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Ashley Madison was all men talking to eachother
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-08-27 07:49:53
But yes, if one isn't happy with themselves they will never be happy with somebody else
I don't entirely agree with this either. The "you have to love yourself before you can love anyone else" concept is motivational poster fluff born of good intention, but flawed.
I'm not saying it's impossible to love somebody else if you don't love yourself, but if you don't love yourself it will make for one rocky relationship. Personally, if I love myself, I will first do what is best for me and secondly do what is best for us. Lasting relationships don't seem to be built on "me first" kind of thinking but rather on "us first" acting together as one.
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By Jetackuu 2015-08-27 07:54:25
Eh, there's a compromise imo, but eh.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-08-27 07:56:44
Eh, there's a compromise imo, but eh. That sums up in just one word the thing I was attempting to convey lol
By Ramyrez 2015-08-27 08:01:10
Oh, as for the title of the thread and the main topic:
AM may have been mostly men, but let's not forget there was a "female oriented" "sister site" for gold-digging women that also was involved with this hack, iirc.
AM was just a legal business providing a clearly-in-demand service. Yet another reason to prosecute these hackers to the full extent of the law.
But to speak to the specifics of it, the business preyed upon societal constructs decades in the making.
We've raised all boys to think they are entitled to a beautiful (as society has dictated) woman on their arm, and they're "lowering" themselves if they "settle" for a woman who falls outside of that societally-defined version of beautiful.
Similarly, we raise little girls to think they all deserve some rich, handsome husband who will provide for them and treat them like a princess as long as they're pretty and will bear and raise his children.
It's a *** up picture all around, really, and infidelity/etc. is almost a given in a societal structure such as ours.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-08-27 08:35:45
I would like to add however, as I pointed out in P&R before, while I think the AM site was pretty revolting, and I think people being exposed very likely* deserve what they're getting, I still think the hackers need to be exposed and prosecuted because my feelings on the subject are moot. They've violated millions of people's privacy. While I personally don't agree with these people's behavior, it is not illegal behavior, and the precedent set if the hackers are not rigorously pursued and prosecuted is extremely dangerous.
*There are 37 million people here. I'm willing to take with a grain of salt at least a decent-size handful of them are stolen identities or falsely created accounts in the first place. Absolutely, because if we allow hackers to attack those who some believe are "socially/morally wrong" then that would open up the defense that, by allowing such behavior, we should also allow such behavior as hackers disclosing governmental employee's personal information because they don't agree with a specific world conflict that government is in, or Sony's customer info hack because they don't agree with the business practices made by Sony (and by extension, Amazon and their treatment of warehouse employees).
Hackers broke the law, the users of this AM did not. Go after those who broke the law and not those who did not. Simple as that.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-08-27 08:37:02
Marriage is a pretty raw deal for men specifically. Built on antiquated ideas that modern feminism has entiry perverted.
However if Ashley Madison was somehow able to profit on married guys looking to scratch an itch without actually setting up affairs? That's freaking brilliant!
By Ramyrez 2015-08-27 08:42:00
Marriage is a pretty raw deal for men specifically. Built on antiquated ideas that modern feminism has entiry perverted.
Aaaannd we've squeezed every ounce of productivity from this thread and the same ol', same ol' has commenced.
So much for page nine.
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By Fenrir.Atheryn 2015-08-27 08:44:16
Hackers broke the law, the users of this AM did not. Go after those who broke the law and not those who did not. Simple as that.
Agreed, especially considering that there are already at least a couple of suicides tied to the aftermath of the hack.
I'm not sure if that's grounds for manslaughter charges, but it should be.
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-08-27 08:44:38
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »So Ashley Madison was all about cyber encounters, not actual real life stuff?
Whelp, guess it was doing its part to help out marriages then. The AM guys are doing God's work....which God, I dunno. My bets are on Molag Bal's or Sanguine's.
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By Ramyrez 2015-08-27 08:45:23
I'm not sure if that's grounds for manslaughter charges, but it should be.
I wouldn't go that far. You'd have to prove these guys wouldn't have offed themselves had this been found out by their/wives/families/the press via traditional, legal means.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-08-27 08:48:19
Marriage is a pretty raw deal for men specifically. Built on antiquated ideas that modern feminism has entiry perverted. If you are looking at it from a negative viewpoint, that is.
Marriage can be considered a political, economical, or socialistic benefit, depending on the relationship between the two parties.
Now that marriage extends beyond male/female only relationships, you cannot say that it is a raw deal for men specifically anymore.
Love is a concept that escapes you, isn't it? Although I'm not any better in the concept of love, I do acknowledge that it exists and people actually seek it out or let it happen. But to completely ignore it, especially in terms of relationships such as marriage, is ludicrous...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-08-27 08:49:18
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »So Ashley Madison was all about cyber encounters, not actual real life stuff?
Whelp, guess it was doing its part to help out marriages then. The AM guys are doing God's work....which God, I dunno. My bets are on Molag Bal's or Sanguine's. Cthulhu's work....
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-08-27 08:57:46
but I've got a lot of experience Great for you. I still find the specific assessment to be extremely limited to what is a much more multilayered and complex dynamic.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-08-27 09:01:24
but I've got a lot of experience Great for you. I still find the specific assessment to be extremely limited to what is a much more multilayered and complex dynamic. Or you are making it more complex than what it really is.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-08-27 09:02:34
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »account named sombodyloved said: Love is a concept that escapes you, isn't it?
I thought this was comical. Didn't yesterday's Ni discussion not teach you about how much people seem to love me?
