Patch 1.18
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Patch 1.18
DONE!
the penalty for returning when KOed is WAY too high...
Bismarck.Rellz said: the penalty for returning when KOed is WAY too high... The +-1 inventory for repair mats mad up for that! Update is very gatherer friendly. just got 2200 from a r30 leve at 31 fisher. was getting around 400-1000 on grade 5 also
I would advise against using the manuals from the grand companies unless you are really desperate for SP. gives a +50% boost to SP for 3 hours or what appears to be a 5k bonus SP cap Ramuh.Krizz said: What is the KO penalty now? Quote: [dev1091] KO penalties have been adjusted. Weakness Players who are raised will be afflicted with the Weakness status, which has the following negative effects: 25% HP reduction 25% MP reduction Brink of Death Players who are KO’d when under the effect of Weakness and are subsequently raised will be subjected to the Brink of Death status, which inflicts the following negative effects: 50% HP reduction 50% MP reduction 50% attack power reduction 50% magic potency reduction 50% defense reduction 50% magic defense reduction Return A further penalty will apply to equipment durability for players who revive themselves via the Return command. [dev1032] The following conjurer-specific spells have been introduced: Raise II Restore the breath of life, reviving a KO’d target. Weakness and Brink of Death effects last for 1 minute. Learned: Conjurer, Rank 38 Cast Time: 10 sec. Recast Time: 2.5 min. / MP Cost: 186 / Action Bar Cost: 2 Rebirth Restore the breath of life, reviving a KO’d target. Target suffers no Weakness or Brink of Death effects. Learned: Conjurer, Rank 50 Cast Time: 10 sec. Recast Time: 30 min. / MP Cost: 231 / Action Bar Cost: 2 I haven't actually looked at the penalty to durability by returning, but I'm estimating it somewhere around 10-15% i actually like the new penalties, i actually feel like i don't wanna die now. In XI, when exp was still a pain to get, i practically avoided death like it would actually kill me XD also nice a lot more people have access to raise
Bismarck.Patrik said: i actually like the new penalties, i actually feel like i don't wanna die now. In XI, when exp was still a pain to get, i practically avoided death like it would actually kill me XD also nice a lot more people have access to raise Valefor.Slipispsycho said: Ramuh.Krizz said: What is the KO penalty now? Quote: [dev1091] KO penalties have been adjusted. Weakness Players who are raised will be afflicted with the Weakness status, which has the following negative effects: 25% HP reduction 25% MP reduction Brink of Death Players who are KO’d when under the effect of Weakness and are subsequently raised will be subjected to the Brink of Death status, which inflicts the following negative effects: 50% HP reduction 50% MP reduction 50% attack power reduction 50% magic potency reduction 50% defense reduction 50% magic defense reduction Return A further penalty will apply to equipment durability for players who revive themselves via the Return command. [dev1032] The following conjurer-specific spells have been introduced: Raise II Restore the breath of life, reviving a KO’d target. Weakness and Brink of Death effects last for 1 minute. Learned: Conjurer, Rank 38 Cast Time: 10 sec. Recast Time: 2.5 min. / MP Cost: 186 / Action Bar Cost: 2 Rebirth Restore the breath of life, reviving a KO’d target. Target suffers no Weakness or Brink of Death effects. Learned: Conjurer, Rank 50 Cast Time: 10 sec. Recast Time: 30 min. / MP Cost: 231 / Action Bar Cost: 2 I haven't actually looked at the penalty to durability by returning, but I'm estimating it somewhere around 10-15% it appears to be about a 10% loss to all gear for NQ gear and about 7-8% if the gear is HQ I don't like how some of my physical moves to engage battle requires Mp.
