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By . on 2017-03-24 12:29:43 |
I just don't like putting people down for things like getting a divorce, it's such a little thing.
There's the fundamental difference in thinking.
It's not a little thing. It's a very big thing to some folk.
So then they can not get a divorce
Who cares if someone that isn't you gets one, it doesn't effect them at all
Who cares about anything?
My personal beliefs apply to me and those who choose to directly inject themselves into my life, with or without invitation.
We're just discussing this particular take on the topic on the internet because clearly we're killing time on a Friday afternoon. |
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By Shiva. Nikolce on 2017-03-24 12:26:39 |
Honor died sometime in the 70's. no one gives a ***. YouTube Video Placeholder |
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By . on 2017-03-24 12:26:16 |
Honor died sometime in the 70's. no one gives a ***.
Don't underestimate the power of Nik whipping parker into a resurrection. Frankenhonor. And the Bride of Frankenhonor, even, to stay topical! |
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By Asura. Lolserj on 2017-03-24 12:25:39 |
I just don't like putting people down for things like getting a divorce, it's such a little thing.
There's the fundamental difference in thinking.
It's not a little thing. It's a very big thing to some folk.
So then they can not get a divorce
Who cares if someone that isn't you gets one, it doesn't effect them at all |
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By . on 2017-03-24 12:22:56 |
I just don't like putting people down for things like getting a divorce, it's such a little thing.
There's the fundamental difference in thinking.
It's not a little thing. It's a very big thing to some folk.
Your justifications for the act are things that should have been considered.
And I say this is more relevant today than ever. It is considered far more socially acceptable now to be an unwed couple with a child. It is far more okay to be single or dating in perpetuity.
I'd say in today's social climate -- in the U.S. in any case -- if you get divorced, you're exiting a situation you entered into freely and by your own will. Arranged marriages are surely still occasionally an issue, but not nearly to the extent they were even a scant lifetime ago. |
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By . on 2017-03-24 12:22:16 |
I'm with Nik.
And I suppose it's also a declaration of love in a way
This right here is the problem.
You "suppose"..."in a way."
I have absolutely nothing against people who live together for decades and don't get married. Who make no vows. If situations change, you've -- by the absence of vows thusfar -- tacitly agreed that it's an at-will situation.
But once you make your promise, you bloody well keep it.
As for your *** cutting situation, well. If you married someone who has potential to become a *** cutter, it's really on you. You either primero: rushed into things not realizing the possibility, segundo: did something equally bad (in fact or perceived) to trigger said act or tercero: knew of the possibility but threw caution into the wind like so much confetti after a sports championship. |
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By Asura. Lolserj on 2017-03-24 11:15:55 |
Lolserj, here's the thing.
Nik is all about his word, his honour.
To him marriage has nothing to do with love or any of that nonsense.
Marriage to him is a promise, one that he believes to be of incredibly high importance to keep no matter what.
He cares little about anything else except what he agreed to on the day of his marriage.
You're basically fighting a battle against opinion, which started because of your own opinion upon Nik's opinion upon your opinion.
Basically, Nik don't give a ***, he's keeping his word. If he doesn't, he has dishonoured himself and his family and shall commit seppuku. Because that is the honourable thing to do.
That's cool, let him do his thing. Because his view of marriage has nothing to do with "conventional" marriage views. His view of marriage is completely on his view of promise keeping and honour.
I mean I don't care what Nik does, if he wants to stay in the marriage until death or whatever
But having such a negative opinion of people who get divorced is, in my opinion, a little ridiculous You have to think about it differently.
Nik isn't simply saying "those who get divorced are terrible" his actual opinion is more "People who make promises they can't keep are terrible and they should think more about what they're doing before making such promises."
Again, to Nik it's not about the actual marriage itself, it's about the promise the marriage represents and whether someone should actually be agreeing to something they don't fully intend to uphold during the ceremony.
