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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-04-13 22:32:38
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Ifrit.Ravahan said:
Its extremely unlikely unless there's a major problem with your power supply (as in supplying way too much juice) that you're hitting the temperature threshold in 10 seconds.

Your computer should beep when it turns on. Its a diagnostic tool called POST and should work unless the PC is completely dead (or I guess your mobo speakers could blow but I've never seen that). Next time you boot it pay close attention to any beeps coming from the case. If the PC is enclosed in a desk, take it out to hear the beeps more clearly. POST codes vary by manufacturer.

Another way to test and see if its a thermal issue is to enter your BIOS (which you access pre-operating system) and just kind of sit there for a while. Some BIOS even have a thermometer included. If the PC cuts off after a short time, as before, then you can safely conclude its an overheating issue. Most BIOS can be accessed by tapping F2 as you're turning on your computer. If you do it too quickly your system will think you have a defective keyboard, so keep it about once per second or so.

Either way, if you've got a noisy fan I'd suggest replacing it. You can get a new CPU fan dirt cheap. There are also some excellent CPU cooling options out there if you want to pay a little more. www.newegg.com is a good spot to check, or www.pricewatch.com. As was suggested by a previous poster, if you decide to replace your heat sink (the metal thingie the fan was attatched to) you'll probably want to grab a tube of thermal paste to go with it.

If your computer doesn't shut down while sitting around in BIOS, I'd suggest downloading, burning and popping in an Ubuntu Live CD. Ubuntu is a version of Linux, totally free operating system (no illegal piracy involved). You can use the Ubuntu Live CD to boot to a sort of virtual operating system hosted in your RAM. You can surf the web and even install programs into the virtual OS and everything (though note that since it is a virtual OS, it'll go away when you reboot). It will make no changes to your computer unless you manually mount your hard drive. If that works, then you may simply have a problem with Vista or (as other posters have suggested) a faulty hard drive. If it is the hard drive, POST should be able to communicate that to you.

If you decide you like Ubuntu you can install it along side Vista without formatting your computer using the partition editor (included on the disk) after defragmenting your hard drive in Windows.

Have you installed any new hardware or software lately? Any updates to Vista? Any new drivers for existing hardware? Finally, did the fan start getting noisey when this happened or was it already loud?

Thank you, I can't see the CPU getting that hot within boot up time unless his PSU is severely ***.

Also nice slide in with Ubuntu there :P
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By Ifrit.Ravahan 2010-04-13 22:35:20
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Caitsith.Blurr said:
also should mention its nearly impossible to find JUST the fans with out the heatsinc.. so dont bother trying, you wouldnt save much anyway if you did find em.

Your best bet on that is your local Mom & Pop computer repair shop. Yellowpages.com
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By Caitsith.Blurr 2010-04-13 22:35:26
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Siren.Enternius said:
It may seem weird, but the thing that fixed my computer when I had a similar problem, was just disconnecting the main fan and taking it out. I left my computer's case open during boot, and it ran fine.

To this day, I still didn't reconnect the fan or close the case again. Which probably isn't good for my computer. Regardless, it still works and I'm getting a new laptop soon so, idk.


not sure what you mean by main fan, but it definitely wasnt the cpu heatsinc fan... a computer wouldnt even turn on with out it..

im assuming you just mean one of the main CASE fans, which would be no big thing at all. in all actuality you can mount a motherboard to a piece of wood and just let all the hardware lay on a table next to it. long as the cpu had its heatsinc/fan on, everything would run np. and probably for a very long time. the only thing a case / case fans does is "help". having a good open airflow across key parts will definitely contribute to their lifetimes longevity, but definitely not NEEEDED. another big misconception is dust.. a lot of people think that dust on hardware is conducive for problems or directly ruins computers.. the dust its self wont hurt anything, but it DOES congest and clog up air flow. parts getting hot over time just degrade and with out the proper airflow, the degradation can be anyway from super fast to non existent. all comes down to parts/component quality and luck in the end.

a computer could be brand new and have a part crap out within weeks of buying. just as easily/unexpectedly, a 10 y/o computer thats had its case sides/fans off for the last decade, and/or not been dusted once, may live another decade with out a problem.

imo its mostly just luck.. ive had plenty of premium parts crap out for no rhyme or reason and just as well have had budget parts last forever. vise versa and everything in between too <.>
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By Caitsith.Blurr 2010-04-13 22:36:58
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Shiva.Flionheart said:
Ifrit.Ravahan said:
Its extremely unlikely unless there's a major problem with your power supply (as in supplying way too much juice) that you're hitting the temperature threshold in 10 seconds.

Your computer should beep when it turns on. Its a diagnostic tool called POST and should work unless the PC is completely dead (or I guess your mobo speakers could blow but I've never seen that). Next time you boot it pay close attention to any beeps coming from the case. If the PC is enclosed in a desk, take it out to hear the beeps more clearly. POST codes vary by manufacturer.

