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By . on 2025-05-22 17:54:04
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He just misses getting tempbanned from RT so hard that he is being a tryhard troll.
Probably will make his day if he can get others banned along with him.
Explains his take on the "fun toy" topic
Welcome to dealing with RA.
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By . on 2025-05-22 17:53:55
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The game was literally about to be shut down entirely, I don't think enough people appreciate that Fujito really did do something to convince them otherwise. Whatever he did seems to have stuck for the time being. No it wasn't. It was. There was an article about that in the last week or so.
Final Fantasy 11 Nearly Shut Down But Was Saved By Fans
Gamerant
No, read the headline then read the article.
They are equating maintenance mode to shutting down, they are not the same thing. They stated no more updates after VR ended, but changed their mind for the reason I said above.
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"Minimum" is doing an awful lot of work in talking about generating 3.5m gallimaufry
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By Garuda. Chanti on 2025-05-22 17:43:02
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The game was literally about to be shut down entirely, I don't think enough people appreciate that Fujito really did do something to convince them otherwise. Whatever he did seems to have stuck for the time being. No it wasn't. It was. There was an article about that in the last week or so.
Final Fantasy 11 Nearly Shut Down But Was Saved By Fans
Gamerant
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People settled for BLU-WAR because it worked. It made people's lives better. I remember when people suggested BLU and I was a little hesitant because it was a job I never played and didn't know what it would bring to the table. But it brought damage and survivability. Completely trivialized the fight.
I mean, you just admitted, you were acting the same way against BLU as you do against DNC now, but you wasn't right. To make it funnier, you are arguing with the same person ;)
Replacing WAR for DNC will make the DPS a problem and you gotta be very deep in the copium zone to think that haste samba and boxstep can make a group outperform a WAR.
I have no idea why you think that WAR is strong in no subjob situation without Samba. You have only 67.75% Haste. Sure you have everything else and during 1+ minute of MS your dps is really high, but overall for the rest of the fight you are just weak. It's even more problematic when you consider you ideally need Ikenga's axe R30, because using Savage will wall both BRD and COR and whatever gain you will get from switching from axe to sword, you will lose more on WS wall.
Warcry isnt that strong too, because WAR with Ikenga is already at some ridiculous effective TP threshold (on like 2800 avg) and COR and BLU are already using +1250TP bonus, so while they still get nice bonus from Savagery, it's not as impactful as you think. It's also still a buff that even with all the cooldown resets going on, wont be up even half the time.
With Tizona's BLU Ikenga's WAR BRD COR scenario, BLU has higher DPS than WAR (outside of might strikes window) if he only focus on doing damage like WAR. If you put BLU in scenario with box step and haste samba, it's not eve close, BLU is miles ahead of WAR who lacks those buffs/debuffs.
Also even you admitted, that fight with Kalunga is not a high DPS check, yet your only argument for WAR + BLU over DNC + BLU is lower dps (which isn't true, but I just try to understand your logic).
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This is my base tanking set:
ItemSet 399402
DT-5, Regen+10 on Cape.
What I'm trying to do is build a second tanking set, where I use Mpaca's Boots (doesn't offer pet DT but Level+1) and Pitre taj+3. This doesn't offer pet DT either but I like the additional pet Regen/Refresh.
Now... I could swap Rimeice for Enmerkar (-2 DT), but that's still not enough.
Furthermore I have more pet DT items I'm not using now that are currently muled, would hate to get em back because inventory+ but what can you do about it...
I'm talking about Midnights (Path D, -3% DT) and Shepherd Collar (DT-2%).
Basically If I lose the DT-14% from Anwig Salade and Taeon Boots, I can still quite easily cap PDT, but then MDT will be at around 43.5 (even worse if I go with Harletank setup instead of Valoredge setup)
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The lua I'm using for BRD has a section for Instrument for each song type. Is it possible to make a toggle that takes that into account and allows me to toggle between Gjallarhorn for each song type and Miracle Cheer? i.e: If it's a short fight, I hit the toggle, and get Ghorn buffs, if it's longer (like Ody C), I hit the toggle and get Miracle instead of Ghorn?
Anything is possible, but without seeing your lua and its specifics, hard to advise: if you post it here maybe we can help. Do you know who's lua you are using? Basically you will want to find the logic, add a keybind, and implement an override of the default logic.
I'm using the Arislan BRD one (Original: Motenten / Modified: Arislan). I think I can just share via PasteBin? https://pastebin.com/JJTDEtbz
I figured it would be adding a keybind (I just look at how the others are implemented, copy that but change what I need) but I'm not sure if that would do it.
