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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-01-29 12:58:53
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Obama is the antichrist, wake up in the name of truth and justice guys.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-29 13:00:36
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Obama is the antichrist, wake up in the name of truth and justice guys.
He's using the Fed to enslave everyone, appropriations bills to create FEMA camps, and Hydra to take care of all opposition!
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-01-29 13:02:20
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Bloodrose said: »
Time wasn't the only issue. As has been pointed out, it was also a safety issue, and when safety is an issue with suspects of the terrorist attacks still at large, the timing of the memorial walk as a poor decision.

Again, less than 48 hours for complete security detail, briefing, debriefing, etc. would have taken around 72 hours.

However, along the singular line that he should have gone to pay his respects, He should have gone, or sent a high profile member of his staff to go in his place. I don't think I've seen anyone actually argue this point. And if they have, I might have missed it.
Recently released 5 gitmo terrorists in exchange for a deserter soldier, so they could go back and continue to wage war on the US.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-01-29 13:02:33
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Obama is the antichrist, wake up in the name of truth and justice guys.

He's got our soldiers all over the world looking for something. That something are the four crystals that keep our world in balance. He's trying to overload them so he can take over the multiverse.

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By Bloodrose 2015-01-29 13:06:22
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Bloodrose said: »
Time wasn't the only issue. As has been pointed out, it was also a safety issue, and when safety is an issue with suspects of the terrorist attacks still at large, the timing of the memorial walk as a poor decision.

Again, less than 48 hours for complete security detail, briefing, debriefing, etc. would have taken around 72 hours.

However, along the singular line that he should have gone to pay his respects, He should have gone, or sent a high profile member of his staff to go in his place. I don't think I've seen anyone actually argue this point. And if they have, I might have missed it.
Recently released 5 gitmo terrorists in exchange for a deserter soldier, so they could go back and continue to wage war on the US.
I didn't really follow beyond that, because of all the ***-flinging people did on both sides. Did the soldier have any pertinent knowledge that would have warranted such, or was it a case of "no soldier left behind"?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-01-29 13:15:49
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Bloodrose said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Bloodrose said: »
Time wasn't the only issue. As has been pointed out, it was also a safety issue, and when safety is an issue with suspects of the terrorist attacks still at large, the timing of the memorial walk as a poor decision.

Again, less than 48 hours for complete security detail, briefing, debriefing, etc. would have taken around 72 hours.

However, along the singular line that he should have gone to pay his respects, He should have gone, or sent a high profile member of his staff to go in his place. I don't think I've seen anyone actually argue this point. And if they have, I might have missed it.
Recently released 5 gitmo terrorists in exchange for a deserter soldier, so they could go back and continue to wage war on the US.
I didn't really follow beyond that, because of all the ***-flinging people did on both sides. Did the soldier have any pertinent knowledge that would have warranted such, or was it a case of "no soldier left behind"?

The soldier really isn't the focus of my point. Releasing 5 gitmo terrorists is awful no matter who we get in exchange. To the point of the deserter though, it only proves he was willing to get nearly nothing in exchange.
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-29 13:18:02
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Bloodrose said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Bloodrose said: »
Time wasn't the only issue. As has been pointed out, it was also a safety issue, and when safety is an issue with suspects of the terrorist attacks still at large, the timing of the memorial walk as a poor decision.

Again, less than 48 hours for complete security detail, briefing, debriefing, etc. would have taken around 72 hours.

However, along the singular line that he should have gone to pay his respects, He should have gone, or sent a high profile member of his staff to go in his place. I don't think I've seen anyone actually argue this point. And if they have, I might have missed it.
Recently released 5 gitmo terrorists in exchange for a deserter soldier, so they could go back and continue to wage war on the US.
I didn't really follow beyond that, because of all the ***-flinging people did on both sides. Did the soldier have any pertinent knowledge that would have warranted such, or was it a case of "no soldier left behind"?

