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By Dodik on 2025-10-14 19:20:58 |
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I don't think being ML50 makes a difference either way.
They can be ML50 and be great, or they can be ML50 and not know basic mechanics.
I can't say I've ever seen an ML40+ in ambu gear though, that definitely screams "bought account" or something wrong.
Maybe just the group have been lucky to play with, but seen and played with several people that play tank, dd, support and mage all on the same character, or multiple characters, very effectively.
As in doing sortie on a tank and knowing what to do and when, playing rng and being real good, playing mage and being real good. I on occasion play whm for example but don't pretend to be as good as the best whms.
Anyway for OP, I think playing the "hard" jobs is a good indication of skill and knowledge. For me those are tanks, whm, rdm, and some support like brd.
Brd can be hit and miss, you have uber career brds that do everything and you have "bards" that sing then want to afk and get annoyed at being told no, you have to do more.
But if they have v25 clears on tank, whm and rdm or sch, or even tank and a mage job, that's pretty top tier for me.
For sortie IMO it's more about gearing not really skill. Once you know the fights and have geared for them correctly, odds of going wrong are slim.
The niche jobs are niche, you don't see a lot of great rngs because you don't see many people that even play rng much, let alone know how to play it effectively.
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Maybe that's an Asura thing, RMT-bought MLs are not a thing on small servers.
Maybe the small servers are different from each other, but on my small server there are LOADS of people with ML50 who have no idea what they're doing, because they botted and/or bought ML50. We have someone in my LS who's ML40 (or 45?) on a job and has only Ambu gear and hasn't touched basically any endgame at all.
I think the best suggestions for how to show someone is "gud" would be the thing people suggested about clearing content on many different roles. People who are REALLY good but only at a specific job/role don't impress me anywhere near as much as people who can swap from WHM to PLD to SAM to RNG to BLM on a dime. These people are, in my experience, exceedingly rare though. Especially those who actually know the detailed nuance of each job and not just "yeah I have that job, it's ML50 and geared, but I don't have the first *** idea what to do on it"
Everything else is cheesable and frankly, there are lots of people I've played with who have been carried HARD through a lot of content, including some of the hardest ***in the game. While the fights are very challenging, there's always a couple jobs you can throw an idiot on and they don't have to do anything too complicated while you walk their happy *** across the finish line.
If I had to pick something in the current game, I think the most impressive things to me ATM are the super hard master trials (maybe there's only 1 right now?), St5 Prime weapons, and R30 Nyame/all Ody bosses V25 (easy to cheese, but not on Carbuncle).
While prime weapons/Aminon aren't actually all THAT skilled/difficult to get, it shows me that you have at least some social skills to be able to (probably) regularly do well in Sortie and (definitely) clear HM Aminon a bunch of times, which is no simple task. Prime AG are quite uncommon on Carbuncle, to the point where I still turn my head when I see one and I'm surprised, even a couple years into the release of them. |
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By NynJa on 2025-10-14 17:51:22 |
I dont see anywhere in your 0.0.10 code for this to be an opt-out function. Considering this involves the client doing things its not supposed to be able to do natively, can I suggest defaulting this to off and making it an opt-in function? While I dont believe anyones ever been banned for using the 0x016 packet in such a way, there are still some things people may feel less comfortable doing. |
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By Eiryl on 2025-10-14 17:32:26 |
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Absolutely zero shot, wouldn't even pretend to start dreaming about it
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By . on 2025-10-14 17:26:02 |
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After the despair of being stucked in the same point for dozen of hours, now a slightly feeling of accomplishment when I look my char 10lv higher than my past attempt with same amount of gameplay.
This is one of the most fascinating aspects of humans, how they somehow manage to improve something that is already peak at first glance, but repertition shows you were barely scratching the surface of excelence.
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I don't see that comin for Shinryu.
I wouldn't complain! I would welcome it with open arms!
I just don't see it coming though.
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By Dodik on 2025-10-14 17:11:15 |
master trial weapons kind of fill this role.
