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By K123 on 2025-05-23 13:35:25
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Any 4 steps you can do that start and end that way?
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By K123 on 2025-05-23 13:34:25
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You have to know the right questions to ask, to get the right answers.
If you dont know what functions, arrays, stack vs heap, pointers, ref vs value types, hash functions, trees, graphs, etc are... all that stuff you learn in computer sciences and algorithms... then how are you gonna steer the AI to actually get the outcomes you want?
You can't ask the AI to make a <thing> when you dont know the right words for that <thing> are. You'll start wasting a huge amount of time first getting the AI to explain to you what that thingy is, then backpedaling and asking for it.
Finally, AI is garbage as soon as you are remotely esoteric domain knowledge. If you are using anything that came out in the last year, its just gonna ***the bed and fall over, cuz it doesnt have training data for it.
RAGs can help with this, but that only works if the thing is very very very well documented, and then you have to waste a buncha time first loading all that documentation into a vector DB for RAG'ing on.
100% agree, this is why learning to code is still critical even in an AI capable future. Basing the future off the present limitations is kinda the point you're missing.
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People have different view on this topic because some business/jobs are service providers and some business/jobs are value providers.
I am not sure how you draw a line between a service and value since they are not mutually exclusive. do you have a better word then service to use here?
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You have to know the right questions to ask, to get the right answers.
If you dont know what functions, arrays, stack vs heap, pointers, ref vs value types, hash functions, trees, graphs, etc are... all that stuff you learn in computer sciences and algorithms... then how are you gonna steer the AI to actually get the outcomes you want?
You can't ask the AI to make a <thing> when you dont know the right words for that <thing> are. You'll start wasting a huge amount of time first getting the AI to explain to you what that thingy is, then backpedaling and asking for it.
Finally, AI is garbage as soon as you are remotely esoteric domain knowledge. If you are using anything that came out in the last year, its just gonna ***the bed and fall over, cuz it doesnt have training data for it.
RAGs can help with this, but that only works if the thing is very very very well documented, and then you have to waste a buncha time first loading all that documentation into a vector DB for RAG'ing on.
100% agree, this is why learning to code is still critical even in an AI capable future.
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AM2 = 2k Last Stanrd > 1k Savage > Light > 1k Last Stand > Radiance Is there a version that ends with savage blade is my question. Guessing not since it has to end with the aeonic so it was a dumb question No, no Savage Blade enders for the Ultimate Skillchains. It has to end with a level 3 property while you have AM in effect.
It can work with Empyrean weaponskills as well, which is why there are a host of jobs that can do both Radiance and Umbra.
COR, RNG, NIN, DRG, PLD, BLU, RDM, THF, BRD, DNC, and GEO all may make both Radiance and Umbra due to having weaponskills innate to their weapon type/jobs that have the opposite SC type.
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AI is horribly non-deterministic in its answers, which makes it unsuitable for important tasks, it can be used to augment productivity but not replace things that require definitive correctness.
I don't see that changing anytime soon. There's a reason there's a ton of AI chatbots and none that can predict stock prices, a regression model to do the later is a much easier task, and a much more valuable one. (note: anyone who did this would surpass Elon's wealth in a short time)
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Programmer is the driver, the IDE is the horse.
sounds plausible, but why not Product Manager is the driver, the Programmer the horse?
replace the programmer with an "AI" that the product manager interacts with in the same manner.
So what is the unique aspect of the "Programmer" the prevents the role from being collapse to a higher level in the org?
Domain Knowledge, basically my above post.
You have to know the right questions to ask, to get the right answers.
If you dont know what functions, arrays, stack vs heap, pointers, ref vs value types, hash functions, trees, graphs, etc are... all that stuff you learn in computer sciences and algorithms... then how are you gonna steer the AI to actually get the outcomes you want?
You can't ask the AI to make a <thing> when you dont know the right words for that <thing> are. You'll start wasting a huge amount of time first getting the AI to explain to you what that thingy is, then backpedaling and asking for it.
Finally, AI is garbage as soon as you are remotely esoteric domain knowledge. If you are using anything that came out in the last year, its just gonna ***the bed and fall over, cuz it doesnt have training data for it.
RAGs can help with this, but that only works if the thing is very very very well documented, and then you have to waste a buncha time first loading all that documentation into a vector DB for RAG'ing on.
By which point the real human developer probably already is 1/3rd done the project.
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Yeah Simon's right. I've just never noticed since I always multistep with lower AM levels anyway.
