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The only difference between this content addition and others is that they didnt play their big cards initially, omen/unm/dyna/sortie all had very potent upgrades on release iirc, maybe not for every job but majority got a significant upgrade. Players have gotten super used to that over the yrs so limbus is "bad" when this is more in line with how content drops used to be, perhaps slightly better since its JSE so that ensured everyone got something, even if it were minor.

It's not even true since the Delve days. People set up Plasm farming parties to buy base gear and then progressively tackled the harder bosses over time. All you need is a V1 clear on any Odyssey boss and you can progressively scale up to beat V15s. It was intentionally made this way, but there was absolutely no jump straight into V15 with Valorous gear... lol

The poster above is just braging about he's progress in he's newly bought account, just ignore him, he's one of these Elite jerks.

I agree. Limbus would have made sense to me if it came out before Oddy. Or if they introduce super difficult bosses in the end. I dkny get gear for the sake of getting gear. I get gear for the sake of beating stronger content. They made us beat V15 with Reseijima gear, and that was fun. But now we have oddy and sortie gear, so it makes no sense to use strong gear from harder content to get mid gear from easier content.

What's the point in chasing anything? Grinding small upgrades is as classic FFXI as it comes, the game is built on small, incremental upgrades in which people will pay tens of millions gil for another +1STR simply because it's BiS (or sheer epeen)

Either way, it feels like people are missing an important point with Limbus. Maybe +4 isn't worth your time right now, but it's just the beginning and not the end. Say there's +5 and perhaps even augments. Now suddenly you're scrambling to grind +4 and are behind the curve.

Then rebirth

Returning COR player wont be doing 5/5 +4 AF set for Aminon, but Returning WAR player should for sure do +4 relic head and +4 AF feet and body.
Generally speaking almost all WSD gear is amazing for returning players, because it's either BIS or only beaten by R30 Nyame and there is also several great TP pieces too, including some bis ones. The only other easily accessible gear that new/returning player should consider doing alongside is empy+3, but you cant grind that more than an hour per day and V0 clears for Odyssey and farm RP to R15, but that's limited by having access (42 days for new chars I think?) and having Segments. I don't see any other stuff that would be worth doing for armor slots.

You just need to have an angry psychotic breakdown on people.

I am still confused at the assumption that new content means better gear... This game if nothing else has always made gear progression horizontal over the very many years. Which is why a lot of gear is still relevant despite being a decade old in some cases.

That warrior body piece at +4 is now virtually the equivalent to nyame r25, so a player who has yet to clear v20 bumba, or a solo player who has barely done any odyssey, or perhaps not much interest in doing odyssey content at that level, lacks a group etc etc etc... stands to gain a substantial piece for warrior wsd set.

This gear is not intended to replace gear, its simply another option depending on player progression, playstyle and content preference.

Base JSE gear is never supposed to "beat" Top endgame gear, and generally speaking, outside of maybe a few cases or pieces here and there, never has (stuff like skill+ unique job property-boosting gear obv would).

JSE is intended for all players at varying levels, so having a difficult content associated with it is a terrible idea. It shouldn't be gated behind hard monsters and events, because then a large portion of players who could otherwise obtain the gear suddenly cannot as easily. Maybe you don't notice how they made both AF/Relic easier to obtain over the years by lowering cards, making scales drop from trash (so people can completely skip bosses), and dynamis no longer requiring a midboss clear to upgrade to +3 (+2 all you have to do is enter the zone and buy the mats). This is all part of their plan to make older gear more accessible to returning/newer players, likely so they can get into harder content faster.

The people who are good enough to clear the highest level of content in the game shouldn't be bothered that JSE+4 isn't better than the gear they got from Odyssey. That would also be extremely annoying to know players spent countless months clearing the V25 bosses and many hours grinding RP to max out their gear, only for +4 to completely crap on it instantly, and it can be obtained by noobs within a few hours. You should be relieved that they didn't go completely overboard with this and invalidate all of your efforts.

The content isn't even a month old. How do you know it won't scale to "hard" once NMs/bosses are released? Don't forget, Odyssey Sheol & Gaol were first "easy", with Sheol A added first. The top floors got progressively harder. By the time they added B/C, the content level was very high for the time. Gaol introduced the sliding difficulty, and they released veng tiers progressively. So while a content may start out easy and boring, that doesn't mean the final product will be. Look out for Besieged's final product, I doubt that will be "Easy". I would expect the final CL for Limbus to be at least 130 and scale upwards to 150 (If they continue with the sliding difficulty scale thing they have been doing with recent events).

You can complain about the gear and content now because its entry level, but maybe wait until the final product before passing judgement?

If only there were some kind of JSE that just got upgraded which was better than R30 nyame armor in the same slot. Unfortunately no such piece exists. It would be EXTRA funny if that piece were also used on WAR.

Damn, I wish such a piece of gear existed, it would really counter the point currently being raised.

Guess I'll just have to wait for Relic+5 to make this point.

I keep hearing that Limbus is for casuals or returning players but it's a pretty significant grind. Think about how many Temenos runs you have to do to +3 a piece on top of all the work it takes to +1, +2, and +3 versions. If anything I'd argue that returning players are the ones who should "settle" for +3 artifact/relic gear and do just about any other in-game activity instead.