Master trial weapons only talk about how much time you spent on a fight that only gives you an epeen lockstyle weapon. |
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By Lili on 2025-10-14 16:38:02 |
Not sure if this was to me, but... I can assure you, I'm not Felgarr. lol
I can see that!
He posted earlier in this thread on this same page. |
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By Zenion on 2025-10-14 16:29:38 |
I would re-introduce sub-less/trust-less fights for every job, similar to the RUN + GEO empyrean 135 quests where you had to kill NM solo for mats.
RUN Empy fight
GEO empy fight
These fights aren't hard now, but were kind of challenging at the time when they were new. At least for the RUN fight, you had to know which elements were strong and weak vs what, and the days of the VanaDiel week. You also needed to properly time abilities like Liement, Battuta, and One For All to properly negate (and even heal) oncoming damage. GEO was a basic grav kite and nuke (but still engaging for the time).
Something kind of like Shattering Stars Matt/Balrahn/Pulling The Srings ENM solo fights, but updated to ilvl, with a sliding scale similar to Odyssey Veng fights (V+0 = CL119, v+25 ~CL145), so players can challenge themselves. Reward a trophy, title, visible glow, or an additional tier of merits or job point accessibility based on how high of a level you can clear. Or a unique job-item, similar to "Pulling The Strings" rewards. Track progress on leaderboards, similar to Ballista and VanaBout rankings so people can compete with others for clear times. I think it would be a cool way for players to improve their skills on a particular job by fighting against a mannequin that you need to outwit, and use your job knowledge to overcome. Make it repeatable with no EP loss so players don't feel discouraged for losing, and allow other players to be able to watch the fights live (The Pit/Colosseum is a great place for it).
The catch is you'd have to do the fight solo in a public area just like the RUN/GEO quests (but without a sub, allow meds), not in an instanced zone, so you'd have a bit more pressure on you, but also people cheering you on and able to watch your strategy and see what works/doesn't work. Make the requirements for winning different based on the job (i.e. PLD might need to survive a certain period of time, DD has to kill, WHM has to heal a certain amount of HP within a period of time, etc).
Also, never gonna happen, but i had time.
Not sure this would be a great indication that somebody knew their job unless some really specific stuff went down - like in the paladin fight, you can only deal 1 damage per hit, and are assisted by NPC damage-dealers you have to protect or fail the fight, red mage fight rages if you don't keep enough debuffs up, summoner fight can only be won by changing to a different job - but if there were no significant cost to enter and the reward was only completion (or even a cosmetic weapon like master trials offer, that'd be okay) I could see sinking time into it just for fun. |
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By Lili on 2025-10-14 15:50:38 |
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Felgarr pls
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By sahzi on 2025-10-14 15:35:04 |
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Uhh..why are we even talking about this when the answer is so obvious...?
Shiny Body Glow Aura
Like AG but on your body.
Different colors could represent different skillsets.
White (Angelic) - helps noobs.
Yellow (Golden) - Elite gear.
Pink (Pukish) - can play well while drunk.
You get the idea.
Serious answer? This idea likely woulda been useful 20 years ago. Nowadays we pretty much already know your deal. The playground is hella smaller then it used to be.
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By Carbuncle. Nynja on 2025-10-14 14:36:58 |
It's a stuffed toy, don't worry. |
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By . on 2025-10-14 14:34:42 |
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It's a stuffed toy, don't worry.
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Serious answer here:
- Being knowledgable at something means you have enough information to make best decisions in every circunstances.
- Being skillful at something means you can execute something faster than someone less skillful than you.
- Being genius at something means you can see things at unexpected perspectives, and come up with unexpected but suitable solutions for a problem.
- Being competent at something means you can perform moderately or well at something, based in the above three dimensions (you know how to react to most situations, to perform moderately fast and come up with solutions when needed).
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By . on 2025-10-14 14:09:24 |
I found secret footage of Afania "dog-sitting" Panta.
Gore is forbidden in this forum |
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By . on 2025-10-14 14:08:17 |
I think the last ban wave got Rady and Alfania.
Ummm what do you mean? You need to summon me for me to pop.