The soldier really isn't the focus of my point. Releasing 5 gitmo terrorists is awful no matter who we get in exchange. To the point of the deserter though, it only proves he was willing to get nearly nothing in exchange.
It depends on your personal point of view. But I wasn't contesting the focal point of your statement. I was just curious about the follow-up on whether or not he had reason to believe it was a worthwhile exchange.
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By Bismarck.Oldelf 2015-01-29 13:20:34
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Maybe the Soldier was a Socialist? hmmmmmm


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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-01-29 13:27:03
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An American soldier is nearly nothing?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-29 13:28:47
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Look at that Bloodrose, you got a follower!

Now you are just like me!
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-01-29 13:41:11
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
An American soldier is nearly nothing?

A treasonous deserter certainly is.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-29 13:43:17
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
An American soldier is nearly nothing?

A treasonous deserter certainly is.
Just curious. What did he do?
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-01-29 13:46:14
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Bloodrose said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Bloodrose said: »
Time wasn't the only issue. As has been pointed out, it was also a safety issue, and when safety is an issue with suspects of the terrorist attacks still at large, the timing of the memorial walk as a poor decision.

Again, less than 48 hours for complete security detail, briefing, debriefing, etc. would have taken around 72 hours.

However, along the singular line that he should have gone to pay his respects, He should have gone, or sent a high profile member of his staff to go in his place. I don't think I've seen anyone actually argue this point. And if they have, I might have missed it.
Recently released 5 gitmo terrorists in exchange for a deserter soldier, so they could go back and continue to wage war on the US.
I didn't really follow beyond that, because of all the ***-flinging people did on both sides. Did the soldier have any pertinent knowledge that would have warranted such, or was it a case of "no soldier left behind"?

The soldier really isn't the focus of my point. Releasing 5 gitmo terrorists is awful no matter who we get in exchange. To the point of the deserter though, it only proves he was willing to get nearly nothing in exchange.
Getting people out of Gitmo is a wonderful thing. If something useful can be done in the process, so be it.
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By Ramyrez 2015-01-29 13:46:20
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I'm not 100% clear on this, but I'm pretty sure desertion and treason are two entirely seperate things and he's only accused of desertion at this time, and not convicted of anything.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-01-29 13:47:04
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Bloodrose said: »
I didn't really follow beyond that, because of all the ***-flinging people did on both sides. Did the soldier have any pertinent knowledge that would have warranted such, or was it a case of "no soldier left behind"?

It was a case of not leaving an American POW behind.

Ramyrez said: »
I'm not 100% clear on this, but I'm pretty sure desertion and treason are two entirely seperate things and he's only accused of desertion at this time, and not convicted of anything.

No, he hasn't been charged with anything. So he isn't even being accused.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-01-29 13:47:13
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
An American soldier is nearly nothing?

A treasonous deserter certainly is.
Out of curiosity, have you ever served in the armed forces?
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-01-29 13:49:11
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
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An American soldier is nearly nothing?

A treasonous deserter certainly is.
Neither have been proven yet. An accusation is out there that he deserted the army but the Army itself never listed him as a deserter.

Did you even read the reports on the prisoners they released from Gitmo? Not only that but it's been a long forgotten dream of releasing gitmo prisoners.
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By Bismarck.Oldelf 2015-01-29 13:50:03
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Apparently He went AWOL in the field, was found wondering around looking for Al qaeda. Well they found him and it appears held him captive.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-01-29 13:50:38
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
No, he hasn't been charged with anything. So he isn't even being accused.
He is being accused just not by the American Government atm...

Fellow soldiers have blamed him for the deaths of other soldiers that were sent out to find out what happened to him and bring him back.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-01-29 13:54:28
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
No, he hasn't been charged with anything. So he isn't even being accused.
He is being accused just not by the American Government atm...

Fellow soldiers have blamed him for the deaths of other soldiers that were sent out to find out what happened to him and bring him back.

And they have been debunked. The soldiers died in incidents completely unrelated to Bergdahl, one of them I believe was killed on his way to provide security in an election. I don't know what the Army is going to do about his case, but it will be the US Army that judges him, we weren't going to leave him in enemy hands.
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By Ramyrez 2015-01-29 13:55:10
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
No, he hasn't been charged with anything. So he isn't even being accused.
He is being accused just not by the American Government atm...

