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By Atrox78 on 2025-05-18 17:10:40
At the end of the day, I always use expiacion at 1750 tp with tp bonus sword and using it at 2k with Flametongue is more damage. It's a good off hand or even main hand. I'm happy with my pick and like the additional acc and little proc. For those who are curious or on the fence, it's a good sword. It's not game breaking, maybe not the best in a simulator but not bad and you won't be disappointed if you pick it.
By SimonSes on 2025-05-18 17:09:26
Just checked sim for BLU with Naegling and Flametongue both using Savage in capped attack scenario. They have pretty much identical DPS and WS damage, but sim doesn't count that additional effect fire damage, so Flametongue would be slightly ahead because of that.
By Meeble on 2025-05-18 17:07:16
Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
It does sound to me more like "upgrading AF and Relic to +3 more easily" than "upgrading relic and AF to +4"

Mentioning FFXIV players seems like they may have changed their plan.

The context you're missing is that during the Limbus rework announcement they specifically mentioned that AF and Relic needed to be "made stronger". I don't know that they've ever given specific details about how that will work or if that will even involve new Limbus at all, but it isn't pure speculation.

November 2024 livestream, around the 1 hour and 40 minute mark.
By Vyrerus on 2025-05-18 17:06:58
By Godfry on 2025-05-18 17:02:53
SimonSes said: »
I'm not sure if you are really thinking this through. The only thing that makes Savage stronger on Naegling specifically in capped attack scenario is 15% bonus to Savage damage.

Flametongue has +10% str wsc, 5%pdl, 21 higher base damage and +30 STR. I can easily see Flametongue Savage beating Naegling Savage if you cap attack with both (which is obviously harder with Flametongue, but perfectly possible in high buff scenario).

When you summon SimonSes and he starts attacking you instead of the enemy.

By K123 on 2025-05-18 16:58:30
Anyone have or have seen a Colada with more than +4% enhancing magic duration?
I feel like I have seen one with +6% (same cap as Gada) before but I suppose that could be from DM anyway. Wiki thinks cap could be +4 on Fern.
By SimonSes on 2025-05-18 16:56:42
Godfry said: »
Asura.Saevel said: »
Godfry said: »
The only slashing damage capable of outparsing Naegling duhuh Savage Blade is REMA with skillchains (in situations where you can SC). I'm making Laphria just so I can have a slashing damage that's equivalent to Naegling. They still come close if you aren't SCing with Laphria.

WAR/NIN Onion + Ikenga was doing very silly numbers at a very high rate of speed, it's guaranteed +2 hits per WS. Do not underestimate the power of +PDL from a few pieces of Sakpata.

RDM/NIN Onion + Thibron was also able to get silly numbers but was extremely random. Similar +2 MA per WS average, but due to relying on a combo of TA/DA it would vary anywhere between 3 to 7 hits. The downside is that the second MA roll use's the offhand base DMG of Thibron, not as powerful as the main hand MA roll. RDM has a much harder time getting +PDL.

Yeah, these are the takes that make sense. Also, how FB+SB = light when you can. Have a job with Onion open to a strong Naegling SB to make a strong light.

Just pretending that Bonanza weapon are going to outparse Naegling is stupid. The WS wall was created around Naegling. That's how strong this silly weapon is.

Also, what people don't like to take into account is how low-effort high damage Naegling is. You don't even need to create outstanding scenarios for it to do good damage.

I'm just glad to hear Laphria can actually outparse it so I'd never have to equip this BS weapon on my war again.

I'm not sure if you are really thinking this through. The only thing that makes Savage stronger on Naegling specifically in capped attack scenario is 15% bonus to Savage damage.

Flametongue has +10% str wsc, 5%pdl, 21 higher base damage and +30 STR. I can easily see Flametongue Savage beating Naegling Savage if you cap attack with both (which is obviously harder with Flametongue, but perfectly possible in high buff scenario).
By Sylvebits on 2025-05-18 16:51:09
There's no way SE isn't reading these chats without plans to add more chaos <3
By Godfry on 2025-05-18 16:49:39
SimonSes said: »
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Bruh
You said "just above 1000TP". Dont change the definition of "just above" to mean "3/4ths of the way to 2000TP" to protect the local RMT because I've made it a habit of dunking on stupid people like him.

