Blue Mage To Me Is

Mobs last about 5 seconds in Dynamis, with no annoying AoE Drain spam, and the bosses don't require your PLDs to use different subs so they're not difficult to tank. DNC is little more than a gimp THF in Dynamis.

What is this lowman you speak of? FULL ALLIANCES FOR EVERYTHING. It is the only way.

After re-examining your posts in this thread and thorny's last post, I say, I have to agree. (with him)

I'm not disagreeing TW's math looks reasonable but as i said before this thread was about Blu not being a worthless slot not if dnc can out perform a sam in nyzul... there for the thread was trolled by you 3 so i'm just adding on When in rome do as the Romans......
I cnt get enough of this episode boopity boppity lmao

I do Dynamis with 8-10 people, they don't die in 5 seconds. DNCs who use Drain Samba are either HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE or hit the wrong macro, we don't use PLDs in Dynamis because the mobs aren't exactly dangerous, and DNC isn't known for doing damage so I don't see what the point there is :/

This is different from merits how? Mobs don't last any longer than merit fodder in Dynamis aside from extremely lowman situations (see: Thorny + Ninian's shell). Einherjar is a similar story at times as far as killspeed goes, the addition of annoying AoE is the only significant difference.

/sob

Productive derail =/= trolling.

Actually, no. You're the one who started the dnc vs sam thing. [insert set up here]
"NAH DUDE, JUST USE SAM INSTEAD!"

DNC looks really really boring in einherjar, I don't complain about coming SCH to it. Einherjar in general is pretty boring, but at least when something scary happens SCH has a lot it can do. Any place mobs die extremely fast would give me a headache on DNC.

I guess you hate meritting :s

/sob indeed ; ; Ah well, I should be able to escape that crap soon enough.

If you have 30 people in dynamis, it doesn't matter AT ALL what you use. Your DD could all wear level 50 weapons, TP in 0 haste, and mobs would still die faster than you could engage. Now, you could split those 30 into 3 groups of 10, full clear 3 zones, and walk away with about 300k currency per person worth of profit. In this case, mobs don't die in 5 seconds, and haste samba as well as the ability to prevent one shots becomes much more useful.

I'm sure you'll say something about zone availability or your shell being too stupid to do such a thing, so let me counter with this:
You always overkill in some sense. If you're hitting too hard, you're completely wasting that excess. If you have too many DD and not everyone engages before a mob dies, you're completely wasting that excess. If you kill faster because of haste samba, you have less engage delay before the next mob(unlike the too many people benefit), and kill faster than if you had excess attack and overkill by per-hit damage. It's all minimalistic change to actual killspeed, but devaluing haste because mobs die fast is laughable at best.. it still scales the same as everything else. If your killspeed doesn't change, guess what, you just got another healer. Drop a WHM and have a RDM haste 2 parties.

It's actually really fun in merits because I'm also not lagging and I don't have to assist someone, and there isn't 40,000 fat galkas in my face. Meriting in general is kind of boring though, gets boring fast and burns you out + makes you fall asleep :(

I don't know, I just didn't like dynamis on NIN when mobs died in ~1 sec, but I don't mind it in merits.

I agree Kal.

What I hate is these people who think because they got in a EG ls and got a few stuff because they spammed run's for "year's" till they won the item. I do agree good gear help's a ton but it doesn't make a good player, there's ton's of lucky people who play this game and got stuff handed to them That clearly know's nothin' about the job their on. All i'm sayin' is the gear is all good, I'm sure it help's make up what most lack in rl(recognition).

But don't get gassed cause you spammed run's nonstop for year's 24/7 or just got lucky don't mean jack. If most can't perform on a certain job cause they lack skill and focus don't mean said job should be considered a write off.

I'm sure many of you all know those people, the one's with the 75 job and "good gear" that have no clue of what/when and how to function on the job.. LMFAO!

Enjoy the game tho considering that's all it will ever be from now till servers close.^^

I know what i said, at that point the thread was already being derailed by thorny so i threw you guys a bone with the sam -vs- dnc. I knew you would bite TW we all know how you just cnnt help yourself I just knew math would be in your next post which it was lmao...so I continued to troll as you guys did....8D

Yeah seriously. Who uses just 1 allaince anymore...

That being said I see alot of that mentality in big lss. I know someone that swears that 17 man ultima is low manning lol.

