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Boehner Wants to Sue Obama (again)
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-01-29 14:18:32
He didn't do anything treasonous, nausi just doesn't understand the difference between treason and desertion.
By Ramyrez 2015-01-29 14:19:51
Meh, as long as those 5 prisoners released doesn't bite us back in the ***, it really doesn't matter, does it?
That's sort of my stance on it, but it's a tricky situation never-the-less. There's always that "what if" aspect that can drive you mad.
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By Bahamut.Nixak 2015-01-29 14:22:39
I thought this thread was funner when people thought the FBI was out to get anyone that disagreed with them made threats.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-01-29 14:22:42
Meh, as long as those 5 prisoners released doesn't bite us back in the ***, it really doesn't matter, does it?
That's sort of my stance on it, but it's a tricky situation never-the-less. There's always that "what if" aspect that can drive you mad. There is most likely greater gains for the US in having them out of Guantanamo Bay than keeping them there.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-01-29 14:24:05
If he is charged and convicted, he *may* lose the back pay. If he is discharged under general or other than honorable (or dishonorable, which is probably unlikely), then he will have some impact to benefits.
I feel like we're going round and round here polishing two sides of the same coin. Pretty much.
By Ramyrez 2015-01-29 14:28:22
I thought this thread was funner when people thought the FBI was out to get anyone that disagreed with them made threats.
Well, strictly speaking they're out to get anyone who disagrees with them beyond a certain point.
I mean, they're not going to knock your door down because you prefer Trident Spearmint to Juicy Fruit.
But if you prefer a nationwide rape and murder spree over not going on a nationwide rape and murder spree...well...they probably would like to have a very strong chat with you.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-29 14:32:52
Meh, as long as those 5 prisoners released doesn't bite us back in the ***, it really doesn't matter, does it?
That's sort of my stance on it, but it's a tricky situation never-the-less. There's always that "what if" aspect that can drive you mad. There is most likely greater gains for the US in having them out of Guantanamo Bay than keeping them there. Thing is, while they are there, they can't attack us. Outside they might, but we will never know.
But if you prefer a nationwide rape and murder spree over not going on a nationwide rape and murder spree...well...they probably would like to have a very strong chat with you. Does it have to be nationwide for them to have a chat with me?
Can it be localized, like within a certain section of the nation (California to Arizona or New England)?
By Blazed1979 2015-01-29 14:35:04
Bloodrose you do know Obama studied the koran in his youth.
That is why he is always trying to appease them. IMO
And the later half of my comment was made in jest.
But the lawsuit is the 1st step to challenge the unconstitutionality of some of his executive orders.
And you being a Canadian Socialist know everything about US Constitutional Law. What putrid abject vagina allowed your father access to it...
By Ramyrez 2015-01-29 14:45:21
Does it have to be nationwide for them to have a chat with me?
Can it be localized, like within a certain section of the nation (California to Arizona or New England)?
I'm pretty sure as long as you cross a state border you're drawing the wrath of Mulder & Scully (or at least their less-supernaturally-inclined coworkers).
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-01-29 14:46:26
I'm still curious as to what he did that was treasonous.
So far all I got is that he went AWOL. That's not treasonous....
Hence my correction of Nausi that he's potentially a deserter and treason hasn't come into play at all, as I'm pretty sure there's slim to zilch evidence or suspicion of that.
Not wanting to be at your assigned post != wanting to help the enemy, except in the eyes of the most delusional patriots (...a group to which Nausi has never really ruled himself out of, admittedly.) Meh, as long as those 5 prisoners released doesn't bite us back in the ***, it really doesn't matter, does it?
4-star Taliban generals
Desertion during a time of war IS treason btw.
By Ramyrez 2015-01-29 14:47:34
Desertion during a time of war IS treason btw.
Only if they intend to join another country's military forces.
By Bloodrose 2015-01-29 14:47:43
Does it have to be nationwide for them to have a chat with me?
Can it be localized, like within a certain section of the nation (California to Arizona or New England)?
I'm pretty sure as long as you cross a state border you're drawing the wrath of Mulder & Scully (or at least their less-supernaturally-inclined coworkers).