This obviously matters for a WS like Savage where the TP gains between 1k and 2k are significantly higher than the TP gains between 2k and 3k, and you have more to gain by doing a handful more SB's in the 1000-1250 range rather than 1500-1750 range.

Bruh I don't defend anyone or changing definition of anything. Just above 1000tp is the target TP you want to WS at, but it's pretty obvious, that you can't control going even past 1500 occasionally if you 2x triple attack while being at 900TP. So every time you say you check Sim at 2000tp for example, it means you wait for at least 2000tp, because you can't guarantee not going way past that, unless you have no multi attack at all and some xhit build that puts you at exactly 2000.

Every time SimonSes posts...

By Jakey on 2025-05-18 16:42:30
Ya Premium Heart looked like a fun toy but counter is capped at 80% (less due to acc but lets keep math easy, there's also perfect counter and stuff)
So when fighting something you can counter you are taking ~1 hit for every 4 you counter so each hit you take would go with 4 seconds off chakra timer on average.
Chakra has 180 second timer (150 with merits) basically I don't see the scenario where you actually need a shorter chakra cool down but you aren't dead by the time you get there. Maybe something with annoying debuffs but which hits really weak?
Also would have liked to see counter on the weapon. Capping counter more easily without counterstance would make it more viable.
By SimonSes on 2025-05-18 16:37:31
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Bruh
You said "just above 1000TP". Dont change the definition of "just above" to mean "3/4ths of the way to 2000TP" to protect the local RMT because I've made it a habit of dunking on stupid people like him.

This obviously matters for a WS like Savage where the TP gains between 1k and 2k are significantly higher than the TP gains between 2k and 3k, and you have more to gain by doing a handful more SB's in the 1000-1250 range rather than 1500-1750 range.

Bruh I don't defend anyone or changing definition of anything. Just above 1000tp is the target TP you want to WS at, but it's pretty obvious, that you can't control going even past 1500 occasionally if you 2x triple attack while being at 900TP. So every time you say you check Sim at 2000tp for example, it means you wait for at least 2000tp, because you can't guarantee not going way past that, unless you have no multi attack at all and some xhit build that puts you at exactly 2000.
By twinsevens on 2025-05-18 15:54:45
Any chance you could feel out how WAR/DRG does with Onion and blurred? Not counting on it beating out Naegling, but would love to know how the SB/FB2 light sc holds up over time against Naegling SB spam!
By . on 2025-05-18 15:49:22
if we're offering site suggestions, mine would be remove the shout box. people still like to check out other players and linkshells, but the shouts are largely gibberish and not very useful.
By K123 on 2025-05-18 15:44:30
Wonder if it is one zone for AF and other for Relic armor.
By on 2025-05-18 15:44:11
By Falkirk on 2025-05-18 15:35:16
Asura.Sechs said: »
It doesn't increase buffs, it increases the duration of non-SP JAs.
Wonder what happens to JAs that give a buff do the pet though. Like Spur or Run Wild.
Would it increase the duration of these? Spur... possibly. Run Wild I doubt because the pet dies... but maybe it can die 1.25% later lol
Quetzalcoatl.Falkirk said: »
Xilkk tested Pet Buffs (Spur, Zealous Snort, etc)
By palladin9479 on 2025-05-18 15:26:37
Fenrir.Skarwind said: »
Red Mage can really exploit this Weaponskill with Temper II/Dual Wield. There will be damage spikes on occasion where Fast Blade caps out at 8 hits due to Dual Wield and Multi Attack.

Made Onion Sword III and it's been very strong, though I'm having to build a new gear set for it from my CDC set. So far I've been able to get an average of +2 MA procs per WS, but it's super random. 3 Hits for no MA procs, 7 for double TA's. 40% chance to have TA, 23.4% to have DA, 36.6% chance to have nothing, and you get two rolls per WS. 13.3% of time you get a WS with no MA procs, 16% with two TA procs, the other 70,7% is a mix of procs. Half the procs on are with the Thibron hand which is underpowered, so not as powerful as main hand.