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Programmer is the driver, the IDE is the horse.
sounds plausible, but why not Product Manager is the driver, the Programmer the horse?
replace the programmer with an "AI" that the product manager interacts with in the same manner.
So what is the unique aspect of the "Programmer" the prevents the role from being collapse to a higher level in the org?
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I assumed when they wrote "AM3 = " at the start, the implication there was that you already had AM3 up, that seemed kinda obvious to me...
If he had am3 up, then he wouldn't need 3k LS. 1k LS x2 would be enough.
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I think your 2 step solution isn't reality and basically comes back round to what I was saying about design.
You have people that need an app/program/website to serve x function. You have a company that makes apps, of which some employees are programmers. Between these you have design. Not every designer/product manager programs, not every programmer designs.
People also vastly underestimate how huge a difference someone skilled with the AI tools vs someone without those skills performs.
You can't easily get an AI to design stuff for you if you dont even know all the right lingo to prompt it correctly. How are you gonna ask it to make it do the right thing, if you don't know all the right words to use?
The domain knowledge is still critical, and it takes time and effort to pick that up.
LLMs are like machines you pilot, yes when we invented the airplane it allowed us to get from A to B way way faster... but you still need a pilot to drive it
LLMs still dont do diddly squat without a skilled pilot. And any CEO that thinks "thats easy I can do that" hasnt used it much yet, because as soon as you get like 30 minutes into fighting with it, you'll realize its way harder than it looks.
It's like trying to pretend that simply having access to Microsoft Word is all it takes to write a novel. The tool is merely a tool, you still gotta know how to use it well.
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By K123 on 2025-05-23 13:05:26
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AM2 = 2k Last Stanrd > 1k Savage > Light > 1k Last Stand > Radiance Is there a version that ends with savage blade is my question. Guessing not since it has to end with the aeonic so it was a dumb question
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so who do you think the driver is and who/what the horse is?
Programmer is the driver, the IDE is the horse.
Though, in this case we have a scenario where the horse is a transformer that is slowly transforming *into* the automobile, but by the end of the transformation it definitely looks very different from the original horse (AI tools being directly integrated with our IDEs)
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I assumed when they wrote "AM3 = " at the start, the implication there was that you already had AM3 up, that seemed kinda obvious to me...
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Big dog
What do you think the 3k stands for lol
Hylin is right. LS that gives you AM doesn't take advantage of that AM, so has no light attribute. You would need to do 1k LS first, then 3k LS and 1k LS to make Radiance.
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"Also none of the other 2 targets were piercing weak either" What other 2 targets?
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By Hylin on 2025-05-23 12:54:18
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Big dog
What do you think the 3k stands for lol Since he says 3k last stand I assumed he didn't mean he started with AM up
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As I stated above, its been shown time and time again when a new tool enters that lets a worker do their job more efficiently, people dont lose jobs.
Hmm yes and no. Low skilled workers absolutely do lose their job because that jobs ceases to exist. Simultaneously a new job appears to replace it, a job that usually requires higher skill level. Those who can increase their skill level and take advantage of that new automation tool end up doing much better then those who can't. The additional productivity of those new higher skilled workers drives the commodity price down, and it's that lower price that drives demand.
My point was that the price was already being driven down due to foreign competition. A content artist in the US was already competing with Chinese and Korean content artists. Generative AI was just the last straw that finalized that transition.
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By NynJa on 2025-05-23 12:53:09
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Big dog
What do you think the 3k stands for lol
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By Hylin on 2025-05-23 12:50:36
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AM3 = 3k Last Stand > 1k Last Stand -> Radiance
This doesn't work unless you already have any level of AM up
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If you open with a 3K TF with Aeonic gun equipped does savage blade close Radiance? Fully accept if you tell me I'm dumb for asking this No. In order to make Radiance or Umbra the closing skillchain has to be closing using a Level 3 property.
To make Radiance with Fomalhaut you would need:
AM3 = 3k Last Stand > 1k Last Stand -> Radiance
3k Last Stand > 1k Wildfire> 1k Wildfire -> Umbra
AM2 = 2k Last Stanrd > 1k Savage > Light > 1k Last Stand > Radiance
2k Last Stand > wait > 1k Leaden > 1k Viper Bite > Distortion > 1k Leaden > Darkness > Wildfire > Umbra
AM1 = 1k Last Stand > 1k Leaden > Gravitation > Savage Blade > Fragmentation > Last Stand > Light > Last Stand > Radiance
Umbra same as AM2, you only need a 4 step, and I'm unaware of other combos for COR to get Aeonic Aftermath and then make Distortion.