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-01-29 14:48:08
Meh, as long as those 5 prisoners released doesn't bite us back in the ***, it really doesn't matter, does it?
That's sort of my stance on it, but it's a tricky situation never-the-less. There's always that "what if" aspect that can drive you mad. There is most likely greater gains for the US in having them out of Guantanamo Bay than keeping them there. Thing is, while they are there, they can't attack us. Outside they might, but we will never know. If they had been convicted of crimes, sure. A large percentage of people that were sent to Gitmo were released without charges.
But that logic (can't attack while in jail) can be applied to every person on the planet.
By Ramyrez 2015-01-29 14:50:28
But that logic (can't attack while in jail) can be applied to every person on the planet.
Yes. Yes it can, can't it?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-29 15:02:16
But that logic (can't attack while in jail) can be applied to every person on the planet. I'm all for throwing you bums in jail. As long as I keep the keys that is.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-01-29 15:04:19
Pretend for a moment Obama is not the President. Pretend it is a Republican.
Checks and Balances.
If the Legislative Branch believes that the Executive Branch has overstepped its reach and is violating the Constitution, what course of action should be taken?
That's what the Judicial Branch is for, to decide these matters.
By Bloodrose 2015-01-29 15:04:55
I'd throw KN in Canadian Jail, because we can rehabilitate him.
And go Shawshank Redepmption for a crooked RCMP prison guard.
By Bloodrose 2015-01-29 15:06:38
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Pretend for a moment Obama is not the President. Pretend it is a Republican.
Checks and Balances.
If the Legislative Branch believes that the Executive Branch has overstepped its reach and is violating the Constitution, what course of action should be taken?
That's what the Judicial Branch is for, to decide these matters. Honestly, people would still be torn on the issue as they are now. Regardless of who sits in the hot seat that is The President.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-01-29 15:08:32
Pass a bipartisan law to override such action.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-01-29 15:10:42
Legislative gridlock and politicking is generally why the Executive branch has power creeped in addition to numerous 'military engagements' that can't wait for Congress to make up its mind.
Much of Congress rather the heavy lifting be done by the POTUS so they can then claim they had nothing to do with it. Party affiliation means nothing. Win/win for pols.
Remember that Iraq vote? How that came to blow up in the faces of those who voted yes? Yeah, people learned.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-29 15:12:17
I'd throw KN in Canadian Jail, because we can rehabilitate him.
And go Shawshank Redepmption for a crooked RCMP prison guard.
I'd throw Bloodrose in a Texas Jail, and give him our form of "rehabilitation" YouTube Video Placeholder
By Bloodrose 2015-01-29 15:14:12
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Legislative gridlock and politicking is generally why the Executive branch has power creeped in addition to numerous 'military engagements' that can't wait for Congress to make up its mind.
Much of Congress rather the heavy lifting be done by the POTUS so they can then claim they had nothing to do with it. Party affiliation means nothing. Win/win for pols.
Remember that Iraq vote? How that came to blow up in the faces of those who voted yes? Yeah, people learned. Learning is over-rated, and a myth! Wake up people!
By Ramyrez 2015-01-29 15:15:28
I'd throw Bloodrose in a Texas Jail, and give him our form of "rehabilitation"
But Shawshank, in addition to being a fictional location, is in Maine...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-29 15:16:51
I'd throw Bloodrose in a Texas Jail, and give him our form of "rehabilitation"
But Shawshank, in addition to being a fictional location, is in Maine... Yeah..........
Sorry to do this to you Ramyrez.....
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-01-29 15:17:35
I'd throw Bloodrose in a Texas Jail, and give him our form of "rehabilitation"
Sounds like the beginning of a gay porno.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-29 15:18:51
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I'd throw Bloodrose in a Texas Jail, and give him our form of "rehabilitation"
Sounds like the beginning of a gay porno. Better watch out, anger has flared up by making homosexual jokes before.
By Ramyrez 2015-01-29 15:19:20
Sorry to do this to you Ramyrez.....
I got the joke.
It just wasn't any good.
