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PLD is the puller and the killer with infinite tp

I could pull 50 or the entire zone (Hippomenes Socks +1 swap if I wanted to be cute), but what matters is the chain. So pulling the entire zone is less EP overall because of the time it takes to pull. You will lose chain by the time the next group comes in if you pull full zone. With BRD, you pull one side, 20-30 mobs or whatever, run to camp, lullaby, on route to next 20-30 mobs, repeat. By the time group 2 is killed, group 1 re-spawns. That was a way more efficient way to do it, and PLD is a wasted slot if you're using it as a puller.

i liked Crawlers' Nest (S) before they changed it
Could probably get M.Lv 50 there with AOE setups

Even though that was a good camp
I had a feeling it wasn't going to last

Got lots of /tell saying they were going to report
For pulling most of the zones mobs / hording mobs

I mean. It's impossible to do. You can never sate that kind of desire.

Solution id think would have been to make more aoe camps imo

I have been previously informed by people here that some players give RMT their account information the RMT logs them in to farm galli.

So, you can buy primes.

Thats easy when you can bring samurai to everything. Or it's your only job. Just perks of the job is all really. It's not the same situation or pride for someone whose main is BLM, who WILL need to grind EP to get comparably that high

Gross.... *** cesspool of a server. No wonder 99% of the people I meet who have transferred from there are useless.

Its not so much the job sam I'm proud about its the way I've gotten my ep. I'm aware sams stupid good at killing ep mobs, I still very rarely ever ep and only with a full party. 95% of my ep has come from playing the job in actual content. Thats the thing I value.

Dropped all that muscle and was still huge af. But I hear he was good in it.

Oscar worthy though?

Says who? Asura shouts every single day (I have them blocked, but ffxiah shows them) for "40k Sortie Gallimaufry" runs. You absolutely can buy a Prime, or at least the Gallimaufry part. Wouldn't be surprised if groups sell Mesos too.

Explain to me how 8-bossing an entire Stage 5 is better than grinding ML50, both beginning to end. I'm curious to hear this one. (in fact, you cannot solely "8-boss" a 5, because you require Aminon for Mesosiderites, unless you include Aminon in some runs instead of the other 8 bosses)

Not being able to bot or buy primes is definitely a bonus in my eyes. They would mean very little imo if they could be botted or bought. Currently the only ultimate weapon in the game that cant be bought or botted as far as I'm aware. That's worth something imo.

I thought master levels where meantto he some extra grindy thing that would take a long time. I'm pretty proud of being a 46 fam without any botting and very little exp farms. Almost all done in content.

If you do 9 bosses runs, perfectly reasonable.
If you do 8 bosses runs, way too grindy but still much better than ML50, imho.
With the "little" difference that you can merc buy or bot ML whereas you, reasonably, cannot do that with Primes lol xD

Personally I treat ml 50 as an identifer the persin probably bots and probably is actually terrible at player said jobs. I've rarely been proven wrong. Thats a huge bonus in filtering out shitty players.

Did you see all the muscle he dropped???

crab batons! they are redoing all the special armor/weapons with recolors. I hope we get that cool pen and camera

Agree with everything you said. On Primes:

Yes, I do personally. I know some do it and you could argue the reward for your time is better with primes depending on the weapon, but I've long felt the S5 requirements to be excessive and dumb. People do it, fine, but I see it in the same category as ML50 that it's so far out of reach that players don't see the carrot and it's bad for retention for the same reasons. Neither are strictly necessary but I'd rather they be obtainable, but like you said, obtainable is relative. The game has always had out of reach things (Relics/mythics during 75-cap for instance) but IMO that was, still is, bad game design and doesn't do much to keep players around.

OTOH, Bumba aside, I see r30 in Odyssey as an obtainable goal. You get a good party, you work your clears up, and you get the clear, then you can earn RP with some flexibility in time and who participates. I am not saying it's flawless but compared to Primes and >ML40 - it's more reasonable.


It's just not as rewarding, the rewards to time isn't as big, even considering the other factors. IIRC MLs were intended to work alongside v20/v25 updates (and maybe a few master trials??) per their wording, yet you don't need MLs for those things and the overall stat reward is low.

I guess this all leads to ask - what would make ML50 worthwhile to the playerbase if the current exp numbers stay the same?

In before SE adds a neck to the game with 350 HP, 100 MP, +50 to all Stats and +50 to all native combat/magic skills*

* must be ML50/su6 to equip it.

On colada?

There was a pic of FC +8 earlier in the thread but it's gone now.

Akshually. As an Asuran, I have to correct you. You need ML 60 just to be able turn your (!) LFP flag on. It's hard coded into the server.

Not sure I follow the comparison. An HQ1 neck character to R20 for 2-4M and ML30 for 30M, vs a +2 neck ML0 player, the former is the better investment, just from a stats perspective.

If ML50 gave you a glowing Crown/halo unique lockstyle or Golden Shiny aura around your character, people would care about ML50. That way they can sit in town and show off to everyone their achievement*