A Realm Reborn 2.55 Discussion (Spoilers)

Thoust art correct. He asks you to take his aether goggles to record the fight with Ramuh only to show up and watch for himself out of curiosity, I just threw him in there. Tataru...I like Tataru and hope it was just foreshadowing, but nothing would surprise me after this.

it's the warrior of light it's a helmetless bravura war and he is equipping himself with the new drg jse armour from heavensward. He's changing job to drg to help defend the city since their army is full of DRGs as they are trained to fight dragons. It's not Raubahn he has only one arm is a lot bigger and has nothing to do with Ishgard. You even see the warrior of lights face in the CS.

You should re-read the post that introduced the idea. It explains a flight of fancy.

As to the rest of your literal interpretation:

OR, it's the warrior of light and is symbolic of his journey into a new land forcing him/her to align with a new power in order to fight new foes.

The fact that you care to note the equipment the person wears before or after is comical. There are HUNDREDS of players that don't have warrior leveled. Are they not going to be able to enter Ishgard because they can't fit your literal interpretation of a trailer?

Wait, to add to the foolishness; are they going to have to level dragoon in order to facilitate the plot going forward?

I'm about 90% certain it's symbolic. If it's literal, it's not the warrior of light.

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My only issue with this is that... Well, it didn't stop the Scions, who as I pointed out could just have easily have blocked our pursuers without fighting them. Even if it was just a cutscene where you put up a struggle/get ruffed up a bit rather than killing anyone, it would have been a lot more believable. Instead it was just "Oh no! Nanamo-chan!" <Teledji arrives> "OK arrest me.", I found it really jarring especially when compared to the polish given to Raubahns fight scene.

Perhaps it was just poor writing, but I didn't even feel like we need to clear our names at all. Does anyone think we're guilty? Pretty much nobody in the game does, perhaps some of the unimportant no-name NPCs at the party though? But did they really listen to Teledji antagonize Raubahn and side with him? Was particularly hilarious when Lolorito claims Raubahn was conspiring with the Scions... The guy who just snapped because Nanamo was killed... Was conspiring with us to have Nanamo killed? That's believable...

I really enjoyed the finale, but some parts of it were really just... Off... Really wish they'd been more subtle on the betrayal rather than Ilberd being suspicious months ago. If he was arresting me for killing Nanamo and betraying Raubahn, and I genuinely thought he was none the wiser to the set up, I'd have gladly gone with him under arrest and it would have made my actions much more believable and given everything much more impact; His betrayal included.

I didn't care for the "need" to clear your name. It was more the fact that if you hope to protect/save Eorzea, you will not be able to do it without political power of some sort. You can't get it from the Crystal Braves, Ul'dah, and the rapidly dissolving alliance

I don't recall the monarchy abdicating power though that doesn't mean it didn't happen. I do recall the split in dynasties and the cover up by the victors via the hildebrand questline. For it to happen without her would call for a bloody civil conflict in Ul dah and even then you can't be certain what the political landscap would look like then or who would be in power and how they would rule. With Nanamo alive and well it allows for a smoother transition of power once the scheme has been brought to light and routed. It has more to do with people just feeling good about her being alive.

So you hoped that, at the moment Nanamo died (presumably) you would have fought? Or are you talking about when Raubahn cuts your ropes?

In the case of the former, you aren't privy to the cs's that have unfolded in the feasting hall. It makes no political sense for you to raise a sword to an authority when you know you have sway among the "alliance" and the crystal braves at your back.

In the case of the later, I got an overwhelming sense of no one knowing what to do. Raubahn reacts. The mastermind behind the crystal braves is absent, therefore, the best course of action is not clear. It isn't until you attempt escape, and no other alternative to fighting is available, that your entourage begins to use violence.

Let's face it, if you raise the sword against the people you sought to protect, how can you call yourself anything more than a Garlean?

Dead or alive, there would still be bloody conflict. The moment she abdicates the power of the monarchy, what stops anyone who is interested in running the show to step up? The monetarists were willing to plan a long, well considered assassination. What leads you to believe that they wouldn't have flexed political, economic, and military might the moment she dissolves the monarchy?

I should have been more clear about a previous remark. There was AN individual that abdicated the throne. Despite this, the monarchy lived on, presumably through a successor. I'd rather not tell you where as it may be a spoiler.

I don't beleive the monetarists are the only ones behind this or that all them support that action being taken. That's why I think that nanamo could be alive. That right now a temporary peace in uldah is there under the control of the monetarists but when the plot is foiled, the true antagonists are found out and the truth brought to light that the coup would be dispelled and a simpler transition possible without an all out civil war. I would think the fact that an assasination attempt in the first place shows they would rather the monarchy not be dispelled in the first place as it would make it far more difficult for them otherwise why risk it? why not just let it happen and then flex their political, economic and military might to just take control that way?

I think the moment they realized that they can't sufficiently control the monarch, they took the initiative in taking control.