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As I stated above, its been shown time and time again when a new tool enters that lets a worker do their job more efficiently, people dont lose jobs.
The scenario of "workers can do the work of 3 ppl now, so 66% of people lose their jobs" isnt reality.
What actually happens is demand increases.
1: Your workers now can produce, say, double the output in half the time.
2: You can now sell your service/product for half the price
3: Because wealth is distributed on a steep exponential curve, lowering your price exponentially increases your target demographic market
4: Which in turn causes your demand to very sharply increase, to such a degree it actually outstrips your boosted supply
5: Which then means you end up needing to hire even more workers even though they are more productive
In the above example, you'd see something like "My workers are 2x as productive, but this made demand go up 3x so even my double productive workers still weren't enough so I had to hire more to match the sharp uptick in demand"
Its a similar paradox to the whole fuel economic cars thing. You buy a more fuel economic car, but as a result you end up driving more because its cheaper, and you end up burning even more fuel than you did before, because it became cheaper per mile so trips you wouldn't have even wanted to do before became viable.
The automobile didn't put cab drivers out of business, it put horses out of business.
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By K123 on 2025-05-23 12:43:30
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AI is not good at posing research level questions because it sucks at conceptualizing problems beyond the data that is available to it. https://arxiv.org/abs/2409.04109
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Gotcha, so about a 37k loss.
Onion Sword seems like the clear winner then
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By K123 on 2025-05-23 12:32:51
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If you open with a 3K TF with Aeonic gun equipped does savage blade close Radiance? Fully accept if you tell me I'm dumb for asking this
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By K123 on 2025-05-23 12:31:54
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LS with Ataktos is done with big accuracy deficit and you risk missing it entirely or at least half of it This is true, and in reality it sucks sometimes, but in theoeretical model sim math world you always assume capped accuracy with TP bonus weapons soooooooo yeah consistency plz :)
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By K123 on 2025-05-23 12:30:04
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We needed more farmers when there was more traffic because of population boom. We are not going to see any population boom now, in fact it will be in decline soon. This is a different ballgame to the turn of the last century.
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The only people buying the whole "AI will write our code for us" are those who are either trying to inflate stock prices, or have never had to use "creative solutions" to solve hard problems before. Or predict that there is or there is going to be a problem in the first place. AI sucks for that, and this is what makes companies go bankrupt to begin with. So AI is not only going to replace workers its going to replace crappy management with even crappier management?
A farm used to be a farmer and 100 workers, now it's a farmer and a bunch of machines and 2-3 people working for him driving them. Tractors have been fully automated for over a decade. (No, not all tractors.)
A farm is now a corporate farm manager, a bunch of machines, 2 - 3 mechanics, a few satellite subscriptions, and a fair amount of computing power. The other 97 - 98 farm workers are now working for the corporation mostly as lobbyists.
The tractors have more intelligence than the whole lousy lot of them.
The jobs AI is replacing are the same types of jobs that are traditionally replaced by automation. Low skilled jobs that are teachable in a few months and require lots of supervision. It hasn't changed much in IT because those jobs were already farmed out to India, I wish I was joking here. Who has been greatly impacted have been content creators, those guys are getting bulldozed right now. Companies were already starting to offshore to China or Korea but the ability to have art and texture assets automatically created by a machine just deleted a massive amount of manual hours. A few content creators can now produce the same amount of material using generative AI as dozens using traditional tools. It still requires human management and editing, something companies are finding out the hard way, but the sheer number of man hours for the product have been reduced.
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And yeah as Simon mentioned, relying on Ataktos+Last Stand is a way to randomly whiff your combos here and there.
This goes double for scenarios where you are focusing on melee attack buffs and whatnot, IE I dunno if we have any good food options thatd give you both att, acc, and racc, you'd end up having to likely sacrifice one of those and now you're gimping your savage blade dmg just so your Last Stand misses less often.
I also remember often getting frustrated with last stand just whiffing, it just became better dps to go "*** it" and spam savage blade instead.
Simon: with the same setups, would you by chance be able to run the numbers on how just simply spamming the ***out of savage blade, skillchains be damned, compares? Cuz thats also something to consider, using a faster/better offhand weapon to just do even moar savage blades.
I wonder if just "SB > SB > SB > SB ...." might actually outperform "FBII > SB > Light" cuz then you can use Naegling and go *** nuts.
There would be no WS frequency difference between spam SB and do FBII to SB for light. Both are done with the same tp set and at the same TP threshold. So just 2x SB with Naegling would be 56k + 56k = 112k
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