Fellow soldiers have blamed him for the deaths of other soldiers that were sent out to find out what happened to him and bring him back.

There's currently a question of whether he'll be formally charged with desertion. Frankly I think he should at least have to go through the trial, even if he's acquited, as it's a very serious situation and to let him go without a formal review of his actions that led to his confinement is irresponsible and sets a dangerous precident.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-01-29 14:03:57
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Also looks like he'll get 300k in back pay too.

Desertion pays pretty well.
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By Ramyrez 2015-01-29 14:06:38
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Also looks like he'll get 300k in back pay too.

Desertion pays pretty well.

I'd suggest reserving judgment until facts come out, but that's probably a bit beyond you.

That said, there has been no decision yet on whether he'll be charged with anything. The liklihood of him doing jail time is essentially zero, but there's still a (probably reasonable) chance he'll be forfeiting that back pay and giving up military benefits and the like.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-01-29 14:07:58
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Ramyrez said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
No, he hasn't been charged with anything. So he isn't even being accused.
He is being accused just not by the American Government atm...

Fellow soldiers have blamed him for the deaths of other soldiers that were sent out to find out what happened to him and bring him back.

There's currently a question of whether he'll be formally charged with desertion. Frankly I think he should at least have to go through the trial, even if he's acquited, as it's a very serious situation and to let him go without a formal review of his actions that led to his confinement is irresponsible and sets a dangerous precident.
Meh, he'd be far from the first person to go AWOL and not be charged with desertion.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-29 14:12:01
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I'm still curious as to what he did that was treasonous.

So far all I got is that he went AWOL. That's not treasonous....
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By Ramyrez 2015-01-29 14:12:44
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Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Meh, he'd be far from the first person to go AWOL and not be charged with desertion.

Aye. But AWOL on active duty and stateside are a bit different, though I think you may underestimate the amount of people who get less-than-honorable discharges.

I wouldn't expect things are going to go swimmingly for him, even if he avoids the major pitfalls.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-01-29 14:13:44
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Ramyrez said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Also looks like he'll get 300k in back pay too.

Desertion pays pretty well.

I'd suggest reserving judgment until facts come out, but that's probably a bit beyond you.

That said, there has been no decision yet on whether he'll be charged with anything. The liklihood of him doing jail time is essentially zero, but there's still a (probably reasonable) chance he'll be forfeiting that back pay and giving up military benefits and the like.
If he is charged and convicted, he *may* lose the back pay. If he is discharged under general or other than honorable (or dishonorable, which is probably unlikely), then he will have some impact to benefits.
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By Ramyrez 2015-01-29 14:13:47
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
I'm still curious as to what he did that was treasonous.

So far all I got is that he went AWOL. That's not treasonous....

Hence my correction of Nausi that he's potentially a deserter and treason hasn't come into play at all, as I'm pretty sure there's slim to zilch evidence or suspicion of that.

Not wanting to be at your assigned post != wanting to help the enemy, except in the eyes of the most delusional patriots (...a group to which Nausi has never really ruled himself out of, admittedly.)
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By Ramyrez 2015-01-29 14:14:33
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Bahamut.Milamber said: »
If he is charged and convicted, he *may* lose the back pay. If he is discharged under general or other than honorable (or dishonorable, which is probably unlikely), then he will have some impact to benefits.

I feel like we're going round and round here polishing two sides of the same coin.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-29 14:18:19
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Ramyrez said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
I'm still curious as to what he did that was treasonous.

So far all I got is that he went AWOL. That's not treasonous....

Hence my correction of Nausi that he's potentially a deserter and treason hasn't come into play at all, as I'm pretty sure there's slim to zilch evidence or suspicion of that.

Not wanting to be at your assigned post != wanting to help the enemy, except in the eyes of the most delusional patriots (...a group to which Nausi has never really ruled himself out of, admittedly.)
Meh, as long as those 5 prisoners released doesn't bite us back in the ***, it really doesn't matter, does it?