By Bloodrose 2015-01-29 15:19:33
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I'd throw Bloodrose in a Texas Jail, and give him our form of "rehabilitation"
Sounds like the beginning of a gay porno. Well, it is Texas jail...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-29 15:21:57
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I'd throw Bloodrose in a Texas Jail, and give him our form of "rehabilitation"
Sounds like the beginning of a gay porno. Well, it is Texas jail... Gay pornos are only allowed in California.
/buzzkillington time
It's illegal to take pictures or videos of gay porno in Texas.
Not saying it doesn't happen, it's just that if you are caught, you are looking at 25 years of jail or more.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-01-29 15:23:56
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I'd throw Bloodrose in a Texas Jail, and give him our form of "rehabilitation"
Sounds like the beginning of a gay porno. Better watch out, anger has flared up by making homosexual jokes before.
Who uses the term homosexual. It's like using that forced 'African-American' line. Sounds like something from a job instruction manual.
I've never met one gay person that stopped me mid sentence, locked eyes with me and said "dude, call me homosexual." If I ever do, I'll retract this statement and pay my fine to the Gay Fascists Association of America.
This caught me enough by surprise to want to post it. It's a post from the Rachel Maddow Show's blog (or something of that nature).
Link first, full post in the spoiler: Boehner's bold new idea: suing Obama again
Last summer, House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) took the unusual step of announcing a lawsuit against President Obama. Boehner wasn’t sure what he would sue over, exactly, but the Republican leader was sure he wanted to take the president to court – for something.
Eventually, Boehner picked a topic – the delayed implementation of an obscure ACA provision — and after a few fits and starts, House Republicans agreed to pay a D.C. law firm $500 an hour, in taxpayer money, to handle the case. The whole thing became quite farcical when the GOP’s lawyers quit the case, followed by the replacement lawyers also quitting the case.
And as that case stumbles through the judiciary, Boehner yesterday began talking up his brand new idea: filing another lawsuit against the president. Suzy Khimm reported that the House Speaker apparently hopes to challenge Obama’s new protections for millions of undocumented immigrants.
Boehner discussed the next potential steps at a closed-door meeting with House Republicans on Tuesday. “We are finalizing a plan to authorize litigation on this issue - one we believe gives us the best chance of success,” he said, according to a source in the room.
The options included filing a lawsuit against Obama over the issue or to join the handful of states that are already suing the president. If Boehner moves forward, he would put a resolution authorizing such action up for a vote.
Won’t that be fun.
On the merits, it’s very difficult to take any of this seriously. The president already has well established prosecutorial discretion, and his actions last fall on behalf of immigrants were rooted in precedents set by Obama’s predecessors. There’s no reason to believe the courts would reject the White House’s policy – the judiciary generally doesn’t like intervening in food fights between the branches – and it’s unlikely the case would even be resolved before Obama’s term in office expires.
Chances are, Boehner knows all of this, but will proceed with litigation plans anyway, It’s important to understand why.
When the Speaker launched his woefully weak case against the White House last fall, even Boehner didn’t seem to have his heart in it. After months of GOP complaints about a lawless, out-of-control tyrannical president, the Speaker’s big lawsuit was about a delayed deadline on a health care policy? It was a laughable stunt, but for Republican leaders, the suit was less about the substance and more about the partisan circumstances – Boehner heard his members demanding an aggressive confrontation with the president, possibly including impeachment, and he needed a way to lower the temperature.
The lawsuit, in this case, was intended as a distraction – by filing the litigation, Boehner could plausibly tell his members, “We’re not just sitting around doing nothing; we’re taking Obama to court!”
The Great Republican Lawsuit, Part II is remarkably similar. Republicans want another ugly fight with the White House, including a showdown over funding for the Department of Homeland Security, and Boehner wants to make the whole mess go away. The Speaker therefore sees another lawsuit as another shiny object – a toy of sorts for GOP members to play with instead of doing real damage.
Will Republicans be placated with a frivolous lawsuit doomed to fail? Probably not, but Boehner isn’t an especially strong Speaker, his bag of tricks is empty, and with Homeland Security set to run out of money in a month, he’s getting a little desperate.
What caught me is that conclusion being drawn. I was expecting the usual frothing attack on Boehner, and there's certainly a bit of skepticism about wasting taxpayer money on this again, but... there seems to be some (rather backhanded) praise in here.
Anyone think this analysis might be true?
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