I am not super familiar with Motes based gs, but it looks like you already have potential functionality:
Line 133: (send_command('bind ^` gs c cycle SongMode'))
I took the liberty of playing around here with this for 15mins for fun - let me know if it works: (Free to try) You can ping me on discord too same name, perhaps we can get it working.
https://pastebin.com/ki0xRhnA
Use ^` to toggle into miracle cheer mode (Same key as dummy songs). You need to update sets.midcast.SongMiracleCheer line 414 with any relevant gear. (I dont play bard cant really test any of this)
FYI details of what I think needed to be done:
I added miracle cheer to line 73:
state.SongMode = M{['description']='Song Mode', 'None', 'Placeholder', 'MiracleCheer'}
Then adding to near line 1008:
elseif state.SongMode.value == 'MiracleCheer' then
return 'SongMiracleCheer'
And then setting up the invoked set around line 413: (edit as needed)
sets.midcast.SongMiracleCheer = set_combine(sets.midcast.SongEnhancing, {range=info.MiracleCheer})
As well as putting at line 124:
info.MiracleCheer = 'Miracle Cheer'
Not sure if the precast set was needed, as I don't see logic but added that too.
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I'm pretty sure there is a paper argument for DNC single-wielding Onion Sword being better than BLU with Tizona Thibron and all the useful BLU spells.
It's like what I said, all Bonanza weapon are toys. The arguments around their usefulness are FFXI AH getting high on copium.
DNC could do 0 damage and BRD COR and BLU with box step and haste Samba would still do enough dps to overall beat WAR BLU COR and BRD without box step and haste samba.
I'm not denying math or theoretical scenarios, just curious. If this is actually true, then you don't need Onion Sword III for this. So why hasn't anybody ever suggested or tried this before these weapons were given out? Like for 2+ years, surely someone could have reasoned that bringing DNC for full time samba, heals, and capped steps was worth the loss of DPS from war/warcry bonus on others/mighty strikes. DNC can create TP out of thin air also, so it's not suffering in that department either.
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By Brixy on 2025-05-22 17:02:21
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Targetbar
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By . on 2025-05-22 16:46:16
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By Ragnarok. Zeig on 2025-05-22 16:44:17
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He just misses getting tempbanned from RT so hard that he is being a tryhard troll.
Probably will make his day if he can get others banned along with him.
Explains his take on the "fun toy" topic
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By Godfry on 2025-05-22 16:36:10
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It's the stupid arguments in FFXI that I enjoy dunking on. People here are so desperate to be special that they try to go off meta just to be different.
People settled for BLU-WAR because it worked. It made people's lives better. I remember when people suggested BLU and I was a little hesitant because it was a job I never played and didn't know what it would bring to the table. But it brought damage and survivability. Completely trivialized the fight.
Replacing WAR for DNC will make the DPS a problem and you gotta be very deep in the copium zone to think that haste samba and boxstep can make a group outperform a WAR.
Our last Kalunga clear we had 5 mins left on the clock. Warrior is cheap, trivial to build and useful. So, again I ask, why are you trying to bring DNC to Kalunga? Are you running into DPS problems? Healing problems? Survivability problems? You dont have BLU-WAR-DRK-SAM?
There are several reasons not to bring WAR to an aminon fight. People can kill aminon with a stage 3 prime with a whole lot of time left on the clock.
The answer to both question is: for fun! Not because it's better.
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By . on 2025-05-22 16:34:02
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Old woman, go do some knitting.
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By Ragnarok. Zeig on 2025-05-22 16:32:44
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But you don't need to get riled up when someone calls it "a 23 y/o game on maintenance mode" and try so hard to disprove that as if it's receiving regular, significant updates like, say, FFXIV.
You're like an old woman telling kids to play nice, quit bitching. You engage my post to *** about me calling FFXI a 23 y/o game, then reply with this? Classic.
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By Dodik on 2025-05-22 16:26:38
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Any usable prime. The minimum usable tier is stage4 which is 3.5m and 15 psyche total or a minimum of three months for psyche even if you get 3.5m muffins in that time.
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By . on 2025-05-22 16:26:08
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But you don't need to get riled up when someone calls it "a 23 y/o game on maintenance mode" and try so hard to disprove that as if it's receiving regular, significant updates like, say, FFXIV.
You're like an old woman telling kids to play nice, quit bitching.
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By . on 2025-05-22 16:24:21
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Nobody said anything about XI shutting down, they just said they were deciding 3+ years ago if they were going to buy all new servers to carry the game on another 10+ years and if it was worth doing that and they decided yes.
We just had the 23rd anniversary, this discussion was on the 20th anniversary.
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By Ragnarok. Zeig on 2025-05-22 16:22:45
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They are perfectly relevant They're not.
(and those that are not, will get to be) Uh, okay?
age of the game means nothing Exactly! Well, not exactly "nothing", because age is expected to affect an MMO's status (number of players and frequency of updates).
When a 60 y/o has a health issue and we attribute that to his age, you can't just go "no no, age has nothing to do with it! there are other healthy 60 y/o, and the healthy 30 y/o will one day be 60 y/o!". Old age is a precipitating factor for plenty of health issues.