But explore this line: assuming the "bad guys" get nabbed, and Nanamo is indeed alive, having "experienced" an assassination and coup, she would continue with her plan to abdicate the throne? It makes everything, up until this point, a loop in the roller coaster. Lots of displacement/work for no story gain.

It smells like bad anime filler except someone lost an arm.

Although, it's certainly possible.

What if this was all just a setup for some sort of peace, Raubahn's outburst was unexpected and Ilbard actually ISN'T a bad guy? It IS possible he was protecting Lolorito because Lolorito was in on a fake assassination or something.

I think that usually, when the audience is to be deceived, it's more effective when the deception is smaller. The only character that we see "in control" of anything is Lolorito. The only person I feel like a credible "It was all part of our plan!" admission could come from is Nanamo herself.

If so, this plan cost her beloved chariot an arm, time imprisoned, the mutiny of the crystal braves, a half-arsed exile of the warrior of light, and a fissure in the "alliance."

It would be a stretch to say Nanamo out-did herself by forcing her enemies identify themselves with these costs in mind.

Not fight perhaps, but at least react a bit more. Given how well done Ilberd and Raubahns interactions were, pretty much all of the PCs just felt... stiff... I don't recall my characters reaction to Nanamo dying in front of her being particularly well done. Nor do I think the following arrest scene was great either. My character knew several months ago what Teledji is planning with regards to Omega, and fairly recently you're informed that he effectively controls parts of the Crystal Braves. The moment he walked in there should have been no doubt what was going on, yet my character didn't even seem to comprehend what had just happened to Nanamo. Heck forget fighting, just giving us some dialog options would have been nice... If Gaius can ask what I fight for and let me respond, I can react to accusations that I've committed regicide... I don't expect "Don't drink that Nanamo!", but some interaction somewhere in all that would have been nice.

Other than that I just felt no urgency in the escape, something which isn't helped come the end when you just waltz back into town like nothing happened. They really should have had one last quest at the end, sending us off to our Grand Company so we can be briefed on the aftermath and current situation. That would have given more closure on events, and perhaps given more justification for the other leaders departure (which I understand fully, but holy crap did it look bad in the cutscene, again, no urgency, they just walked out...). Instead I'm running around putting things together and taking pieces of satire seriously; No Serendipity, actually do that. I doubt anyone would notice at all. That's certainly all I did at that party...

If there was one thing I think would have greatly improved the finale though, it would have been injuring the Warrior of Light; Whether thats through a tussle with the Brass Blades or something else, it would have given the entire escape much more impact for me. Heck, it would have been the perfect time to reveal to everyone that the Warrior of Light has actually lost the Blessing of Light (assuming any NPCs even have a clue what that is...), I imagine you could spin any number of rumors as to why we lost the Blessing, most of which would be quite damning on our part. Send home the message that we're actually very vulnerable and have the Scions save us (what a twist!), rather than throwing themselves to the wolves for no real reason. Actually create some doubt as to whether people think you're innocent.

Other than that I'd have just liked it if I wasn't forced to read pages ahead through a complete lack of subtlety. Almost everything was predictable. Something like Ilberd being a traitor could have been an amazing twist if they didn't flag it so early on and so blatantly, or if they'd followed that up by making that truly seem like a red herring and perhaps even making us feel guilty for doubting him.

You are certainly entitled to your own opinion but what, out of curiosity, made you think you'd get text prompts to choose from after not having them this entire time?

Never trust *** Lalafells (that includes you, Kitty)

So the assasination had nothing to do with her abdicating the throne but they what just suddenly realized they weren't able to fully control even though they've readily admitted time and again that she was a thorn in their side?

She would continue on with it and there really is no loop. They do this to stop her from doing it because it would have interrupted and put a wrench in the plans others had for the nation. What I think you're missing on the whole is that this doesn't appear to be a plot solely by the monetarists. They've alluded quite openly to another figure being behind it all and that makes a big difference in how this plays out. I personally think not all in the syndicate approve of what is going on and instead of openly opposing it scheme in their own way to put an end to it at some point while maintaining the cover that they agree with the actions.

I disagree but yeah lol...

Speaking of them, who's in control of the ones who aren't corrupt atm if Alphinaud isn't?

My inclination is that her decision accelerated their plans. Without a monarch, in some way, their goal was more difficult to achieve unless they were left with the reigns in her hasty departure.

I suppose another explanation would be that it wasn't even about her. It was all in an effort to thwart the scions and she was a convenient second bird to be struck with the stone.

I don't see a large distinction between "monetarists" or anyone else involved. Likely, there are wise souls in the syndicate that don't buy this account of what transpired but we don't have them named. We don't have any info about them. So to have Nanamo return, saved by <New Guy/Girl> that's always been part of the syndicate but secretly disagreed with the monetarists, seems pretty deus ex machina. Especially if the result is simply the same as what would have gone on had she never been "assasinated" in the first place.