But if you summon me, I will throw you into the ocean. It's a devil's contract if you sign it.
Take your pick!
Dang, Alfania escaped the banwave?
I will ask Vyre-kun refunds of the bribery I paid the other day |
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By . on 2025-10-14 14:06:50 |
How Nynja thinks he is evading:
How he is actually evading:
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By . on 2025-10-14 13:25:12 |
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It's okay Panta, I'll still take you walkies. No punting promise. I only hurt non-animals.
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By NynJa on 2025-10-14 13:19:33 |
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When I see someone that cant be bothered to push to ML20, which is a paltry 5 hours of EP grinding, im gonna presume theyre just a shitty lazy player ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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By . on 2025-10-14 13:13:53 |
I found secret footage of Afania "dog-sitting" Panta.
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By on 2025-10-14 13:10:48 |
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By Dodik on 2025-10-14 13:09:35 |
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Triboulex is the next easiest boss to tackle, IMO. Increase your dps and zerg is easy-ish.
Kiting is possible but it won't stop STS. Need to kill within 1-2min (too many debuffs will tank dps).
Someone needs to make a brd, even bonanza horn will do.
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By . on 2025-10-14 13:03:11 |
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Just when you thought it could not get more cringe.. the achchyually comes out.
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By . on 2025-10-14 13:00:55 |
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By enoch on 2025-10-14 13:00:06 |
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This is a social problem, not a technical problem. You're talking about reputation. You can be a good person who plays poorly. You can play great but be an ***. You can be good at one job and crap at another. You can rip people off and jump servers and change names/races so no one will ever know.
The answer to tracking competence is through experience and maintaining relationships.
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By Dodik on 2025-10-14 12:52:02 |
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Don't you think assumptions on someone's ML are a bit presumptuous?
Maybe that's an Asura thing, RMT-bought MLs are not a thing on small servers. Not that anyone high ML got them legit, but they are also not able to pay RMT for it.
OTOH someone that "disappears" for a week then reappears with sudden Bumba V20 clears is a massive red flag to me.
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Back in the old days (he says as his knees crumble to dust... while seated) we had a thing called reputation. This arose because we had to play the game together to accomplish anything, including getting exp (on most jobs). You knew who was good by running into them in exp parties or events and consistently seeing them make good decisions and get good results. Or you knew about them through others' recommendations.
I don't think there will be any non-spoofable signal of a player's quality in today's post-social version of FFXI. It was even somewhat spoofable in the old days: get people to like you by being funny/fun to play with and then join a prestigious linkshell; others would assume you were a player on the level of that LS.
Since we are playing in a mostly post-reputational era of the game, I'm wondering if we don't have much use for this information anymore. The lack of reputational feedback mechanisms may speak to the lack of a need for reputational feedback mechanisms.
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My misfit DNCtank/THF/COR/RDM/SCH/SMN group has made some headway into sortie after returning over the summer, we've progressed from "what is obdella" to at least regularly taking down Dhartok (albeit slowly) and getting the better part of 20k galli in a run. Feels like progressing further is a real leap for us though. Unfortunately we are not very comp-flexible [yet? hopefully yet and not just full-stop lol.] and our lack of good Light SC options doesn't help either.
I think we could definitely kill Skomora (likely requiring Perfect Defense) but that we aren't even close to the DPS needed to manage Triboulex. Leshonn/Gartell sound not impossible and suit our strengths of Darkness SC > MB but I think I'd have to swap from DNC to PLD which would be a substantial reduction in our damage. We do not have Basement H access and I have a hunch we have no business trying Degei/Aita anyway.
Any thoughts on what we could try to do to handle another basement boss? Or maybe just pull more galli out of what we're able to do already? Unfortunately we also aren't great at the mini-naakuals so basement coffers are dicey as well. I'm wondering if maybe Skomora/Triboulex can be gravity'd to outrange STS? Or perhaps I could try DNC on Leshonn while single wielding to limit Counter? Thanks for any ideas.
And if the real answer is 'change the comp' or 'get good and do more damage' then I totally understand lol.
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