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By Shiva.Siral 2013-08-31 10:16:07
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Are calmecac trousers relevant at all? On the impetus up set with twilight belt you could swap those legs in and still cap haste with ionis. Wasn't sure how the 2% triple attack fared against all those other stats though.

I've tried a couple of times to use the DPS spreadsheets but it's way over my head.
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By Kyler 2013-08-31 12:21:38
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There are other/better ways to cap haste with Ionis and use windbuffet belt. Whirlpool/Uk' cap plus thaumas body and manibozho in other 3 slots. (Or T.Tekko+1, new skirmish gloves augmented are also much better options)
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By Shiva.Siral 2013-08-31 13:24:47
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Kyler said: »
There are other/better ways to cap haste with Ionis and use windbuffet belt. Whirlpool/Uk' cap plus thaumas body and manibozho in other 3 slots. (Or T.Tekko+1, new skirmish gloves augmented are also much better options)

Thanks for the reply. My wording was a bit awkward in my previous post. Like your recommendation I'm using windbuffet to tp in. When Impetus is down I'm using this set:
ItemSet 312304

In the guide from the front page it has sets specially when impetus ability is being used. It shows the af3+2 body should be worn with Twilight Belt.

ItemSet 309869
(copied from front page)

The gear haste for this build is 28%, so if you switch to calmecac trousers it would be 25%+ionis. So I wasn't sure if Otronif or Calmecac would win in that situation.

I've also remember reading that if you have something like haste samba on(and/or embrava?) the thaumus coat build will win even with impetus up? Gear swapping with impetus up isn't the problem, but I just need to know when which set beats which.
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By Siren.Danita 2013-08-31 16:29:31
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Question I've been asked and can't find the answer to is whether or not Shijin fTP is for all 5 hits or not. Reason I'd like the answer is to determne why you aren't recommending Ele Gorget/Ele Belt since it has relatively low fTP of 1.0625 - an 18.8% gain in two slots seems hard to beat. Thanks!

PS: In your full ACC set, you could be using the MNK JSE cape.
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By Ragnarok.Haxetc 2013-08-31 16:48:37
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Siren.Danita said: »
PS: In your full ACC set, you could be using the MNK JSE cape.
No. Why would you sacrifice 3DA for 5ACC ?
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2013-08-31 18:20:45
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Not that any realistic situation requires it, but it is an option if they make monsters with similarly HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE evasion in comparison to our accuracy(like muyingwa before weapon update).
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By Siren.Kyte 2013-08-31 18:50:47
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Siren.Danita said: »
Question I've been asked and can't find the answer to is whether or not Shijin fTP is for all 5 hits or not. Reason I'd like the answer is to determne why you aren't recommending Ele Gorget/Ele Belt since it has relatively low fTP of 1.0625 - an 18.8% gain in two slots seems hard to beat. Thanks!

PS: In your full ACC set, you could be using the MNK JSE cape.

When you look up the fTP for a WS, that number given is for the first hit.

So for Shijin it's:

1.0625+1+1+1= 5.0625

An elemental belt or gorget would boost that to 5.1625.

However, for certain WS (and this will be noted on the wiki entry), the fTP is transferred across all hits like so:

Stardiver:

.75+.75+.75+.75= 3.0

When you add in both a gorget and a belt in this case, it looks like this:

.95+.95+.95+.95= 3.8

(You may notice that in this particular case, the WS would actually be better off if it had a non-transferring fTP)
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By Sylph.Ice 2013-09-01 01:47:28
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Thoughts on Otronif Harness for Shijin? I keep getting it to win on spreadsheet (no augments) when attack is capped on Tojil.
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By Siren.Danita 2013-09-01 05:14:44
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Thank you Kyte. In that case, I have Gorget or Belt coming out to ~1.98% damage increase (each, roughly). That assumes the ACC they contribute does nothing (a pretty safe assumption due to the DEX mod on Shijin, and given the state of things in general). (In attack capped situations - which ought to be most of them, I suspect that means Light Gorget is better than the J-Torque recommended on the front page.)

Regardless, you've given me some food-for-thought, as I'd been under the impression that all of the merited WS's shared fTP across all hits. I definitely appreciate the reply.

PS: Haxetc, yes, our JSE cape is the best thing you can use in an ACC uncapped scenario. 3DA loses to 5ACC any time you need all 5ACC, and that front page setup is named "Full ACC," not "Full ACC -5". Keep in mind that whenever you aren't capped on accuracy, 2ACC is of greater value than 1DA.

Assuming you're not capped, 1DA can be worth as little as .5% more hits (from 99% DA to 100% DA), and as much as 1% at its best (from 0% DA/TA/QA to 1% DA). Technically, 1DA can be even worse than that (if you had 99QA, 99TA, 99DA and added 1DA, you pick up an absurdly low damage increase - something like .0001%).
Anyway, if ACC is uncapped, the worst it can be is ~1% more hits (from 94% hit rate to 95%), while at it's best it can be over an 83% increase in hits (from 5% hit rate to 6% - and this stat actually gets even more important as you add DA/TA/QA to the mix and may result in even higher gains so far as damage is concerned).
Bottom line:
At it's worst, 2ACC is better than 1DA at it's best. That's why 5ACC beats 3DA in an uncapped scenario.
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By Otomis 2013-09-01 09:35:38
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Are the Mori Delve NMs - Tojil Lv. 120~? Similar to Qilin, or closer to Iga?
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By Asura.Sorseis 2013-09-01 11:32:12
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Tier 1-3 are level 111, Tier 4-5 are level 114, and Tojil is level 120
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By pchan 2013-09-01 12:11:33
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I'm finding 2% crit augments to be better than 2DA augment, it seems to be independant on the buffs.
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By Legendaryhero 2013-09-02 10:01:26
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going with DA +2 on 4/5 otronif
AND
rancor collar
works out nicely
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By Otomis 2013-09-02 10:15:59
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Asura.Sorseis said: »
Tier 1-3 are level 111, Tier 4-5 are level 114, and Tojil is level 120