His thoughts on marriage/divorce don't just stem from marriage itself, it stems from promise-keeping and being honourable. While I don't fully agree with it, he's actually not entirely wrong to think that way.
It's an opinion, and he is entitled to it. I don't think he is right or wrong in that aspect, I just have a different opinion
I don't think one is more right or wrong than the other, it isn't like we're trying to solve for x here.
I just don't like putting people down for things like getting a divorce, it's such a little thing. And really in certain situations, like say a situation where you're yelling at each other or hitting each other in front of your kids, it's probably better for everyone involved in that marriage for it to just end. In a case like that I would say not going back on your promise is less honorable than breaking it |
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Lolserj, here's the thing.
Nik is all about his word, his honour.
To him marriage has nothing to do with love or any of that nonsense.
Marriage to him is a promise, one that he believes to be of incredibly high importance to keep no matter what.
He cares little about anything else except what he agreed to on the day of his marriage.
You're basically fighting a battle against opinion, which started because of your own opinion upon Nik's opinion upon your opinion.
Basically, Nik don't give a ***, he's keeping his word. If he doesn't, he has dishonoured himself and his family and shall commit seppuku. Because that is the honourable thing to do.
That's cool, let him do his thing. Because his view of marriage has nothing to do with "conventional" marriage views. His view of marriage is completely on his view of promise keeping and honour.
I mean I don't care what Nik does, if he wants to stay in the marriage until death or whatever
But having such a negative opinion of people who get divorced is, in my opinion, a little ridiculous You have to think about it differently.
Nik isn't simply saying "those who get divorced are terrible" his actual opinion is more "People who make promises they can't keep are terrible and they should think more about what they're doing before making such promises."
Again, to Nik it's not about the actual marriage itself, it's about the promise the marriage represents and whether someone should actually be agreeing to something they don't fully intend to uphold during the ceremony.
His thoughts on marriage/divorce don't just stem from marriage itself, it stems from promise-keeping and being honourable. While I don't fully agree with it, he's actually not entirely wrong to think that way. |
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By Siren. Mosin on 2017-03-24 11:02:41 |
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Honor died sometime in the 70's. no one gives a ***.
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By Asura. Lolserj on 2017-03-24 10:48:48 |
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It also is usually cheaper for one person to be on the other's health insurance plan as opposed to both having individual coverage.
I suppose you could technically be "domestic partners" and possibly get on the same plan, but I don't know if that's always possible with every plan
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By Asura. Lolserj on 2017-03-24 10:44:23 |
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And I suppose it's also a declaration of love in a way
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them hobbits tho
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By Asura. Lolserj on 2017-03-24 10:43:43 |
If marriage specifically meant "being together by contract until we die", then sure what I said would not be valid at all, but that is not what marriage is. Not to everyone anyways.
really? you never heard the preacher or priest or justice of the peace say the line "UNTIL DEATH DO US PART"
what did you think that meant? until she gets fat? until she has an opinion I don't like?
I don't plan on going to a preacher, nor do I plan on having to go through all that ceremonial *** before getting married. Obviously I have heard the phrase "Until death do us part", obviously some people truly believe in it, but if you're going to tell me that everyone does... I just can't believe that. If you don't believe in it then why bother?
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By Lakshmi. Flavin on 2017-03-24 10:42:57 |
If marriage specifically meant "being together by contract until we die", then sure what I said would not be valid at all, but that is not what marriage is. Not to everyone anyways.
really? you never heard the preacher or priest or justice of the peace say the line "UNTIL DEATH DO US PART"
what did you think that meant? until she gets fat? until she has an opinion I don't like?
I don't plan on going to a preacher, nor do I plan on having to go through all that ceremonial *** before getting married. Obviously I have heard the phrase "Until death do us part", obviously some people truly believe in it, but if you're going to tell me that everyone does... I just can't believe that. If you don't believe in it then why bother? |
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By Asura. Lolserj on 2017-03-24 10:41:35 |
Lolserj, here's the thing.
Nik is all about his word, his honour.
