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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-04-14 16:15:29
You must examine every suspicious looking nook and cranny of this site and expose the dnc haters!
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Leviathan.Niniann
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2010-04-14 16:16:23
You don't understand that ***stacks? @___@; That's like saying RDM is better than BRD because they have better haste, slow II and dia 2/3. Oh and cure better.
Edit: Lol'd @ investigations
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-04-14 16:16:47
lol? ***stacks bro.
EDIT: Beaten XD
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-04-14 16:17:24
Quote: quote doesn't work but rdm can do it way better dia 2 or 3 and haste 15% so Sam would be better spot than Dnc Again, you're not using your brain. We're not comparing dnc to rdm. A RDM is still in the group. Dia II doesn't have anything to do w/ box step. They stack. Haste samba and haste also stack, we're not comparing 10% vs 15%. We're compounding the 10% and the 15% hastes together.
What does a comparison with rdm have anything to with this?
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-04-14 16:18:08
DAMMIT NINIAN! I won't post about dnc anymore, sorry :(
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Sylph.Kozuki
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By Sylph.Kozuki 2010-04-14 16:18:16
I wish more people would figure out how good dnc is ; ;
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By Odin.Kalico 2010-04-14 16:19:00
not the point the Sam in place of the Dnc will kill the boss way faster than the xtra 10% haste and dnc enfbles...
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-04-14 16:19:21
Sylph.Kozuki said: I wish more people would figure out how good dnc is ; ; Good DNCs are amazing and I wish I ran with one... Bad DNCs are terrible ; ;
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-04-14 16:19:42
Quote: not the point the Sam in place of the Dnc will kill the boss way faster than the xtra 10% haste and dnc enfbles... No.
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Leviathan.Niniann
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2010-04-14 16:21:15
It's ok guys, if we all say the same thing maybe they'll listen :<
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By Odin.Kalico 2010-04-14 16:22:49
this thread is just lol at this point go take your dnc crap to the dnc forums 8D
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Leviathan.Thornyy
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By Leviathan.Thornyy 2010-04-14 16:24:18
Quote: not the point the Sam in place of the Dnc will kill the boss way faster than the xtra 10% haste and dnc enfbles... If all your SAMs are even, you're looking at:
25% haste gear, 15% haste spell, 20% haste marches, 10% haste hasso regardless for a total of 70% haste. Now, in terms an idiot like you can understand, going 70-80 haste is changing every 100 delay from 30 to 20. This means you're getting 1.5x as many hits in per samurai. 3 SAM * 1.5 damage means that before considering box step, dnc cures, or dnc's damage themselves, you're looking at the same damage as 4.5 dncless SAMs.
DNC is good, albeit most people are terrible at playing it and even more people are too stupid to realize how good 10% haste is.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-04-14 16:24:23
Odin.Kalico said: cop-out because I'm wrong but won't admit it I see.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-04-14 16:25:44
Quote: not the point the Sam in place of the Dnc will kill the boss way faster than the xtra 10% haste and dnc enfbles...
Wrong.
We have 3 equally geared 25% haste sams(Imperial ring for nyzul). Double march + haste + hasso = 70% haste.
Let's say all 3 sams are equal and we add a 4th sam. Each sam will represent 100%. 400% in total of a sam. (which makes sense as we have 4 equal sams)
Now let's take all 3 sams and add another 10% haste
As compared to the 100% of a sam, haste samba will increase haste to 80%
10/(100-80) = 10/20 = 50% increase
Each sam that represented 100% now gets a 50% increase
150 + 150 + 150 = 450% of your original sam
450 > 400. The haste samba alone is worth more than the extra sam. This is w/o even considering the enfeebles, cures, and damage a dnc has to offer.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-04-14 16:26:33
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By Odin.Kalico 2010-04-14 16:26:35
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Odin.Kalico said: cop-out because I'm wrong but won't admit it I see.
You see what that yall trolled this to a nyzul discussion and how important dnc is to nyzul....thats why this thread is just lol..hats off to the trolls
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Leviathan.Niniann
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2010-04-14 16:27:03
Haha you guys are posting the same thing.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-04-14 16:27:43
Leviathan.Niniann said: You don't understand that ***stacks? @___@; That's like saying RDM is better than BRD because they have better haste, slow II and dia 2/3. Oh and cure better.
Edit: Lol'd @ investigations
elegy>slow II. double march >> haste. The rest better be true or you need a new rdm.
