stand on one side and the rest stand behind. You can avoid some TP moves / splash AoE auto-attacks this way.

That being said - I would 100% suggest grabbing metal from Botulus. Especially while you're learning the ropes. Once comfortable, you can really speed up the time it takes to kill Botulus and save yourself the headache from poison.
By Jakey on 2026-03-09 17:08:54
Don't forget K-club has lots of great lockstyle options you can have fun animations or an assortment of funny sounds when you use it.
By Dexprozius on 2026-03-09 17:07:20
Shichishito said: »
syllreve said: »
BLU is typically using Tizona, and RDM naegling; so while they will get that +20% from triumphant roar Nature's Mediation, RDM would get a comparable atk% boost from naegling's passive so it's not so wide a difference on that front.


Ah yes, the classic "Why use Tizona, I have Tizona at home"
By Shichishito on 2026-03-09 17:05:32
syllreve said: »
BLU is typically using Tizona, and RDM naegling; so while they will get that +20% from triumphant roar Nature's Mediation, RDM would get a comparable atk% boost from naegling's passive so it's not so wide a difference on that front.
By Vyrerus on 2026-03-09 16:54:42
Asura.Melliny said: »
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They're not an after thought for me. The point of the discussion is the rings in total, and trying to hammer it down to just WS sets onry is disingenuousness at its finest.


The discussion is primarily focused on the benefits of ephramaud's PDL versus cornelia's 10 WSD. The 7 accuracy difference between the two rings is not a highlight of the discussion here. Especially with the mention that the first hit of all weaponskills receives a 100 accuracy bonus. It was already mentioned that ephramaud's is a weaponskill ring just as much as cornelia's ring is. You're probably better off wearing a tp gain ring for the tp phase.

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1. What content is that? I know Gaol requirements are fairly low, even at V25, but stuff like Sortie Basement or Dyna D Wave 3 require those higher values + accuracy buffs, even evasion debuffs.

And you just proved my point. If you're farming trash mobs in limbus or segment farming you're probably capped on accuracy. If you're fighting F and H basement bosses or wave 3 dyna NMs you need the madrigal. That's exactly what I said. The accuracy breakpoints are either low enough to cap naturally or so high you need to adjust your support buffs to accomodate. There is almost no in between. Seg farm and limbus is category 1, while basement bosses and wave 3 nms are category 2. We're talking 7 accuracy here. It exists yes. But it's not the reason you would choose one ring over the other. There is no world where you switch from one ring to the other because of "accuracy issues". You know this just as well as I do.
It was mentioned and I disagreed. I still do. Taking the stance that my disagreement is invalid is your prerogative I guess, but all you're really doing is slanting the field in favor of Cornelia's on a whim because you don't see value in Ephramad's in TP set. White damage exists and has value. Accuracy in TP also has value. You can constantly see tons of players TP sets featuring un-RP'd TP set pieces, their TP sets in accuracy deficit from lack of progression.

And see, you did a very manipulative persuasion tactic here. You first discounted the argument I made, as if you are an authority. You are not. Reality does not disappear because you will it. Ephramad's has merit in TP sets, so it is also competing for accuracy vs. other accuracy options in TP sets too. What I was driving at, when I, "proved your point" was that there are situations where you do not have capped accuracy and you want more of it. Your buffs and debuffs are not guaranteed, note that this is the same argument that you and others are making against PDL. Having more accuracy serves you in the right situations. In WS set with player driven buffs, sure, that 7acc isn't make or break, but it is still part of the discussion, since you know, so many people were quick to chest thump that Cornelia's had the same accuracy. There is a difference in having enough accuracy for it to not matter and not having the same value. And, also, at very high levels a lot of the DD jobs have self accuracy buffs and food to fall back on, and the Madrigal is actually mostly needed for the supports and Naegling users who are using it with an E or D in Sword skill, the TP bonus offhands, and the Kraken Clubs.
By Madotsuki on 2026-03-09 16:52:32
Happy to share we've advanced to ABC + EG :) Looking to try F next, then after that D+H. I know folks say they usually skip poison & haunt metals, but do you also skip any other metals or are they pretty crucial (they seem to be at least)?

Also, for E so far I've just been rawdogging not bothering to move the boss out of the miasma cloud since we were getting metals for removable poison. Without metal do you guys bother to move out or just keep focusing on killing?
By . on 2026-03-09 16:43:32
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By syllreve on 2026-03-09 16:38:54
Asura.Saevel said: »
Asura.Dexprozius said: »
The PDL on it is doing absolutely nothing, sure... but the ring itself isnt doing "Absolutely Nothing".
In the context of the discussion, that ring slot is frequently taken by regal ring.

The difference between Regal and Ephramad's is the 10 PDL, which is why the discussion revolves around that.

Regal Ring isn't all jobs equippable.


Shichishito said: »

I'd also argue that most party compositions have access to Dia II. In reality it's usually 5% def down and +55 ATT (RDM) vs 20-25% def down and +20% ATT (BLU). Not to mention that BLU could drop /DRG for /WAR without losing dual wield to add Berserk and Warcry.
BLU is typically using Tizona, and RDM naegling; so while they will get that +20% from triumphant roar, RDM would get a comparable atk% boost from naegling's passive so it's not so wide a difference on that front.


Asura.Melliny said: »

The discussion is primarily focused on the benefits of ephramaud's PDL versus cornelia's 10 WSD. The 7 accuracy difference between the two rings is not a highlight of the discussion here. Especially with the mention that the first hit of all weaponskills receives a 100 accuracy bonus. It was already mentioned that ephramaud's is a weaponskill ring just as much as cornelia's ring is. You're probably better off wearing a tp gain ring for the tp phase.
That's sort of the point; if the benefits of 10 wsd vs 10 pdl are warranting this much discussion, then looking for secondary benefits matter as a discussion point that may sway your decision one way or the other.

Cornelia's only ever has value during WS, while Ephramad's is valuable for WS and also has the highest Acc of any ring in the game, providing value where Cornelia's has none, especially for jobs that are acc starved, or are excluded from better gear, or both.


Asura.Melliny said: »
And you just proved my point. If you're farming trash mobs in limbus or segment farming you're probably capped on accuracy. If you're fighting F and H basement bosses or wave 3 dyna NMs you need the madrigal. That's exactly what I said.
His point was you need Madrigal/Distract, AND to put more acc in to your TP set, not one or the other.
By Asura.Vyre on 2026-03-09 16:17:39
Pokemon anniversary is past, and as much as I love Typhlosion, I'm not gonna do year round Pokemon.
By . on 2026-03-09 16:13:04
Vyre-kun changes his avatar pic too often.
By Raytheon on 2026-03-09 16:07:03
Asura.Melliny said: »
Looks like just another case of our localization team doing its finest work. How you manage to get 10 out of 20 though is beyond me.

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No DRG for party, camp spot site with 30 dmg, but is it for 20 like 30 dmg when you no hit be it for dd, for 30 dmg instead? or half is 10 for 20 dmg?

Oh wait, never mind. They must be using AI to do all the translation work now. That's how you get 10 from 20. (it's probably more likely than you think)


God I miss the Allakhazam forum days lol
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