Improvements or not still made me yawn after a few hours of playing. I still stand by my comments that repairs should be removed completely from the game. I want my performance of weapons and combat to be 100% and not be gimped based on reduction of weapon duration. Leveling is now twice as tedious and much harder than FFXI's way of leveling. A party would be a much faster pace but everyone seems to want to go their own way solo'ing. Before experience points was adjusted, getting SP burns in party was more productive but now it's turning into XI style. (I blame myself not playing multiple jobs getting the advantage). Fouluryu said: Leveling is now twice as tedious and much harder than FFXI's way of leveling. A party would be a much faster pace but everyone seems to want to go their own way solo'ing. Before experience points was adjusted, getting SP burns in party was more productive but now it's turning into XI style. (I blame myself not playing multiple jobs getting the advantage). This is untrue. If anything, SP parties are far more productive than levelinking or even raptor parties. There are tradional "pull camps" as well. You're problem isn't with the game, it is with the community on your server. Fouluryu said: I don't like how some of my physical moves to engage battle requires Mp. Improvements or not still made me yawn after a few hours of playing. I still stand by my comments that repairs should be removed completely from the game. I want my performance of weapons and combat to be 100% and not be gimped based on reduction of weapon duration. Welcome to more realistic MMOs. Leveling is now twice as tedious and much harder than FFXI's way of leveling. A party would be a much faster pace but everyone seems to want to go their own way solo'ing. Before experience points was adjusted, getting SP burns in party was more productive but now it's turning into XI style. (I blame myself not playing multiple jobs getting the advantage). Played a bit today, I enjoyed what I played.
I liked the previous setup of getting SP by hitting the monsters instead of just killing them for exp. There are only a few servers that have a productive population in wanting to do stuff as a group on shout. Not every other server are fortunate with a population now atm, which I would suggest SE to just merge servers for the time being since the game is still beta.
As for the comment "Welcome to more realistic MMos." no it's not. You might be getting 400-500 exp but the expectation bar is still higher than XI's bar to getting to the next level. Game still lacks content, zones, additional jobs, auction house, & a proper search function. Fouluryu said: Improvements or not still made me yawn after a few hours of playing. Fouluryu said: Leveling is now twice as tedious and much harder than FFXI's way of leveling. A party would be a much faster pace but everyone seems to want to go their own way solo'ing. Before experience points was adjusted, getting SP burns in party was more productive but now it's turning into XI style. (I blame myself not playing multiple jobs getting the advantage). Fouluryu said: I liked the previous setup of getting SP by hitting the monsters instead of just killing them for exp. Fouluryu said: auction house, & a proper search function. At this point I'm kind of convinced he is just whining to whine. lol Fouluryu said: I liked the previous setup of getting SP by hitting the monsters instead of just killing them for exp. There are only a few servers that have a productive population in wanting to do stuff as a group on shout. Not every other server are fortunate with a population now atm, which I would suggest SE to just merge servers for the time being since the game is still beta. As for the comment "Welcome to more realistic MMos." no it's not. You might be getting 400-500 exp but the expectation bar is still higher than XI's bar to getting to the next level. Game still lacks content, zones, additional jobs, auction house, & a proper search function. Here, let me get you some water to wash the sand out of your va... Honestly, bud - your roody-poo-candyass is citing stuff that was altered after the first 6 weeks of gameplay. Clearly you lack the congnitive thought processes required to understand why the following the formula is unbalanced: Hit mob -> gain SP
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Yves said: Fouluryu said: I liked the previous setup of getting SP by hitting the monsters instead of just killing them for exp. There are only a few servers that have a productive population in wanting to do stuff as a group on shout. Not every other server are fortunate with a population now atm, which I would suggest SE to just merge servers for the time being since the game is still beta. As for the comment "Welcome to more realistic MMos." no it's not. You might be getting 400-500 exp but the expectation bar is still higher than XI's bar to getting to the next level. Game still lacks content, zones, additional jobs, auction house, & a proper search function. Here, let me get you some water to wash the sand out of your va... Honestly, bud - your roody-poo-candyass is citing stuff that was altered after the first 6 weeks of gameplay. Clearly you lack the congnitive thought processes required to understand why the following the formula is unbalanced: Hit mob -> gain SP *** EL OH EL Yves said: Fouluryu said: I liked the previous setup of getting SP by hitting the monsters instead of just killing them for exp. There are only a few servers that have a productive population in wanting to do stuff as a group on shout. Not every other server are fortunate with a population now atm, which I would suggest SE to just merge servers for the time being since the game is still beta. As for the comment "Welcome to more realistic MMos." no it's not. You might be getting 400-500 exp but the expectation bar is still higher than XI's bar to getting to the next level. Game still lacks content, zones, additional jobs, auction house, & a proper search function. Here, let me get you some water to wash the sand out of your va... Honestly, bud - your roody-poo-candyass is citing stuff that was altered after the first 6 weeks of gameplay. Clearly you lack the congnitive thought processes required to understand why the following the formula is unbalanced: Hit mob -> gain SP Harsh aren't we? Then again, maybe it's players such as yourself that can't even rationalize or communicate properly to others. I have some liver you could put in that va... Your man wont even tell the difference. But in any case, I don't see how you + two other people insulting me over my opinion, or everyone else in this thread that have shared their two cents, & that there are several things wrong with the game. I don't blame you for being an obnoxious troll, but I say what's on my mind. Not everyone is going to join the bandwangon & not everyone is going to want the same perspective as yours. Again, I don't see you putting your insults on any other person in this thread regarding other's reflection of Square Enix's patch, but only me. With that being said, I'll just post my debate over the Square Enix forum page. I don't like the experience points & it's twice longer than XI's requirement to level. I will not change my opinion. Xeonerable said: At this point I'm kind of convinced he is just whining to whine. lol So has several other players persuading change to XIV. Anything I read from you is nothing but whatever's left in your trolling mind. If not having an Auction House is really that big of a deal to you (not just you particularly, it's a general statement) then please, by all means, stay away from the game.. There will no doubt be one long list of impossible to fulfill ideas of what you think the game needs, even if they gave you half of it, you'd still *** you didn't get the other half.