Sorry meant Tojil 130 according to the XML DPS calcs. Would that make 1-3 121, and 3-4 124? Then tojil 130 I guess?
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By Fenrir.Motenten 2013-09-02 10:51:16
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Otomis said: »
Asura.Sorseis said: »
Tier 1-3 are level 111, Tier 4-5 are level 114, and Tojil is level 120

Sorry meant Tojil 130 according to the XML DPS calcs. Would that make 1-3 121, and 3-4 124? Then tojil 130 I guess?

It's pretty much impossible to determine what level NMs are, since there's no level correction. Any number used is just arbitrary.
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By Otomis 2013-09-02 10:55:25
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I see, so when optimizing Delve NM sets on sheets just use tojil, yes?
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By Bahamut.Lordesequiel 2013-09-06 07:25:06
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Does DA+ aug skirmish boots beat out R15 Manibhozo, same question with legs and head all when acc is no issue.
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By Ragnarok.Shred 2013-09-08 09:19:18
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On the front page, high end impetus down sets use Hurch'lan Sash for accuracy, and by my count, the haste is doing nothing. (32% haste total)

Surely Anguinus Belt would be better?


...Or am I missing something completely?
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2013-09-08 09:21:13
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you should just put lv99 for everything adoulin in the spreadsheets, since some may be adding nonexistant level correction when you put in your made up numbers

if you're outside adoulin or don't have ionis, you need 26% gear haste to cap so hurch'lan is adding the last bit, otherwise anguinus is fine
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By Ragnarok.Shred 2013-09-08 09:24:33
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Been away too long, I had no idea Ionis gave equipment haste!
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By Lakshmi.Krazykozy 2013-09-09 03:34:00
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ItemSet 307465
This is my current tp set on mnk. Now the cover page states that the Otronif Mask is better the the Uk'uxkaj Cap yet the stats on that thing are just too sexy for mnk to pass up.. How and what augs on that mask does it require to pull ahead from the Uk'uxkaj Cap?

Otronif pieces have Da2 on feet da 1 on hands and crit 1 on legs atm
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2013-09-09 03:49:52
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2DA for head
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By Lakshmi.Krazykozy 2013-09-09 03:51:10
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k thnx
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By itchi508 2013-09-09 10:01:24
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Wile under impetus in delve would it be any way beneficial to use Rancor collar? Currently i use agasaya collar for Bosses & Asperity for 1-5. Curious if the +5 crit would put out more? Only thing would be a worry is the +10dmg wich could be very dangerous. I know most people using Ej necklace, asperity or agasaya & just curious what the word is about rancor. Thanks!
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By Quetzalcoatl.Waffless 2013-09-09 10:27:17
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Fenrir.Jinjo said: »
2DA for head


Do the legs and feet have to have DA2 on them as well to pull ahead of Manibozho legs/feet r15 for most things?
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By itchi508 2013-09-09 11:10:59
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Quetzalcoatl.Waffless said: »
Fenrir.Jinjo said: »
2DA for head


Do the legs and feet have to have DA2 on them as well to pull ahead of Manibozho legs/feet r15 for most things?
Feet most definitely as Mani has DA2 on them already. As for legs unsure but would asume so as well. Hands are best even w/o DA augment. As Rest of set i belive needs DA% to pull ahead. Once DA on all u can 4/5 Otronif for Tp set. & keep Thaumas coat on unless Otron beats thaumas? I dont belive it does tho
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By Valefor.Mattyc 2013-09-09 11:27:44
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idk if swapping otronif pants for mani pants is best idea, the DA+2 that much better than the acc and attack mani legs provide? thats 30 solid attack and attack carried over from the STR, kinda debate that a little, 20 more attack and 10 more acc and there also isnt any DEX on otronif, anyone have spreadsheet showing the difference, would be appreciated!
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2013-09-09 11:29:33
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I switch between them depending on my buffs and what I'm fighting. A full switch likely isn't worth it though, keep both. Still a lot of stuff where atk and acc is actually an issue for me.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Waffless 2013-09-09 11:29:44
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itchi508 said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Waffless said: »
Fenrir.Jinjo said: »
2DA for head


Do the legs and feet have to have DA2 on them as well to pull ahead of Manibozho legs/feet r15 for most things?
Feet most definitely as Mani has DA2 on them already. As for legs unsure but would asume so as well. Hands are best even w/o DA augment. As Rest of set i belive needs DA% to pull ahead. Once DA on all u can 4/5 Otronif for Tp set. & keep Thaumas coat on unless Otron beats thaumas? I dont belive it does tho

I was thinking the same thing. I tried 3/5(head/hands/legs) with mani 15 feet and got embarrassed on a Tojil parse. Since I'm 0/12 on +2 for hands I'll just forget the rest of the set for now and use hands, uk head, thaumas coat, mani legs/feet combo again for now.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Waffless 2013-09-09 11:30:56
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Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
I switch between them depending on my buffs and what I'm fighting. A full switch likely isn't worth it though, keep both. Still a lot of stuff where atk and acc is actually an issue for me.

Do you have double attack 2 on all your pieces? I assume the 4/5 set wins when attack capped?
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