California Banning Plastic Bags
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California Banning Plastic Bags
I can't count the amount of ***I've "Accidentally" walked out of the store with because of self check-out.
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Problems scanning, slow to respond, the need to tell people when to place the item in the bag, can't do gift cards, if there is no line there is no reason not to go to the cashier. Nice try tho KN, just because you have never had a "problem" doesn't mean problems don't exist. Better luck next time.
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Valefor.Applebottoms said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Shiva.Viciousss said: » Pretty much every grocery store has self-checkout, the problem is, the AI is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE and people just don't have the patience to deal with it. I never had a problem with the self-checkout, so you will have to explain yourself. Most likely user error in Vic's case. Was at Crest the other day and say a man yelling at one to speed up even though it was his fault. Was kinda funny. As for the gift cards and out-of-bag items, I never have that issue, so I guess it depends on the person. You don't have to put everything in a bag. Just put the unbagged items on the scale and continue on. Shiva.Viciousss said: » Problems scanning, slow to respond, the need to tell people when to place the item in the bag, can't do gift cards, if there is no line there is no reason not to go to the cashier. Nice try tho KN, just because you have never had a "problem" doesn't mean problems don't exist. Better luck next time. Having multiple issues with them just shows your intelligence level. Asura.Kingnobody said: » Valefor.Applebottoms said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Shiva.Viciousss said: » Pretty much every grocery store has self-checkout, the problem is, the AI is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE and people just don't have the patience to deal with it. I never had a problem with the self-checkout, so you will have to explain yourself. Most likely user error in Vic's case. Was at Crest the other day and say a man yelling at one to speed up even though it was his fault. Was kinda funny. As for the gift cards and out-of-bag items, I never have that issue, so I guess it depends on the person. You don't have to put everything in a bag. Just put the unbagged items on the scale and continue on. I like them myself, after dealing with people for 8 hours a day, a computer is a nice change. Also, judging by the average person that goes shopping, I'm surprised they can even put their shoes on the right feet, let alone handle a machine. lol, who says I have ever had issues with them? Oh, you did, well that means..nothing. Keep it up tho, its entertaining.
Odin.Zicdeh said: » I can't count the amount of ***I've "Accidentally" walked out of the store with because of self check-out. Thats the best use they have, "discounts." Shiva.Viciousss said: » Problems scanning, slow to respond, the need to tell people when to place the item in the bag, can't do gift cards, if there is no line there is no reason not to go to the cashier. Nice try tho KN, just because you have never had a "problem" doesn't mean problems don't exist. Better luck next time. KN has mastered the representative bias. His experience is the only experience, which I wish was true because he claims to be part of that pesky 1% with all the money. Shiva.Viciousss said: » lol, who says I have ever had issues with them? Oh, you did, well that means..nothing. Keep it up tho, its entertaining. Odin.Zicdeh said: » I can't count the amount of ***I've "Accidentally" walked out of the store with because of self check-out. Thats the best use they have, "discounts." The Target I work at doesn't have them, and mother of god everyone that works there wants them, just because trying to buy stuff on your break/lunch is always a ***. At max they only have one Express (10 items or less) on, and it always has like 10+ people in it. All the time. You think they would get the hint. Pro-Tip for Self Checkout. If there's a lot of people at checkout, and you happen to have a fairly large old receipt, you can usually just "Mime" the process, flash your old receipt as you walk by, and get a free cartload.
Odin.Zicdeh said: » Pro-Tip for Self Checkout. If there's a lot of people at checkout, and you happen to have a fairly large old receipt, you can usually just "Mime" the process, flash your old receipt as you walk by, and get a free cartload. Asura.Kingnobody said: » Shiva.Viciousss said: » Problems scanning, slow to respond, the need to tell people when to place the item in the bag, can't do gift cards, if there is no line there is no reason not to go to the cashier. Nice try tho KN, just because you have never had a "problem" doesn't mean problems don't exist. Better luck next time. Having multiple issues with them just shows your intelligence level. Well they're almost idiot-proof, I've never met one that could deal with a 90 year old grandma who hates technology. My issue with them is that they frequently require oversight from the assistant that has a group to maintain and that person is usually not available for fixin. They have their uses, and under the right circumstances I use them. Otherwise I resent the additional patience I generally need to fork over to use them when that area is busy. I also feel like I should get a discount for using them as I am doing the stores goddamn work for them.