Another way to test and see if its a thermal issue is to enter your BIOS (which you access pre-operating system) and just kind of sit there for a while. Some BIOS even have a thermometer included. If the PC cuts off after a short time, as before, then you can safely conclude its an overheating issue. Most BIOS can be accessed by tapping F2 as you're turning on your computer. If you do it too quickly your system will think you have a defective keyboard, so keep it about once per second or so.

Either way, if you've got a noisy fan I'd suggest replacing it. You can get a new CPU fan dirt cheap. There are also some excellent CPU cooling options out there if you want to pay a little more. www.newegg.com is a good spot to check, or www.pricewatch.com. As was suggested by a previous poster, if you decide to replace your heat sink (the metal thingie the fan was attatched to) you'll probably want to grab a tube of thermal paste to go with it.

If your computer doesn't shut down while sitting around in BIOS, I'd suggest downloading, burning and popping in an Ubuntu Live CD. Ubuntu is a version of Linux, totally free operating system (no illegal piracy involved). You can use the Ubuntu Live CD to boot to a sort of virtual operating system hosted in your RAM. You can surf the web and even install programs into the virtual OS and everything (though note that since it is a virtual OS, it'll go away when you reboot). It will make no changes to your computer unless you manually mount your hard drive. If that works, then you may simply have a problem with Vista or (as other posters have suggested) a faulty hard drive. If it is the hard drive, POST should be able to communicate that to you.

If you decide you like Ubuntu you can install it along side Vista without formatting your computer using the partition editor (included on the disk) after defragmenting your hard drive in Windows.

Have you installed any new hardware or software lately? Any updates to Vista? Any new drivers for existing hardware? Finally, did the fan start getting noisey when this happened or was it already loud?

Thank you, I can't see the CPU getting that hot within boot up time unless his PSU is severely ***.

Also nice slide in with Ubuntu there :P


when a computer starts up, thats some of the "hottest time spent" if you will. cpus can reach emergency shut down temps within 10 seconds NOOOO PROBLEM.
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By Tiaraa 2010-04-13 22:42:32
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Ifrit.Ravahan said:
Its extremely unlikely unless there's a major problem with your power supply (as in supplying way too much juice) that you're hitting the temperature threshold in 10 seconds.

Your computer should beep when it turns on. Its a diagnostic tool called POST and should work unless the PC is completely dead (or I guess your mobo speakers could blow but I've never seen that). Next time you boot it pay close attention to any beeps coming from the case. If the PC is enclosed in a desk, take it out to hear the beeps more clearly. POST codes vary by manufacturer.

Another way to test and see if its a thermal issue is to enter your BIOS (which you access pre-operating system) and just kind of sit there for a while. Some BIOS even have a thermometer included. If the PC cuts off after a short time, as before, then you can safely conclude its an overheating issue. Most BIOS can be accessed by tapping F2 as you're turning on your computer. If you do it too quickly your system will think you have a defective keyboard, so keep it about once per second or so.

Either way, if you've got a noisy fan I'd suggest replacing it. You can get a new CPU fan dirt cheap. There are also some excellent CPU cooling options out there if you want to pay a little more. www.newegg.com is a good spot to check, or www.pricewatch.com. As was suggested by a previous poster, if you decide to replace your heat sink (the metal thingie the fan was attatched to) you'll probably want to grab a tube of thermal paste to go with it.

If your computer doesn't shut down while sitting around in BIOS, I'd suggest downloading, burning and popping in an Ubuntu Live CD. Ubuntu is a version of Linux, totally free operating system (no illegal piracy involved). You can use the Ubuntu Live CD to boot to a sort of virtual operating system hosted in your RAM. You can surf the web and even install programs into the virtual OS and everything (though note that since it is a virtual OS, it'll go away when you reboot). It will make no changes to your computer unless you manually mount your hard drive. If that works, then you may simply have a problem with Vista or (as other posters have suggested) a faulty hard drive. If it is the hard drive, POST should be able to communicate that to you.

If you decide you like Ubuntu you can install it along side Vista without formatting your computer using the partition editor (included on the disk) after defragmenting your hard drive in Windows.

Have you installed any new hardware or software lately? Any updates to Vista? Any new drivers for existing hardware? Finally, did the fan start getting noisey when this happened or was it already loud?

there is certainly no beeping noise, all night ive been messing around with it by my ear and havnt heard any beeps at all.

i dont remember if i mentioned it or not, but when i turn my pc on, for the small amount of time it is on nothing comes on the screen. can i still access the bios?

As for the virtual OS, i did something similar to that in college so i wont have a problem if it comes to that

Siren.Enternius said:
It may seem weird, but the thing that fixed my computer when I had a similar problem, was just disconnecting the main fan and taking it out. I left my computer's case open during boot, and it ran fine.

To this day, I still didn't reconnect the fan or close the case again. Which probably isn't good for my computer. Regardless, it still works and I'm getting a new laptop soon so, idk.