You guys cannot seem to get over my magnanimous self. I have to keep hitting you with a stick just to get you to stop loving me so much....
By Ramyrez 2015-08-27 09:05:11
but I've got a lot of experience Great for you. I still find the specific assessment to be extremely limited to what is a much more multilayered and complex dynamic.
I think relationships as a whole are complex and dynamic.
But I don't think it's unfair to say that many of them based primarily on sex and mutual physical attraction are doomed to degrade, sooner or later, long term or short.
By fonewear 2015-08-27 09:05:13
I think a song can answer your questions about love:
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By fonewear 2015-08-27 09:05:48
Love is a black man singing about love to and upbeat house beat !
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By Bahamut.Badstreak 2015-08-27 09:17:17
Marriage can be considered a political, economical, or socialistic benefit, depending on the relationship between the two parties.
Sure, marriage benefits politians, lawyers, economists, companies that produce consumer goods. It doesn't benefit the people in the marriage nearly as much. Of those two people, it benefits the one who earns less money (normally female) unreasonably more.
Are you married? Have you been married? Have you been divorced? IMO you're speaking out your *** without experience. It's not worth the risk, the multi billion dollars divorce industry and the equally profitable criminal justice system are waiting for every male with two pennies to rub together. Waiting with open arms.
Quote: Love is a concept that escapes you, isn't it? Although I'm not any better in the concept of love, I do acknowledge that it exists and people actually seek it out or let it happen. But to completely ignore it, especially in terms of relationships such as marriage, is ludicrous...
Sadly I still believe in love and even in marriage. I hope some people at least can find it and make it work without screwing over the other person. But it's a lot more rare than anyone thinks.
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By Siren.Mosin 2015-08-27 09:19:20
Didn't yesterday's Ni discussion not teach you about how much people seem to love me?
you're a super weird ***.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-08-27 09:22:34
I'm pretty insistent on the value of person privacy, especially on the internet. But, as much as I hate the idea of people's private information being broadcast against their wishes, I am finding it hard to feel bad for these people.
I guess when you're doing something inherently dishonest, being exposed is just part of the game.
As far as the problems with marriage, infidelity is hardly a new thing, it's just become more taboo since the women's movements started closing the gap. Marriage has always been an antiquated institution, it is a legal relationship that got it's origins as a means to settle disputes and strengthen ties. I can't wrap my head around staying in a marriage but seeking outside affection. If you aren't content with your partner, it's time to leave. If you choose to shame yourself and your partner because you don't have the backbone to fix or end an unhealthy relationship, you get what you deserve when your dirty laundry is aired out in public.
A common problem is that people go into relationships (not just marriage) without already being complete people on their own.
If you can't love yourself/function on your own, how can you possibly be an asset to your partner?
This is, as far as I'm concerned, the biggest single thing affecting the longevity of relationships: people NEEDING someone else to feel whole. It's not fair to expect someone to fill a hole like that, and almost surely will be the root of all breakups.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-08-27 09:22:57
come guys it isn't even page 9 yet....
By fonewear 2015-08-27 09:23:40
come guys it isn't even page 9 yet....
Just wait till I tell you how global warming causes people to have affairs. I even have a graph !
To defend AM people are going to cheat regardless of a website. They are just offering a service to make it easier.
It's a business first and foremost this isn't going to Sunday school.
I'm sure people on match.com e harmony etc use it to cheat as well but no one is up in arms about that !
I don't think a site for cheaters justifies leaking private details to "publicly shame" them. What they did is using a wrong to make a right.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-08-27 09:27:33
In most areas of the US infidelity is a crime ranging from misdemeanor to felony. Regardless of this, we cannot allow vigilante justice, and must prosecute all the things.
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By fonewear 2015-08-27 09:28:52
The conspiracy nut in me thinks this was a PR stunt to get people to talk about their website. An "inside job" done by the site for all the free press.
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Quote: Ashley Madison was a bunch of dudes talking to each other, data analysis suggests. Serves those A-holes right, hahaha!
I've always hated the concept of an infidelity promoting website or any kind of organisation promoting this. Coming across this headline really made my day.
Quote: The Ashley Madison hack has revealed a lot of interesting things about the men who used the extramarital affair-finding site, like which cities, states, and universities they're from.
But what about the women?
Turns out, there may not have been very many women. As in, almost none.
Gizmodo writer Annalee Newlitz analyzed the data from the site's user database and found a lot of suspicious stuff that suggest nearly all the female accounts were fake, maintained by the company's employees.
First, the official numbers. The info that the hackers published contained about 31 million accounts apparently belonging to men, and about 5 million apparently belonging to women.
But when Newlitz dug deeper, she found a bunch of test accounts that ended with ashleymadison.com, suggesting that they were created internally (90% of them were for women), and a 350 female accounts for people with the same and very unusual last name.
Then, she found three really damning pieces of data:
Only 1,492 of the women in the database had ever checked their messages on the site. That's compared with more than 20 million men.
Only 2,409 of the women had ever used the site's chat function, versus more than 11 million men.
Only 9,700 women had ever responded to a message from another person on the site, versus almost 6 million men.
It's possible that most of the women signed up but never did anything.
But either way, Newlitz writes, "Ashley Madison is a site where tens of millions of men write mail, chat, and spend money for women who aren’t there."
The site's parent company, Avid Life Media, did not immediately return a request for comment.
Full story here: http://gizmodo.com/almost-none-of-the-women-in-the-ashley-madison-database-1725558944
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