I watched a group of 9 almost wipe to a T2 VNM (like 2 of there tanks died luckily they finished before everyone else did) and they were like see how hard it is!?! When later I stun locked same NM well enough that the tanks barely took dmg. Gratned had more people but if anything that just made it harder with all the tp feeding.


Also people need to use blu more. SEriously it does everything. I help with crowd control (flashga) and headbutt lock and def down everything in einharjar. That's on top of the dmg. nyzle is just silly good for blu.

That's me, it took me years to get Morrigan's and Homam and AH gear.
Totally, no *** clue how to play my jobs. I don't even know why I post here with such great players, I don't belong.

You just gotta ignore thorny, he's a douche, summer breeze scented, and can't understand anything beyond game mechanics and efficiency.

For Sea, I like BLU on anything a BLM nukes, besides JoL and JoJ Babies (no real AoE nukes). They get a virtually hateless nuke that can be spammed, and is fairly mp efficient, in the form of Regurgitation. The enmity of Regurgitation is set at 1CE/640VE, meaning virtually all hate dissipates before you could cast it again even with fully capped recast. It does low damage, but only costs 69mp, and gets a huge damage boost when used from behind.

BLU is also kickass on temp. Being capable of dealing strong slashing, blunt, and piercing damage for relatively cheap. Can die a lot, but BLU isn't affected by weakness too bad! (lol zombie BLU)

For Limbus, BLU fits into low man groups as more of a second line of defense. No matter how good you are, or think you are, things will eventually *** up. That's where BLU really shines. For example, NE apollyon, had a retard once "accidentally" (you can't be that stupid without actually trying, can you?) Diaga the mandy link he just slept, instead of Dia2 on the one we were fighting, and died pretty fast. Blastbomb for the *** win. I personally like RDM, BRD, BLU, SAM, SAM for Limbus in general (NW is BLM territory still). It can be overkill but it works, and I'm happy with it. Provides backup healing/enfeebling/crowdcontrol and can still contribute mild damage. I can't think of any other job that can do that very well.

For Sky BLU/NIN can solo anything a RDM/NIN can, save Suzaku maybe? Makes a great duo partner for RDM or BLM up there as well. Can do good SA/TA damage if your shell is the type to put a gang of preloaded /THFs on things and run SATA lines till they drop. I personally don't like that method, but you can't argue its effectiveness.

For dynamis, it can sleep very effectively. It sucks that they're all pretty much self centered, but it's still easy to catch all on the initial pull, and it's nice that you can overwrite the 90 second sleep keeping a group of mobs under for 3 minutes if done right. That should be more than enough to handle anything but the worst links. Though BLU CC in Dynamis is superfluous. If your ls is the typethat takes an army and has blms that need peole to get stats off of them...they should get the *** out of Dynamis ~_~;

For Einherjar, this is probably the best place to bring a BLU. Einherjar is a total *** ***. You can say "mobs should be dead before they get tp" all you want but that's horse ***and you know it. First of all, all the mobs there are pretty much guaranteed at least one tp move no matter how weak they are. On top of that, there's waves with Dragons that can have almost as much *** hp as some of the damn bosses. Body Slam, Self-Destruct, Doom, etc are dirty *** *** that exist specifically to *** your run up. That is where BLU really, really shines. They can also be useful for AoE DEF down, AoE Flash, AoE stun, and AoE Sleeps.

I won't bother listing crap like nyzul because it's pretty obvious BLU/NIN is one of the absolute best jobs for that.

give it a rest bro this thread is dead Blu wise might as well go dlv your blu to 1 because according to these guys its a Pup bst job and go work on Sam or Dnc

No, I just chose not to dignify that retard ***with a response.

Meditate gloves omg!

What else is there to understand? You can't argue that subjective things are a matter of understanding, sorry.
Hate shouldn't be an issue in sea, good BLMs are more than capable of staying alive with hate on anything that's better off being nuked than meleed.
addressed already, but rdmx2 or rdm rdm smn is better.. send rest of the group elsewhere
So, you brought 5 people to a zone that isn't difficult to duo and still sucked hard enough you needed blastbomb? Awesome. You're really driving these points deep.
Show me a BLU Seiryu or Faust solo? Faust might be doable, Seiryu certainly isn't.. RDM does them faster and safer as well.
There you go.
It has it's uses, but the mobs don't have that much HP and good DD destroy them. One party of DD DD DD BRD DNC COR with an outside haste is enough damage to kill all mobs in any wing three layout sans boss, adding a second makes boss a joke as well.
Get better RDMs, RDM BRD DNC SAM SAM SAM is always going to clear more nyzul than a setup involving BLU. It's a good fallback if you run with pickups though, I certainly wouldn't call it gimp to bring one if you don't trust the party.