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Shiva.Viciousss said: » Problems scanning, slow to respond, the need to tell people when to place the item in the bag, can't do gift cards, if there is no line there is no reason not to go to the cashier. Nice try tho KN, just because you have never had a "problem" doesn't mean problems don't exist. Better luck next time. Having multiple issues with them just shows your intelligence level. Well they're almost idiot-proof, I've never met one that could deal with a 90 year old grandma who hates technology. My issue with them is that they frequently require oversight from the assistant that has a group to maintain and that person is usually not available for fixin. They have their uses, and under the right circumstances I use them. Otherwise I resent the additional patience I generally need to fork over to use them when that area is busy. I also feel like I should get a discount for using them as I am doing the stores goddamn work for them. I'm sure that Vic isn't a 90 year old grandmother. I never seen a self-checkout area super busy that the other lines aren't also super busy. That's the nature of the store. Asura.Kingnobody said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Shiva.Viciousss said: » Problems scanning, slow to respond, the need to tell people when to place the item in the bag, can't do gift cards, if there is no line there is no reason not to go to the cashier. Nice try tho KN, just because you have never had a "problem" doesn't mean problems don't exist. Better luck next time. Having multiple issues with them just shows your intelligence level. Well they're almost idiot-proof, I've never met one that could deal with a 90 year old grandma who hates technology. My issue with them is that they frequently require oversight from the assistant that has a group to maintain and that person is usually not available for fixin. They have their uses, and under the right circumstances I use them. Otherwise I resent the additional patience I generally need to fork over to use them when that area is busy. I also feel like I should get a discount for using them as I am doing the stores goddamn work for them. I'm sure that Vic isn't a 90 year old grandmother. I never seen a self-checkout area super busy that the other lines aren't also super busy. That's the nature of the store. Well i mean it's a gamble, Do I think the cashier can run faster processing 2-3x the volume than the strangers in front of me at the self checkout line? That depends on the stranger really. If it was vic I'm pretty sure I could perceive the overwhelming sense of victim hood.
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Shiva.Viciousss said: » Problems scanning, slow to respond, the need to tell people when to place the item in the bag, can't do gift cards, if there is no line there is no reason not to go to the cashier. Nice try tho KN, just because you have never had a "problem" doesn't mean problems don't exist. Better luck next time. Having multiple issues with them just shows your intelligence level. Well they're almost idiot-proof, I've never met one that could deal with a 90 year old grandma who hates technology. My issue with them is that they frequently require oversight from the assistant that has a group to maintain and that person is usually not available for fixin. They have their uses, and under the right circumstances I use them. Otherwise I resent the additional patience I generally need to fork over to use them when that area is busy. I also feel like I should get a discount for using them as I am doing the stores goddamn work for them. I'm sure that Vic isn't a 90 year old grandmother. I never seen a self-checkout area super busy that the other lines aren't also super busy. That's the nature of the store. Well i mean it's a gamble, Do I think the cashier can run faster processing 2-3x the volume than the strangers in front of me at the self checkout line? That depends on the stranger really. If it was vic I'm pretty sure I could perceive the overwhelming sense of victim hood. If it looks like somebody who could be described as Vic or Pleebo, I'll just wait in the regular checkout line. Keep it up kiddos, you are just supporting my accurate statement about the problems with self-checkouts. Nausi has already agreed with me, just waiting on KN to slowly get there while entertaining us all.
We already come to the conclusion that the problem with self-checkout lines is the user, not the system like you suggested.
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I have noticed that at most of the large retailers I go to, people jam up at the self-checkouts while a couple cashiers sit there with nobody to service. I frequently am able to just blast through the standard lanes or express lanes while the same people are still just standing in line for a self machine. It's almost like they would prefer the experience of checking and bagging their own groceries just to avoid human interaction.
I don't find the self-checkouts particularly difficult to use, but their convenience plummets dramatically when you get into $/lbs produce, out of bag items, or coupons. No, "we" didn't. You did. You alone.
Odin.Jassik said: » It's almost like they would prefer the experience of checking and bagging their own groceries just to avoid human interaction.