Gunna try this out, could be a temporary solution if it works
Caitsith.Blurr said:
it does definitely sound like the processor heatsink/fan. your best bet would be to pick one up @ a local fry's electronics, microcenter, or best buy. install it and just see if any difference. unfortunately there just is no equipment to strap onto a cpu fan and test.. mostly all computer hardware problems will come down to a process of elimination of basic troubleshooting, which is usually just testing parts with known working parts.

you can pick up after market heatsinks/fans anywhere between 20-150 depending on A what kind of processor socket it is being fitted on, and B how much your willing to spend. you can also usually pick up stock fans FROM the company too (or ebay i recommend for price), but that will be time for shipping of course. people can argue all they want, but for an average computer user an aftermarket budget fan will be the same exact thing as a stock.

basically youll just go to the store, find a sales associate in the computer/electronics department, and say your looking for a computer processor heatsinc/fan. fortunately the heatsincfan combos are so universal now you wont have to worry about the model/socket much, just figure out if its intel or amd at least. follow the instructions popping it in of course, and fire her up. if your still getting same problems as before you at least know its not the heatsinc/fan, and if it works.. well you self taught yourself a lil bit about diagnosing/troubleshooting computer hardware first hand, and it worked.. so win win

most places have ok return policies on anything other than actual cpus too.. so, if its NOT the fan/heatsinc, just return it <.>.

also should mention its nearly impossible to find JUST the fans with out the heatsinc.. so dont bother trying, you wouldnt save much anyway if you did find em.

I'll look into getting a new fan as you advise. thanks for the recommendations on where to get one, but no chance i can get there from England ;D If i drag my dad along i'm sure ill get the right thing, itd just be a bit weird seeing as i havnt seen him in a while :P

Sorry for any bad grammar, its really past my bedtime, just need to try and sort my sleeping patterns out O:
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By Caitsith.Blurr 2010-04-13 22:54:12
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*** grammar anyway, its all about the context. long as people understand what your saying (which i think everyone more or less did), thats all that matters, imo anyway.

noo clue at all what kinda electronics stores you guys have out there, so if online ends up being your best bet, newegg.com would be my first and only recommendation really.. great prices, fast shipping (here in states at least), and pretty good customer service. ive been getting parts there for at least a decade now ^^

one other idea would be to copy/paste your problem @ yahoo questions as well. you may get ***for responses, you may also get a LOT, or the one quick magical fix your looking for even. but its still, if anything, another p2p information resource.
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By Fenrir.Tiaraa 2010-04-13 23:15:56
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Normally when i post on here somebody cries over spelling or grammar , so i just thought id give an excuse today ;0

Theres a few computer stores near me, so i'll have a look through them when i get back to college and my money problems are sorted out. If i have the time the rest of this week i might walk over there and see what they have, its a pretty long walk though so ill see how it goes.

I posted on a computer fixing forum the same time i posted here, but no replies there so far, i might try yahoo answers when cod annoys me more than it already has >.<
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By Caitsith.Blurr 2010-04-13 23:30:10
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yeah.. thats why i recommend only yahoo q's.. some specific q/a sites can for sure end up netting you better info/faster even... but your qs will definitely get the most exposure there.

im still 90% sure its just the cpu fan malfunctioning, and will be a 25$~ ish to replace/fix, as ive had similar problems in the past. i had one in fact that didnt work at all.. and i didnt figure out that IT was what disallowed my computer to turn on until i had tested out basically every other gd part >.> (was a brand new cpu with its stock fan that just didnt work. COULD of been a quick easy 25$~ fix too lol;;)

best of luck in any case man.. computers can be fickle cold hearted ***.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-04-13 23:32:45
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A great website with a nice community for helping is:

http://www.pchelpforum.com/
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By Fenrir.Tiaraa 2010-04-13 23:42:32
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ill check out yahoo soon, i know ive managed to get information from there before when searching google

ill purchase a new fan and if that isnt the problem ill have a new fan which would probably be better than my current one anyway

I feel like its gunna be something really simple, but ill end up making it more confusing than it is >.<

with a career in computing coming up, there will be more of this ;;
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By Lakshmi.Aeyela 2010-04-14 07:48:42
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Open your PC up and check everything is connected properly and securely.
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By brahmdut 2010-04-14 07:55:39
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well you should YouTube it so we all can see what is happening and we are not missing something, just don't get the little magical blue smoke to leak out of your CPU. there can be loads of reasons it is bad. when you are inside your computer you really should ground your self to the computer case so you don't shock your PC Good Luck.
PS im going to college for that sorta stuff >< doh
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By Phoenix.Kusama 2010-04-14 08:04:44
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My friend pc had the same problem we when out buy some Thermal Compound, being a computer repair it was a easy done deal. The pc turn on but shut down somtime it does not go pass the window. Very loud also fan was blowing max speed soon i put new thermal compund it working again no problem and no shutdowning
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2010-04-14 09:21:57
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Bismarck.Taheenaa said:
It's also ok to log out & open and clean your pc every now and then. :D


Ya maybe too if your pc doesn't have alot of holes for your tower to properly breathe.. if your tower is like mine, with a slider on the side to open at get at your heart of the PC... is to drill some more holes so the Pc can cirrculate alot easier. What I did, and I use Speccy... to tell me the temperature of my pc...

http://www.speccy.com or go here and take a look here, it s there... ( just main home page of the program)

http://www.piriform.com

Hope this also helps.