It is, but he's a goddamn *** sometimes. Not a fun solo, RDM can definitely handle him more effectively.
BLU/SCH gogo.

Faith is an example.

See you just have to not get drawn into an insult match with thorny, he gets bored because he can't fap off to interwebz hate. His favorite method of trolling is to completely ignore the fact that some people have to work with less (Like where you turn the fill mode off and nuke through walls.), or just might not be as good as others, and call everything easy because he can do it (even if he still dies like a *** to things at times like a human). He also likes to call human error as retardation, like mistakes are foreign to himself.

Can easily substitute the BLU for the SMN and do just as well and/or better. No one said anything about sending more to it.

As you can see, this is one of thorny's douchings. Notice as he tries to accuse a whole group of sucking for the error of one person.

Notice how he calls it easy to duo, while 99% of the people in this game will never be able to duo it. Though yes I've duo'd this (BLM+RDM, BLM+BLU, BLU+RDM, BLU+BLM can all do this, Taru mages can solo it), and no I haven't been able to solo it yet.

I know for a fact BLU/NIN can solo Faust, and have been working on it myself. Seiryu I thought was solod by some jp called rakappa or something. It's virtually the same exact method. Bind kiting. Regurgitation and Blastbomb. BLU can stick binds pretty well even on higher level mobs.

And that's you talking out of your ***. Some waves mobs have 40k+ hp each. You're going to sit there and say 3 DD, brd, cor, dnc will kill everything but the boss on any wing 3? My pickup Einherjar ls may not have had very many good DDs, but we had at least 8 top tier DDs with BRD rotations, CORs, and at least one DNC/BRD/COR pt.

Low number/high hp waves of sturdier mobs like Marid-X/Audhumbla will *** up your run just by lasting so *** long, as will Logi/Flames of Muspelheim where it's one bad tp move and you're done for 5 minutes.

RDM, BRD, DNC, BLU, DD, DD
RDM, BRD, BLU, DD, DD, DD
Etc.

Those combos should really never fail a run barring some horrible luck. BLU can annihilate mobs faster than most jobs can because of how piss weak the mobs are. The stunning comes in handy against Dahaks/Chariots and some of the more annoying nms. As for bosses, you shouldn't need more than 2 heavy DD, and the BLU can diffusion Triumphant Roar for a little boost, which should last longer than most bosses.

I like /NIN because you get better sword DoT on mobs that actually have hp, the offhand stat bonuses, and shadows that are nice for going off and soloing on kill all floors or fighting mobs with AoE tp moves when they actually get through.

/SCH offers Na spells, Aspir, and a bit more on MF?

What the *** BLM can't kite Faith? It stops to cast constantly when open, and you use gravity when it's closed.. I dualboxed it before my alt had movement and had no issues.
Yea, that's totally a valid point and not a blind insult like you accuse me of oh-so-often.
normal rdm rdm strat doesn't accumulate enough hate for a blu to damage it without pulling hate and being a huge mp sink, smn is going to pull off similar damage over time without that issue
FFXI isn't hard. BLM and RDM with HQ staves and otherwise NQ AH gear can duo it 100%, provided they can follow simple instructions and the RDM has a basic meleeing set. Maybe your shell's members suck enough you can't trust them, but that's not the case everywhere.
BLU bind works fine, but RDM's has a shorter recast and RDM has far superior defensive tools available to them.
Logi are obnoxious, fair point. Flames aren't hard to stun, Buffalo don't have that much hp.. I hope you realize that wing 3 mobs have greatly varying hp depending on the other waves? If you have chair dude incoming, your mobs will be very weak.. if you have only a couple waves + normal boss, they'll be much stronger. As far as marids, maybe if you're HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE enough to melee into barrier tusk instead of swapping targets.. they have next to no natural hp or defense.
While clearing 5 floors never has been and never will be difficult, even with 3-4 people, the setup with BLU instead of DNC is less likely to clear 10. When I did my last climb for my mule and friend, we did 10 floors 3x and never cleared less than 8.

I wonder if Draylo has seen this thread? Furthermore, if it convinces even one person that dnc isn't a lol job when used properly, then it's been worthwhile.