To him marriage has nothing to do with love or any of that nonsense.
Marriage to him is a promise, one that he believes to be of incredibly high importance to keep no matter what.
He cares little about anything else except what he agreed to on the day of his marriage.
You're basically fighting a battle against opinion, which started because of your own opinion upon Nik's opinion upon your opinion.
Basically, Nik don't give a ***, he's keeping his word. If he doesn't, he has dishonoured himself and his family and shall commit seppuku. Because that is the honourable thing to do.
That's cool, let him do his thing. Because his view of marriage has nothing to do with "conventional" marriage views. His view of marriage is completely on his view of promise keeping and honour.
I mean I don't care what Nik does, if he wants to stay in the marriage until death or whatever
But having such a negative opinion of people who get divorced is, in my opinion, a little ridiculous |
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By Asura. Lolserj on 2017-03-24 10:39:59 |
So you're saying that if your wife cut off your penis you would stay with her afterwards?
of course. in sickness and in health. it's right there in black and white
I just can't believe that.
Because you, like most people, haven't thought it through
Okay I have gathered that in your situation marriage is until death, and that is completely fine, as long as both you and your wife are fine with that arrangement.
But it isn't to everyone, so don't go spouting *** about how if you end up getting a divorce then you "Haven't thought it through". I don't care what promises they made before getting married.
It's just not up to you, it's up to those people. And if they want to void their contract, until death or otherwise, it's really not up to you
Knowing when to quit, in my opinion, is more honorable than wasting time over old and ridiculous tradition. |
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Lolserj, here's the thing.
Nik is all about his word, his honour.
To him marriage has nothing to do with love or any of that nonsense.
Marriage to him is a promise, one that he believes to be of incredibly high importance to keep no matter what.
He cares little about anything else except what he agreed to on the day of his marriage.
You're basically fighting a battle against opinion, which started because of your own opinion upon Nik's opinion upon your opinion.
Basically, Nik don't give a ***, he's keeping his word. If he doesn't, he has dishonoured himself and his family and shall commit seppuku. Because that is the honourable thing to do.
That's cool, let him do his thing. Because his view of marriage has nothing to do with "conventional" marriage views. His view of marriage is completely on his view of promise keeping and honour.
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So you're saying that if your wife cut off your penis you would stay with her afterwards?
of course. in sickness and in health. it's right there in black and white John Wayne Bobbitt was such a pussy. |
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By Shiva. Nikolce on 2017-03-24 10:28:22 |
So you're saying that if your wife cut off your penis you would stay with her afterwards?
of course. in sickness and in health. it's right there in black and white
I just can't believe that.
Because you, like most people, haven't thought it through |
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By Asura. Lolserj on 2017-03-24 10:11:32 |
Nik let's say, as an example, you wake up after your wife had just used a knife to remove your junk. I don't know if I could believe that you wouldn't at least consider a divorce after that.
I don't care if YOU believe me. I have been married for twenty five years. Here is the tldr version I have seen some ***
It hasn't all been wine and roses jack... but I came prepared.
I don't think you can understand or appreciate the lengths I am prepared to go. for one because you haven't experincaed the lengths I have gone through already.
So you're saying that if your wife cut off your penis you would stay with her afterwards? |
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By Shiva. Nikolce on 2017-03-24 10:09:11 |
Nik let's say, as an example, you wake up after your wife had just used a knife to remove your junk. I don't know if I could believe that you wouldn't at least consider a divorce after that.
I don't care if YOU believe me. I have been married for twenty five years. Here is the tldr version I have seen some ***
It hasn't all been wine and roses jack... but I came prepared.
I don't think you can understand or appreciate the lengths I am prepared to go. for one because you haven't experincaed the lengths I have gone through already. |
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By Asura. Lolserj on 2017-03-24 10:04:58 |
If marriage specifically meant "being together by contract until we die", then sure what I said would not be valid at all, but that is not what marriage is. Not to everyone anyways.
really? you never heard the preacher or priest or justice of the peace say the line "UNTIL DEATH DO US PART"
what did you think that meant? until she gets fat? until she has an opinion I don't like?