The rest just sounds like massive copium.
It's alright, you can enjoy playing FFXI (I am atm). But you don't need to get riled up when someone calls it "a 23 y/o game on maintenance mode" and try so hard to disprove that as if it's receiving regular, significant updates like, say, FFXIV.
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By . on 2025-05-22 16:21:06
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Directors are always going to claim responsibility for positive things. I am sure there are a few unsung engineers keeping the lights on behind the scenes.
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By . on 2025-05-22 16:18:47
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like I said, decide for yourself. all we have to go on is PR from SE themselves.
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By . on 2025-05-22 16:14:16
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For people that don't see how XI operates.
Every year the producer has to have a meeting with the management (the developers / producer don't get the money we pay for the game, that goes to the company), and if the meeting goes well it gets full funding to pay all costs for for the entire year following.
If the management are skittish about something, they do not want to fully fund the game for the full year and so they give a lower amount to keep the game running and little else.
If they give a lower amount, this means the game is stated as going into maintenance mode by the producer. You can state it as a hibernation period.
This has happened twice: Once when they ended PS2 support (they thought all the JP players were going to quit, they just bought a pc) and the second time was when Matsui left and they had little confidence in Fujito. Once they see the thing they were worried about doesn't happen, they get full funding the next year again and maintenance mode is then over.
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Even lower tier prime weapons? My question was specifically if theres *any* tier *other than* the final one that starts to become best mainhand weapon for spamming weaponskills (ignoring other DREAM options)
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By Nalf on 2025-05-22 16:06:29
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@Brixy
Which addon displays the debuff icons of the targetted enemy please ?
I can see a litte Dia debuff icon above the Imp's TargetBar on the screen right side, would love to use that.
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By K123 on 2025-05-22 16:04:05
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Most groups use geo over blue mage though. That was what I was referring to. So the argument that dancer would have performed better in that setup than the blue is very valid. Well not really since GEO and BLU offer defensive support where DNC doesn't.
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By . on 2025-05-22 15:46:44
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The game was literally about to be shut down entirely, I don't think enough people appreciate that Fujito really did do something to convince them otherwise. Whatever he did seems to have stuck for the time being.
No it wasn't.
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By . on 2025-05-22 15:46:26
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To be fair, the minority here on the forums, myself included, do not represent the entire XI fan base, small or large as it is.
More passionate, for one. Way way higher on the spectrum compared to the average player.
I wouldn't give the heated discussions much clout, that's just.. Thursday.
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By . on 2025-05-22 15:45:00
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The game was literally about to be shut down entirely, I don't think enough people appreciate that Fujito really did do something to convince them otherwise. Whatever he did seems to have stuck for the time being.
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By Anza on 2025-05-22 15:41:20
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Oh for sure, in your case the shield totally makes sense. And for PLD in general, pretty damn good! A great pick too.
I particularly called out RDM and BST due to the somewhat lesser impact on lengthening their JA durations. Still certainly worth using if you have it, just doesn't fundamentally change anything. "Hey RDM, remember that Saboteur you enjoy using? Well, this shield lets you get the exact same thing, but for 15 extra seconds."
Hey, bonus is bonus so that's nice. But it's obviously not a fundamental change the way it would be if the shield, oh IDK, made RDM's Haste II into Hastega II.
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Quote: Have you beaten Kalunga V25 with your DNC setup? (Have you beaten Kalunga V25 at all?). Honest question.
Quote: The only hard locked jobs for Kalunga are BRD, COR and PLD and nothing else. We did it easily with BRD COR PLD DRK RUN BLU and we had plenty of time left.
He already mentioned he cleared Kalunga with an off meta comp.
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By Ragnarok. Zeig on 2025-05-22 15:33:04
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Most mmorpgs are around 20 years old, this is not abnormal.
FFXI is not on maintenance mode anymore, Fujito specially said this. People really don't know what the world maintenance means I guess.
They are not ultimate weapons, they are very fun toys.
Making people happy on an anniversary is a good thing, and this years was massively successful cause it peaked interest.
People on XIAH are mostly serious endgame players, and it makes them happy to argue about stuff like this.
It's not negative, people are having fun. Even if having fun is arguing about the tier of the toys.
This is like wow adding a new raid, and going to a serious endgame discord and asking why people are arguing about a strategy instead of just having fun. Other MMOs are irrelevant here. FFXI is old and lost most of its players, and hasn't been getting frequent worthwhile updates. That's the point.
Not on maintenance mode anymore.. meaning it was? For how long? And has Fujito's statement been reflected on actual additions to the game?
And to say on one hand that these weapons are "just fun toys" (downplaying them) while at the same time justifying all the endless arguing (& name-calling) over them with being "serious endgame players" isn't making sense. There is fun in having discussions and then there is that.
And that's why the WoW example isn't relevant.
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