Psycho Slip said: If not having an Auction House is really that big of a deal to you (not just you particularly, it's a general statement) then please, by all means, stay away from the game.. There will no doubt be one long list of impossible to fulfill ideas of what you think the game needs, even if they gave you half of it, you'd still *** you didn't get the other half. And here we go, the "don't play this game" comment. The game is in beta, Square Enix is taking several feed back, & valid discussions to build the game to a suitable atmosphere. In fact, I was even the one to enforce the idea of 999 items and raise archer ammo capacity, so don't you tell me what I can say & can't say. Seriously, a pseudo intellectual argument siding with one another over game difference? I just don't know why would you want twice the amount of time to gain next level in XIV. Fouluryu said: Leveling is now twice as tedious and much harder than FFXI's way of leveling. A party would be a much faster pace but everyone seems to want to go their own way solo'ing. Before experience points was adjusted, getting SP burns in party was more productive but now it's turning into XI style. Fouluryu said: I liked the previous setup of getting SP by hitting the monsters instead of just killing them for exp. Fouluryu said: auction house, & a proper search function. Fouluryu said: In fact, I was even the one to enforce the idea of 999 items and raise archer ammo capacity, so don't you tell me what I can say & can't say. The "trolling" comment trying to blow people off sounds like you've got nothing to retort. Firstly, I have played alpha, beta and "beta phase 2" of XIV. Having said that;
I have to agree that the lack of an AH is one of the reasons, but far from the only, I have no wish to pay for it. The mentality that they have taken seems to bank on initial novelty, but takes forever to do anything. The AH system, for example, requires that you step through three phases before you can actually buy your item. It's novel at first and some could argue more realistic in the setting it is placed, but it still means you are wasting time. Equally, crafting is painfully slow - but novel to begin with. The actual act of crafting is just too long, the recipes also need far too many steps. These fall into things you will be doing/using hundreds if not thousands of times in your XIV life, so the entire process should be highly refined. In the end, every time I tried XIV, I felt that game actually got in the way of the act of trying to enjoy it. The exception being the mining/harvesting, which I found pretty enjoyable, even after the initial novelty wore off. Disclaimer: I have not seen the most recent patches, if they have magically fixed all the issues, feel free to ignore this. /Backtolurking. Phoenix.Tyr said: The AH system, for example, requires that you step through three phases before you can actually buy your item. It's novel at first and some could argue more realistic in the setting it is placed, but it still means you are wasting time. Equally, crafting is painfully slow - but novel to begin with. The actual act of crafting is just too long, the recipes also need far too many steps. These fall into things you will be doing/using hundreds if not thousands of times in your XIV life, so the entire process should be highly refined. How the market wards is now is a lot better than it used to be at launch. Having to search the wards for like an hour and come up with nothing. At least now you can search it, mark whatever retainer is holding it, and go straight to it. It went from having to spend 1+ hours in the wards to at least 2 minutes or more. It still could use a little more refinement but currently its barely any slower than an AH would be. but yes... crafting is still kind of painfully slow. XD I believe it is what they plan on refining next. thankfully. Phoenix.Tyr said: /Backtolurking. Xeonerable said: Fouluryu said: Leveling is now twice as tedious and much harder than FFXI's way of leveling. A party would be a much faster pace but everyone seems to want to go their own way solo'ing. Before experience points was adjusted, getting SP burns in party was more productive but now it's turning into XI style. Fouluryu said: I liked the previous setup of getting SP by hitting the monsters instead of just killing them for exp. Fouluryu said: auction house, & a proper search function. Fouluryu said: In fact, I was even the one to enforce the idea of 999 items and raise archer ammo capacity, so don't you tell me what I can say & can't say. The "trolling" comment trying to blow people off