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Shiva.Viciousss said: » No, "we" didn't. You did. You alone. Valefor.Applebottoms said: » Also, judging by the average person that goes shopping, I'm surprised they can even put their shoes on the right feet, let alone handle a machine. Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Well i mean it's a gamble, Do I think the cashier can run faster processing 2-3x the volume than the strangers in front of me at the self checkout line? That depends on the stranger really. If it was vic I'm pretty sure I could perceive the overwhelming sense of victim hood. How many people are blaming the machine because you did something stupid again? Asura.Kingnobody said: » We already come to the conclusion that the problem with self-checkout lines is the user, not the system like you suggested. The system requires a user, wouldn't that make the system broken in design? It's like saying a Hospital would be great if it weren't for all the sick people.
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Asura.Kingnobody said: » Shiva.Viciousss said: » No, "we" didn't. You did. You alone. Valefor.Applebottoms said: » Also, judging by the average person that goes shopping, I'm surprised they can even put their shoes on the right feet, let alone handle a machine. Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Well i mean it's a gamble, Do I think the cashier can run faster processing 2-3x the volume than the strangers in front of me at the self checkout line? That depends on the stranger really. If it was vic I'm pretty sure I could perceive the overwhelming sense of victim hood. How many people are blaming the machine because you did something stupid again? The machines have definite weak points, one major weak point being that they assume a certain level of technical aptitude that isn't necessarily there. Virtually all people come equipped with eyes and hands, they don't all come with computer skills. The machines do a good job of making it monkey friendly, but at the price of speed. Just the security features of bagging individually cause a HUGE time sponge. While the self-checkout machines are generally a test of patience as you see people scrambling to find the barcode on an item, almost 80% of the problems that arise, come from improper coding, or registering of the barcode into the system sustaining the self-checkout machines.
The flipside is, you get people who you normally wouldn't trust with a butter knife creating their own problems (Sorry Vic, I do have to agree with Apples, KN, and Nausi on this) trying to deal with something that the general public hasn't been taught to use. It's just there. If you can spare a minute to watch the cashiers work (at least the ones actually working), you can figure out who's competent and a pleasure while moving the lines along quickly. Just remember though: titties are NOT pockets.
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Odin.Zicdeh said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » We already come to the conclusion that the problem with self-checkout lines is the user, not the system like you suggested. The system requires a user, wouldn't that make the system broken in design? It's like saying a Hospital would be great if it weren't for all the sick people. When it works for most people, but the few who are either computer illiterate or, in Vic's case, life illiterate, then how can you blame the system for not working for those few people? Odin.Jassik said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Shiva.Viciousss said: » No, "we" didn't. You did. You alone. Valefor.Applebottoms said: » Also, judging by the average person that goes shopping, I'm surprised they can even put their shoes on the right feet, let alone handle a machine. Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Well i mean it's a gamble, Do I think the cashier can run faster processing 2-3x the volume than the strangers in front of me at the self checkout line? That depends on the stranger really. If it was vic I'm pretty sure I could perceive the overwhelming sense of victim hood. How many people are blaming the machine because you did something stupid again? The machines have definite weak points, one major weak point being that they assume a certain level of technical aptitude that isn't necessarily there. Virtually all people come equipped with eyes and hands, they don't all come with computer skills. The machines do a good job of making it monkey friendly, but at the price of speed. Just the security features of bagging individually cause a HUGE time sponge. Bismarck.Bloodrose said: » almost 80% of the problems that arise, come from improper coding, or registering of the barcode into the system sustaining the self-checkout machines. I don't remember using the word "failure", but I wouldn't consider them that either, I'd consider them an option that is poorly utilized by people with unrealistic ambition. Just because someone lets you sit in the cockpit doesn't mean you should be flying a plane.
Asura.Kingnobody said: » Odin.Zicdeh said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » We already come to the conclusion that the problem with self-checkout lines is the user, not the system like you suggested. The system requires a user, wouldn't that make the system broken in design? It's like saying a Hospital would be great if it weren't for all the sick people. When it works for most people, but the few who are either computer illiterate or, in Vic's case, life illiterate, then how can you blame the system for not working for those few people? A real system designer would iterate and improve, but doing half the work is okay too I guess. Asura.Kingnobody said: » Bismarck.Bloodrose said: » almost 80% of the problems that arise, come from improper coding, or registering of the barcode into the system sustaining the self-checkout machines. |
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