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Question - does this item do something that no other item can do?

There's your answer. I feel the same way about this katana as I do about Yagrush. It just breaks all originally intended mechanics.

And I'm not fan-boying here. I didn't get it. But it is awesome.

God... I wish I could laugh react posts...

Aha! Thank you.

I personally struggle with the idea of getting it for all the known obvious reasons as to not posted by everyone.

However as a person who has invested ALOT into the job because I genuinely love playing it and find it super fun, its hard to pass it up. I am quite torn on the piece tbh, hence why I haven't cashed in yet(realistically shield would be the other option I would consider for overall practical utility on 3 different jobs I play).

I am forever on the #makeninjagreatagain train so I'll probably get the katana because why not, but I'm not oblivious to the problem child that it is lol.

It's another tool in the toolbox really. Whether its practical or not... that's all any of these weapons are.

Look at the job points again. You get that bonus at 100 and a second at 1200.

I have what must be a numb question but I'm really confused..

From searching this thread the consensus seems to be that, with the 1200JP gift, setting Delta thrust + Barbed Crescent = DW3.

How?

Both spells are worth 4 points.

The points per tier is 8.

So they get you DW1, then the 1200 gift, 'Increases job traits gained from equipped blue magic by 1', would be DW1+1=2?

What have I misunderstood?

imps have a significantly larger detection range any time weather is present in the zone, which is very frequent.

It's several things really:
- +30STR on now 40%STR modifier
_ lots of additional base damage on subhand hit. It's only 1 fTP hit, but with all the multipliers it's probably at least +1k damage there.
- +10%STR WSC modifier
- 5%pdl

When I set Sim for 1000tp target with Thibron and 2000tp with Flametongue difference is even bigger than 10k in median WS (it's closer to 11k) in superbuffed scenario. That being said WS frequency puts dps with Thribon to overall much higher, because it has a 32% lead.

TP Bonus doesn't have accuracy and will greatly effect TP gain if you're just missing with thibron where those would be hits with flametongue. Sure you can juice accuracy, but that also creates a void where you're not juicing attack to cap. It's situational.

I think the issue is whether it'd see more use than other options. I have both NIN and DNC geared, use both whenever possible, so it's a matter of whether OSIII or Yagyu is more practical/useful. They're both niche weapons that give both jobs more opportunity, so it's difficult to choose esp with new content on the horizon.

Like I said. FOMO.

Honestly, this katana just keeps getter better in my eyes.

It's rock solid in dynamis d for shrugging off Stat stomps for your entire party, and yesterday when the VD ambu orc went all crazy on the two dds and went hate wild, it was the ninja (with darkblade) that got control and tanked the entire party to safety until recovery.

This thing is much more useful then we realized. In my eyes it's top tier on the list.

This really doesn't tell much of anything.

OK, the per-WS average of Flametongue at 2k TP may outperform TP bonus at 1k TP (i.e., effective TP of 2k), and you get the white damage boost from fire proc. But you're missing one of the most important pieces: TP Bonus offhand means more total WS (since you can WS at lower TP). 30 weaker WS can still be better overall DPS than 20 stronger ones.

yeah... but a 10% extra stat modifier does nothing than adding 10% of your STR as base ws damage.
Base Damage = floor(( Weapon Base Damage + fSTR + WSC ) × fTP)
WS Damage = WS Base Damage × pDIF
even if he did 99999 dmg with TP bonus sword I dont see how 30 fSTR, 30-60 wsc and 5% pDIF end up adding 10k or more. People testet on utu grip like 3-5% more ws damage wich ends up beeing 5k if you cap dmg

If you play nin somewhat often and seriously, why would you NOT want the ability to do AOE Utsu in your back pocket?

If they release Omega and Ultima, that would definitely be something where shadows are useful for. One of the Sealed Fate strategies still uses shadows.

My first thoughts on race/change service were: Ah ha! now ppl who sell their accounts can completely erase their tracks!

... then I remembered this game too old to buy/sell accounts anymore

Niche uses, but there are even a handful of Gaol fights where NIN "tank" or at least giving shadows to party members can be helpful - Aristaeus (T2 Chapuli) comes to mind.

Could certainly imagine some stuff like new Limbus (maybe Apex Ultima/Omega) where shadows could help either the tank themselves or the other frontline jobs.

I think he is saying WSing at 2000tp with Flametongue offhand is 10k more than with TP bonus at 1000tp.

10k more dmg or more... idk how that works out, even if you had 600STR in ws set you'd need like 200% wsd in gear? or do i miss something?

Yep.

True story now, if it is for a 1$ mule and Naegling was available, would you still pick a bonsnza weapon or Naegling?

Nin tank makes more sense tbh. I didn't think Nin could do it, the not dying part not the holding hate part.

Yagu just makes gaining enmity on targets easier, the protection isn't that big a deal because healers exist. Think of it like an enmity cheat button. Any time where you need shadows, everyone is going to already have shadows. I've seen NIN "tank" segments and it works well enough, the player just has to act like a tank and not try to be a DD that is tanking. Stay in turtle gear, focus strictly on holding hate and surviving.

A tanks #1 priority is holding hate, a tank that can't hold hate isn't. The #2 priority is surviving long enough for the fight to end. Anyone that can do both 1 and 2 is a "tank" and we're just down to arguing efficiency / quality.

Glad to help. Figured I'd try out something that'd be overlooked considering I didn't really have a need for any others at this point.

I had been playing around a bit more with it, and been seeing benefits. I don't see the weapon ever being a situation where you'll main tank, but if you're low-manning and have a COR available, the weapon does well enough at keeping you alive. It's easily one of the best defensive options a SAM has in its arsenal and I could at least see it saving a full-wipe as the healer tries getting the tank back on its feet. It gives SAM at least the same impromptu pocket tank potential that a WAR or DRK provides.

/WAR does well. 10-12% DA isn't wasted on a Seigan SAM and multi-attack becomes very useful. You get Aggressor which is basically pure bonus since the accuracy bonus is nice for counter-rates and the evasion penalty doesn't effect third eye. Smite is a non-negligible amount of damage. Defender is there to help with defense if you need it, Berserk and Warcry for when you don't. and then of course provoke. Provoke tends to work better than Animated Flourish just because it's one-and-done which doesn't drop your attack rate down as much as doing steps do.

/DNC has some versatility, you do get the hit rate and damage increase from Feather/Box Step, which will increase your overall damage in longer fights. Haste Samba helps a lot without Hasso. You get some status and healing when you need it. Accuracy has a more considerable static boost which helps with counter/reliability.

Anymore testing though and I'm just going to start a SAM thread.

I was just curious if it was going to be similar to monstrosity and you possess another monster

Can confirm. The locus imp camp is similar to the imp camp outside Whajaom at 75, can chain infinitely if you have a brd to pull and keep mobs ready.

I hate imps, always end up with 3 on me no matter what I do :(

Perfect, thanks RA!

why Berserk stigma appeared in race change thread?

That is random

eveyone must have Ayame (UC) and talk in unity chat!