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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-07-18 19:46:31
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Red state governors refusing that Medicare expansion totally has nothing to do with the ACA appearing to be failing in red states yet data shows it successful in Blue states.

You'll have to reword that, because that run-on sentence made zero sense.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-07-18 19:48:17
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No pun intended....
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-07-18 20:24:25
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If you live in a state that opted out of the Medicaid Expansion component of the ACA you probably think it's failing. Whereas, if you live in a state that opted in you see that it has been successful.

Thats what the data says but, I'm sure someone with a politicized stance say that's placing the blame.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-07-18 20:27:13
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Interesting article from The Daily Beast, 5/18/16. Just about every Russian in the Trump Jr. meeting appears in it:

Putin’s Dirty Game in the U.S. Congress
The Kremlin wants to get rid of the Magnitsky Act, which fingers some of its state-approved gangsters, and it’s using desperately needy children as pawns.

Looong....

I was pointed to it by this Wonkette article:

We Think We’re Starting To Get Why Russia Wanted To Do Sexxx Conspiracies With Gross Donald Trump Jr.
Not near as long. Warning, dirty words.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-07-18 20:35:27
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Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Democrats will vote for any health care reform as long as Republicans promise to still call it Obamacare. He is their saint. He is their God. Democrats love Obama more than anything. They love Obama more than their own lives. It was his crowning achievement and they will never let it be taken away no matter how horribly it is failing. It is so simple. Just promise to still call it Obamacare.

If they repealed the ACA and replaced it with itself, and called it "Trumpcare". You would be all for it.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-07-18 20:43:35
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
If you live in a state that opted out of the Medicaid Expansion component of the ACA you probably think it's failing. Whereas, if you live in a state that opted in you see that it has been successful.

Thats what the data says but, I'm sure someone with a politicized stance say that's placing the blame.

It's a very broad, very subjective statement. You'll need to show "the data" so that we have a clue what makes it "successful".
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-07-18 20:46:54
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The art of the failed deal....

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President Donald Trump convened a strategy session over steak and succotash at the White House with senators Monday night, trying to plot an uphill path to repealing Obamacare and replacing it with a GOP alternative.

He made an impassioned pitch on why Republicans needed to do it now — and the political peril they could face if they didn’t “repeal and replace” after promising to do it for years. He also vented about Democrats and the legislative process. “He basically said, if we don’t do this, we’re in trouble,” said one person briefed on the meeting. “That we have the Senate, House and White House, and we have to do it or we’re going to look terrible.” ...

White House officials said they purposely picked veteran lawmakers who they saw as allies to attend the dinner with Trump, not legislators they thought were on the fence. But the bill was already on a knife edge, with a vote delayed this week due to the absence of Arizona Sen. John McCain due to a medical procedure.

Trump has privately wondered why legislators don’t seem to listen to him, and the blow from Moran and Lee illustrated the limits of the president’s capacity to master the art of the Washington deal.

“None of the people at the dinner were the ones they should have been worried about,” said one person involved in the discussions.

Trump allies have sometimes attacked Republicans the White House needs to support the bill. He has alienated some senators with his unorthodox tweets and his inattention to policy details, even as they have praised others on his staff. He has sometimes expressed a view that Democrats would like to work with Republicans, as he did Monday night, even though his staff harbors skepticism.

“Why would Trump call McCain crusty Monday afternoon?” one White House official asked. “Because that’s the word that came to his brain.”
Excerpted from:

Trump blindsided by implosion of GOP health care bill

While the president strategized with Republican lawmakers at the White House over steak, two senators were finalizing their statements tanking the current proposal.

Politico

P. S. Tired of all the winning yet?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-07-18 20:56:41
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
P. S. Tired of all the winning yet?

*Looks at the balance of power across the country*

I'm good for now. Y'all can have fun watching Obamacare implode and pretending it's not the fault of the people who passed it.
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By Viciouss 2017-07-18 21:02:16
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Yeah, we are having a great time laughing at the clueless President while nothing gets done and his fearmongering doomsday scenarios don't come to fruition.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-07-18 21:32:19
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-07-18 21:40:34
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Yeah, we are having a great time laughing at the clueless President while nothing gets done and his fearmongering doomsday scenarios don't come to fruition.

Your problem is taking "nothing getting done" at the media's face value. Trump is still winning a number of victories with the Rust Belt on things the media isn't covering.

And what are the Democrats doing in the meantime? Even less than what you think Trump is doing. They've still got a geriatric leadership that nobody likes, they have nothing that even resembles a presidential candidate, they can't win a special election even when they throw historic amounts of money at it and the polls say they've got one in the bag, and they haven't exactly done anything to draw in new voters aside from "Trump Russia derp".
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-07-18 21:54:32
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A treat for all my right wing friends. And the ones who don't like me too.

Poll: Hillary Clinton Is Less Popular Than Trump
Slate, from a Bloomberg article

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Trump’s 2016 Democratic rival is viewed favorably by just 39 percent of Americans in the latest Bloomberg National Poll, two points lower than the president. It’s the second-lowest score for Clinton since the poll started tracking her in September 2009.

The former secretary of state has always been a polarizing figure, but this survey shows she’s even lost popularity among those who voted for her in November.

So many Dems just want her to go away.

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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-07-18 23:00:22
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Trump is still winning a number of victories with the Rust Belt on things the media isn't covering.
They actually are covering his lying about job numbers.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-07-19 05:48:02
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Trump is still winning a number of victories with the Rust Belt on things the media isn't covering.
They actually are covering his lying about job numbers.
What, those job numbers that already have beaten what Obama and his administration has posted in the 8 years he was in charge?