Whining about maybe being able to beat v25 bumba when you already have beaten v25 bumba? I know its sarcasm.. just not very good sarcasm.

If you have rank 30 Nyame the catch up content isn't at all aimed at you. Limbus is aimed at people who have just come back to the game and they haven't cleared any of these hard bosses yet. This gear will give them a bit more of an edge over having the +2 or +3 armour. Limbus also gives pieces that were already BiS, lanun body and feet, a much need small power creep.

Yo... fo sho! Look at how much stronger my WAR will become once I replace my Nyame R30 for Pum Body. Maybe, now, I can finally beat Bumba!!!



Limbus is mid, at best!

In the long term everyone dies.

Considering the studio that was going to make it. FFXI mobile dying is a win for our community.

watched a bit of mrhappy playing ffxiv mobile. not for me, but it actually looks decent. might have been cool if the ffxi one didn't get abandoned.

You could, but most people who bot like this multibox, and you'd be in trouble unless your plan is to upgrade the same slot on all jobs, or waste a lot of units.

Yeah, anybody who dealt with close ones struggling with any of the metabolic syndrome components understands the frustration of seeing them fail to implement the necessary lifestyle modifications.
Heck, my nephrologist friend takes it personally with his patients sometimes, lol.

Humans are creatures of habit. For most people, it's very challenging to change habits, especially the older you get (and the longer you've adhered to them).
That's why having different helpful options is a good thing.

I never really grasped this in my younger medical years. I used to think it was a simple, no-brainer choice for patients: eat well or pay the price with your health. But I didn't give much thought to the fact that I'm basically telling this 50 year-old, for example, to change his breakfast habits of 30 years, matter-of-factly, pretending it's as simple as changing his car's tyres. It's worse if it's traditional food. Some people spend their lives eating no more than 20 (assumption on my part just to illustrate the point) types of dishes. Imagine telling them that 15/20 are bad for their health. It feels like swimming against the current, and most people around you won't be helpful neither. So it was unreasonable on my part to think that way without acknowledging how hard it can be & the need for help & potential for relapse. You and I are fortunate enough to have learned about nutrition at a relatively young age.

I'm sure you understand all of that, I just felt more chatty than usual I guess.

Because stage 5 AF/Relic are going to improve the other stats! The ones we actually care about lol

tf is this amateur talk, if your bot doesn't exit and spend them what are you even doing

30k at a time. Then you can just spend the points and bot again...right?

Seems like I am having a hard time passing my point across. Events that are interesting to me are events that very difficult with big rewards. I'm not asking it to be an instance. It can be an NM I can pop at any time. Like trials.

Yeah, I can play limbus any time. What's the challenge? Why do I care for something that can be accomplished by bots, with rewards that don't even beat what I already have?

Sure, but the point is for sortie you also have to arrange your playtime around your group (wtf 6 boxes sortie) so you can't just pop on for 1hr whenever you feel like.

But you can with limbus.

I think this could be an issue with Lv settings. Does 119 sleep and 130 dont sleep with Shockwave?

To Sechs and Buukki, I agree with your comments. Also, I used sortie as timed event that's easier to fit in my schedule, but the fact that they made the grind huge, not difficult, is where they lost me. They could have kept the hardmode bosses with double the rewards.

Limbus could also have both, you either grind it with an easier path, or you kill something extremely strong and reap a bigger reward.

I still disagree with Buukis take on being able to do stuff throughout the day. I work throughout the day and can only play at certain times at night, and ,again, i think this goes for most adults.

Thw driving force behind ffx11 has always been the challenge, not the grind. Im never proud to say i sunk 6 months into a prime.

This has been happening to me but only on my main character, always him. A lot of times it will happen when I wake my monitor and then go to youtube, the game randomly times out even though it was on all night

I have family members that have undergone multiple bariatric surgeries, and reversal of them when they had complications.

Same family members also on GLP1 agonists. GLP1 type drugs don't work if the individual has too many fat cells - according to doctors - so will not work on its own for certain extremely obese individuals, like this family member.

My concern is with long term viability, and I have always encouraged life style changes and not whole sale "go to the gym 5 days a week" type stuff - I know that is not feasible for them.

I can't speak for everyone, but for at least this individual, they just like sweets too much.

They don't have to eat salad every day, though yes that would do it too. They just have to stop stuffing their face with refined sugar and replace that with healthier foods like fruit and whole grains - which they have a lot of.

For most people money and education is not the problem, just willpower. "But I like beer" I often hear.

Yeah, well, you also have a beer gut so what do you want most, not being at risk of a heart attack, or a cold beer.

Same thing with this individual. Taking GLP1 drugs doesn't make them want refined sugar any less - that is also a drug.

I just tried shockwave a few times against the white pixies in limbus and it didn't sleep any of them despite a high acc and macc set.

That's basically it.

Not necessarily, and what I'm gonna say is in-line with the spirit of your subsequent posts.

Acknowledging your weaknesses and accepting your limitations, and dealing with them in a realistic way is better than idealistic, perfectionist thinking or prideful ignorance. Less-than-ideal solutions are still preferrable to no solutions at all.

But they still require a drive to change for the better, and involve some hardships (money, resilience). Let's not pretend that undergoing bariatric surgery is a walk in the park, pre or post-op. Or that it's a magical solution with no failure rate if you don't watch out what you eat.