sounds like you've got nothing to retort. Maximizing items to 999 and increasing ammo was originally my idea. Go look at my lodestone blog post. However, the encouragement to convince Square Enix to do this wasn't by me alone but to others as well to step up and make it up. This idea was improvised for the love of being a ranger like in XI. If SP gaining from hitting the monsters rather than killing it was bad, maybe you'd like to explain the fascination of several players already having more than one job already at 50. I played multiple jobs on here before the SP adjustment (into death exp) and now it feels much slower than before, & that's just really my opinion. Even in behest/solo/leve quest I'm still getting 400-500 per monster, even with guardian sig on. The only logical idea the adjustment was made so that every other player would gain the experience points from the death of the monster, & and I understand that. I'm only mentioning it's much slower getting to the next level as of now than XI, & I'm currently lv 33. Crafting is slow but not as bad or complicated from the past. Lag was a major issue & loading speed for the next craft materials inserted made it a pure breeze. I don't see how the auction house would be so bad having it. It takes me a few minutes looking up the item and buying it. The only complaint if anything was the tax. WE STILL HAVE TAXES (Surplus) when we bazaar stuff in IV also, so the only difference is there is very little control with economy of items. My problem with original "getting sp for hitting the monster" was that it was so buggy. I remember being in parties and fighting stuff way above our levels and hardly ever getting skill-ups from most fights. At least the exp system as it is now guarantees you do get sp for fighting it and not wasting your time. (depending on the level difference of course)
There are some good open-world party exp camps if you know where to go. The SP you can get from them is good and has remained unchanged. The higher MP cost of cures it kind of forcing people to go into parties to exp. If you look around the zones there has been a lot of monster placement changes. More camp spot opportunities. Yet what really needs to be done is to fix the Party Search function to make that type of leveling more effective. The game just seems different now because they made guildleves not the main focus for parties to exp. That original way of gaining SP was bad.
Mage #1: "HURT YOURSELVES MORE SO I CAN HEAL YOU AND GET SP" Mage #2: "#### you Mage #1 for curing everyone nonstop and not giving me a chance" "Don't attack too much party member #3! I want SP too!" "Don't kill it so fast!" "Let it regen!" (Days of insta-regen) That was a mess I never want to see again. Petori said: That original way of gaining SP was bad. Mage #1: "HURT YOURSELVES MORE SO I CAN HEAL YOU AND GET SP" Mage #2: "#### you Mage #1 for curing everyone nonstop and not giving me a chance" "Don't attack too much party member #3! I want SP too!" "Don't kill it so fast!" "Let it regen!" (Days of insta-regen) That was a mess I never want to see again. Fouluryu said: Psycho Slip said: If not having an Auction House is really that big of a deal to you (not just you particularly, it's a general statement) then please, by all means, stay away from the game.. There will no doubt be one long list of impossible to fulfill ideas of what you think the game needs, even if they gave you half of it, you'd still *** you didn't get the other half. And here we go, the "don't play this game" comment. The game is in beta, Square Enix is taking several feed back, & valid discussions to build the game to a suitable atmosphere. In fact, I was even the one to enforce the idea of 999 items and raise archer ammo capacity, so don't you tell me what I can say & can't say. Seriously, a pseudo intellectual argument siding with one another over game difference? I just don't know why would you want twice the amount of time to gain next level in XIV. If it's that big of a problem to you, I certainly don't wanna play with you (and like I said it was a generalized statement, yes it applies to you as well, but it applies to everyone who makes a big deal out of not having an AH) because I've been in LS's and played with plenty of people who complain about no AH, all they do, all they do is *** and complain about everything.. This isn't about personal opinion, it's about the attitude pretty much everyone I've ever came across that has a problem with no AH exhibits. Pure negativity.. There is no end to the complaining. |
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