Right, sure, whatever you say Pleebs. How was that coronation again? Did Queen Hillary tell you that you were the queen of the ball that night?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-07-19 07:46:54
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
How was that coronation again? Did Queen Hillary tell you that you were the queen of the ball that night?
Why do you keep saying things like this? It wasn't funny or original the first time.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-07-19 07:50:53
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And I mean all the mining/blue collar job stories he's been claiming to save that turn out not to be true.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-07-19 07:56:46
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
How was that coronation again? Did Queen Hillary tell you that you were the queen of the ball that night?
Why do you keep saying things like this? It wasn't funny or original the first time.
Stop living in your alternate reality and start living in this one then.

Trump won. There's no point in regressing into something where you only see what you want to see and ignore the rest of the world that happens around you. There's no point in living in the past or the assumed future you desperately cling to.

You need to seek professional help. Quickly. Before you lose all concept of reality and fantasy.

Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
And I mean all the mining/blue collar job stories he's been claiming to save that turn out not to be true.
Who cares? I mean, it's better for him to exaggerate than to state that a trillion+ dollar "stimulus" plan will create "shovel-ready jobs" but instead went to the cronies who supported him.

Face it, the jobs are coming back. Not solely because of Trump, but at least it's from the perception and actual reality of a government who's main goal isn't to hurt private business. Something that hasn't happened in 8 years.
 
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-07-19 08:31:25
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Face it, the jobs are coming back. Not solely because of Trump, but at least it's from the perception and actual reality of a government who's main goal isn't to hurt private business. Something that hasn't happened in 8 years.

It's not really better if his main goal is to hurt everyone.
But Trump isn't like Obama. I thought you figured that out by now.
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By Nausi 2017-07-19 08:55:19
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Right! They all pledge to vote against any bill offered to fix it, but that means its Trumps fault.

Its funny, because they have never actually put forth a bill trying to fix Obamacare, but keep making things up and try to blame the Dems! Thats all you are good for nausi.

Wrong again! They passed the bill in the house.

All dems have to do is not be obstructionists and maybe the publuc will benefit.
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By Nausi 2017-07-19 08:56:54
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Red state governors refusing that Medicare expansion totally has nothing to do with the ACA appearing to be failing in red states yet data shows it successful in Blue states.

Oh and the bromance continues:

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/342589-ian-bremmer-trump-and-putin-held-second-informal-meeting-during-g-20

What he president met with another world leader who happened to be his puppeaster?

Well theres no way he'll survive this time. Drumpf is done!
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By Viciouss 2017-07-19 09:01:38
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
What, those job numbers that already have beaten what Obama and his administration has posted in the 8 years he was in charge?

Yeah, thats gonna be impossible, Obama inherited an unemployment rate of 10% and lowered it to less than 5%. Nobody is going to do better than that, and Trump isn't even close to doing it. There is no chance Trump adds more jobs than Obama.
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By Nausi 2017-07-19 09:03:35
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For the life of me i dont understand this point. MAGA has nohing to do with where the hats are made. Absolutely zero.

Buying anything for a premium just because its American only means something to libs who belive in things like minimum Wage.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-07-19 09:12:19
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
What, those job numbers that already have beaten what Obama and his administration has posted in the 8 years he was in charge?

Yeah, thats gonna be impossible, Obama inherited an unemployment rate of 10% and lowered it to less than 5%. Nobody is going to do better than that, and Trump isn't even close to doing it. There is no chance Trump adds more jobs than Obama.

And the labor participation rate fell 3.1%. Oops.
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By Viciouss 2017-07-19 09:17:20
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Viciouss said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
What, those job numbers that already have beaten what Obama and his administration has posted in the 8 years he was in charge?

Yeah, thats gonna be impossible, Obama inherited an unemployment rate of 10% and lowered it to less than 5%. Nobody is going to do better than that, and Trump isn't even close to doing it. There is no chance Trump adds more jobs than Obama.

And the labor participation rate fell 3.1%. Oops.

And its going to keep falling as the baby boomers continue to retire, so what?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-07-19 09:22:21
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Nausi said: »
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For the life of me i dont understand this point. MAGA has nohing to do with where the hats are made. Absolutely zero.

Buying anything for a premium just because its American only means something to libs who belive in things like minimum Wage.
It is currently Trump's "made in America week" and the ironing is delicious.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-07-19 09:24:48
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Viciouss said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Viciouss said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
What, those job numbers that already have beaten what Obama and his administration has posted in the 8 years he was in charge?

Yeah, thats gonna be impossible, Obama inherited an unemployment rate of 10% and lowered it to less than 5%. Nobody is going to do better than that, and Trump isn't even close to doing it. There is no chance Trump adds more jobs than Obama.

And the labor participation rate fell 3.1%. Oops.

And its going to keep falling as the baby boomers continue to retire, so what?

What?!? Are you saying that there are a lot of factors that go into these statistics and you can't just take them at face value?!? Gosh, well, you just keep reporting the ones that make Obama look good at face value and keep your excuses at the ready for the ones that make him look bad.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-07-19 09:43:28
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Viciouss said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
What, those job numbers that already have beaten what Obama and his administration has posted in the 8 years he was in charge?

Yeah, thats gonna be impossible, Obama inherited an unemployment rate of 10% and lowered it to less than 5%. Nobody is going to do better than that, and Trump isn't even close to doing it. There is no chance Trump adds more jobs than Obama.
Did you just admit that the recession lasted 8 years?

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And its going to keep falling as the baby boomers continue to retire, so what?
Then why is labor participation rate going up now? Well, at least up from the plateau that was Obama's "new normal"

How's that economic growth going again? Oh, right, the opposite direction than it was under Obama's 8 year shitfest term.
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