I'm actually thinking of using a different offhand like Gleti but then waiting longer? Not sure if that's the best or not.
By ilugmat on 2025-05-18 15:22:46
I like they are starting to use monsters form other expansions in content it seems, I really dislike the old way of sticking monsters from the places purely due to lore. Sortie monster selection sucks for instance.
By on 2025-05-18 15:13:57
By palladin9479 on 2025-05-18 15:11:31
Godfry said: »
The only slashing damage capable of outparsing Naegling duhuh Savage Blade is REMA with skillchains (in situations where you can SC). I'm making Laphria just so I can have a slashing damage that's equivalent to Naegling. They still come close if you aren't SCing with Laphria.

WAR/NIN Onion + Ikenga was doing very silly numbers at a very high rate of speed, it's guaranteed +2 hits per WS. Do not underestimate the power of +PDL from a few pieces of Sakpata.

RDM/NIN Onion + Thibron was also able to get silly numbers but was extremely random. Similar +2 MA per WS average, but due to relying on a combo of TA/DA it would vary anywhere between 3 to 7 hits. The downside is that the second MA roll use's the offhand base DMG of Thibron, not as powerful as the main hand MA roll. RDM has a much harder time getting +PDL.
By palladin9479 on 2025-05-18 15:06:15
Asura.Vyre said: »
Naegling's atk bonus still doesn't win on WS there either, pal. It doesn't extend atk beyond capped attack, so it doesn't matter. You silly billy.

Depends on the job, the jobs that rely on Naegling the most are the ones that have the hardest time with attack. COR's, BRD's and RDM's aren't exactly swimming in large attack bonus JT/JA's.
By Felgarr on 2025-05-18 15:00:59
Jesus christ.

Why don't we just add FFXIAH achievement points so we can really get a feel for who HATES new content more?

I'll even get started on updating the new logo. It's a rough draft:

By palladin9479 on 2025-05-18 14:59:39
Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
It does sound to me more like "upgrading AF and Relic to +3 more easily" than "upgrading relic and AF to +4"

Mentioning FFXIV players seems like they may have changed their plan.

I don't think we'll get a +4, but instead some sort of RP system or augments. Would explain why they made +2/+3 easier to upgrade.
By Tetsouou on 2025-05-18 14:57:58
Update – May 2025

I’ve updated the original post with a fresh release.

The DAT and PNG versions now fully match — there are no longer inconsistencies between the two formats.

There’s still a lot of work left to do on many icons, but the pack is already fully usable in its current state.
It covers all the most commonly seen buffs: BRD songs, COR rolls, and general party effects.

Feel free to give it a try and let me know if anything feels off or unclear!
By Akumasama on 2025-05-18 14:56:34
It doesn't increase buffs, it increases the duration of non-SP JAs.
Wonder what happens to JAs that give a buff do the pet though. Like Spur or Run Wild.
Would it increase the duration of these? Spur... possibly. Run Wild I doubt because the pet dies... but maybe it can die 1.25% later lol
By . on 2025-05-18 14:54:23
Suggestion for the forum:

Bring the Everything else section up above the XIV sections, so people are more likely to go post in them. This part of the forum should be more prominent and not shoved to the bottom, if there is a desire to get the forum to be more than just for XI and/or grow it some.

Maybe also rename and reorder them, arcade to video game talk at the top, tech support to PC and tech discussion or something, chatterbox to general chat or something like that.

Also maybe change the private server section to a new player section, where people can ask questions in a more newb friendly place and not be intimidated. A section similar to what xi reddit offers is good.
By . on 2025-05-18 14:52:22
RadialArcana said: »
Pantafernando said: »
Smells like AI art

I know you're trolling but this kind of thing starts to become real toxic, it's like saying every time a new person posts it's ai. The end result is new people stop posting.

You should never accuse artwork of being ai out of nowhere.

Talked by someone asking AI art to be removed.

You are the one who start throwing toxicity over images, then have no shame talking "you shouldnt do the same".

Cut the crap.
By Carbuncle.Nynja on 2025-05-18 14:44:58
Is this post AI?
By K123 on 2025-05-18 14:43:30
So more like 15%/15 buffs? Not sure who has 30 buffs for anything.
By Shukudai on 2025-05-18 14:35:23
Bahamut.Academic said: »
You'd have to write several if statements, or make a table to check if spell x in y then do z.

Ty. What do the if statements or table look like? Or where can I look up it myself?
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