I don't plan on going to a preacher, nor do I plan on having to go through all that ceremonial *** before getting married. Obviously I have heard the phrase "Until death do us part", obviously some people truly believe in it, but if you're going to tell me that everyone does... I just can't believe that. |
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By Shiva. Nikolce on 2017-03-24 10:03:18 |
If marriage specifically meant "being together by contract until we die", then sure what I said would not be valid at all, but that is not what marriage is. Not to everyone anyways.
really? you never heard the preacher or priest or justice of the peace say the line "UNTIL DEATH DO US PART"
what did you think that meant? until she gets fat? until she has an opinion I don't like? |
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By Asura. Lolserj on 2017-03-24 10:00:09 |
I don't see the point in faulting someone in making a mistake. In my example of my cousin, he lied. He promised to love honor and cherish his wife until death does them part in sickness and in health rich or poor better or worse I WAS RIGHT THERE I SAW THE WHOLE THING!!!.
Maybe his wife went crazy and decided "I don't want kids" ok
But that's covered right there in the sicknesss or health clause.
or she simply changed her mind. it doesn't matter. if you make a promise to do something until you doe and you quit before your heart stops YOU LIED. For whatever reason you didn't hold up your end of the bargain.
In my eyes, which certainly a valid point could be made that WHO GIVES A ***ABOUT WHAT I THINK OF THEM, they have
NO HONOR
I didn't go to the second wedding or send a gift or acknoledge his wife because why in the hell would anyone with two functioning brain cells think that he would stick this marraige out when ***got hard
You're starting to remind me of my cousin on facebook who started comparing me to Hitler because I said I was a progressive |
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By Asura. Lolserj on 2017-03-24 09:58:38 |
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Nik let's say, as an example, you wake up after your wife had just used a knife to remove your junk. I don't know if I could believe that you wouldn't at least consider a divorce after that.
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By Shiva. Nikolce on 2017-03-24 09:57:14 |
I don't see the point in faulting someone in making a mistake. In my example of my cousin, he lied. He promised to love honor and cherish his wife until death does them part in sickness and in health rich or poor better or worse I WAS RIGHT THERE I SAW THE WHOLE THING!!!.
Maybe his wife went crazy and decided "I don't want kids" ok
But that's covered right there in the sicknesss or health clause.
or she simply changed her mind. it doesn't matter. if you make a promise to do something until you doe and you quit before your heart stops YOU LIED. For whatever reason you didn't hold up your end of the bargain.
In my eyes, which certainly a valid point could be made that WHO GIVES A ***ABOUT WHAT I THINK OF THEM, they have
NO HONOR
I didn't go to the second wedding or send a gift or acknoledge his wife because why in the hell would anyone with two functioning brain cells think that he would stick this marraige out when ***got hard |
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By Asura. Lolserj on 2017-03-24 09:54:13 |
I don't know if what you're pointing out is actually relevant at all to my comment.
Your comment is fundamentally flawed because you were projecting your own personal opinion and experiance to society as a whole when you ised the phrase "I think".
Then in your example, you further prove my point by stating "what if the spouse becoming abusive." You created a loophole to get out of your promise. Where You might call it quits. I would simply move out and stay married while living somewhere else.
Again, there isn't a scenario I haven't thought through. I'm prepared for every concievable eventuality. In a way that perhaps a completely sane mind can't even begin to grasp.
"Thinking it through" is honestly relative to each person, and in each case, especially when it comes to marriage.
Using personal opinion and experience, even to society as a whole, makes sense in this context when I think of what marriage means to me. Thinking "is this someone I trust and love and think maybe we can make it for a while and maybe until death" is basically enough for me, and I'm sure a majority of people who get married at least do that
If marriage specifically meant "being together by contract until we die", then sure what I said would not be valid at all, but that is not what marriage is. Not to everyone anyways. |