However elegy +slow= awesome. double march + haste= sex
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-04-14 16:28:59
Odin.Kalico said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Odin.Kalico said: cop-out because I'm wrong but won't admit it I see.
You see what that yall trolled this to a nyzul discussion and how important dnc is to nyzul....thats why this thread is just lol..hats off to the trolls
Aka you lost the argument and have nothing else to contribute because even though you know you're wrong, you won't admit it.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-04-14 16:29:04
Odin.Kalico said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Odin.Kalico said: cop-out because I'm wrong but won't admit it I see.
You see what that yall trolled this to a nyzul discussion and how important dnc is to nyzul....thats why this thread is just lol..hats off to the trolls Because Nyzul is the only place DNC is good.
This really doesn't get said enough: you are so *** stupid.
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Leviathan.Niniann
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2010-04-14 16:30:30
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Odin.Kalico said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Odin.Kalico said: cop-out because I'm wrong but won't admit it I see.
You see what that yall trolled this to a nyzul discussion and how important dnc is to nyzul....thats why this thread is just lol..hats off to the trolls Because Nyzul is the only place DNC is good.
This really doesn't get said enough: you are so *** stupid.
Take that back ; -; We're also good at merits, Dynamis and Einherjar.
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-04-14 16:33:01
Leviathan.Niniann said: Take that back ; -; We're also good at, uh, Einherjar. Fixed.
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By Odin.Kalico 2010-04-14 16:33:44
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Odin.Kalico said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Odin.Kalico said: cop-out because I'm wrong but won't admit it I see. You see what that yall trolled this to a nyzul discussion and how important dnc is to nyzul....thats why this thread is just lol..hats off to the trolls Because Nyzul is the only place DNC is good. This really doesn't get said enough: you are so *** stupid.
At this point nuthing better to do but troll
"when in Rome do as the Romans"
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-04-14 16:34:11
Siren.Enternius said: Leviathan.Niniann said: Take that back ; -; We're also good at, uh, Einherjar. Fixed. You're either trolling or ignorant to the godlieness that is haste samba.
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Leviathan.Niniann
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2010-04-14 16:35:15
Siren.Enternius said: Leviathan.Niniann said: Take that back ; -; We're also good at, uh, Einherjar. Fixed.
I don't see how we're not good at Dynamis <_<; it's not like the mobs there are particularly any harder to hit than Einherjar, and the defense down steps last longer....
Reasoning?
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-04-14 16:35:20
Odin.Kalico said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Odin.Kalico said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Odin.Kalico said: cop-out because I'm wrong but won't admit it I see. You see what that yall trolled this to a nyzul discussion and how important dnc is to nyzul....thats why this thread is just lol..hats off to the trolls Because Nyzul is the only place DNC is good. This really doesn't get said enough: you are so *** stupid.
At this point nuthing better to do but troll
"when in Rome do as the Romans"
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-04-14 16:35:42
Leviathan.Niniann said: Siren.Enternius said: Leviathan.Niniann said: Take that back ; -; We're also good at, uh, Einherjar. Fixed.
I don't see how we're not good at Dynamis <_<; it's not like the mobs there are particularly any harder to hit than Einherjar, and the defense down steps last longer....
Reasoning? Trolling or ignorance.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-04-14 16:36:37
Leviathan.Niniann said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Odin.Kalico said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Odin.Kalico said: cop-out because I'm wrong but won't admit it I see.
You see what that yall trolled this to a nyzul discussion and how important dnc is to nyzul....thats why this thread is just lol..hats off to the trolls Because Nyzul is the only place DNC is good.
This really doesn't get said enough: you are so *** stupid.
Take that back ; -; We're also good at merits, Dynamis and Einherjar. Lies! Haste Samba means nothing, lolDNC damage, and your debuffs + support cures are unnecessary!
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Leviathan.Thornyy
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By Leviathan.Thornyy 2010-04-14 16:37:45
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: ignorance he's a complete dipshit, none of his posts are any more intelligent
Leviathan.Niniann
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2010-04-14 16:38:03
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Leviathan.Niniann said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Odin.Kalico said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Odin.Kalico said: cop-out because I'm wrong but won't admit it I see.
You see what that yall trolled this to a nyzul discussion and how important dnc is to nyzul....thats why this thread is just lol..hats off to the trolls Because Nyzul is the only place DNC is good.
This really doesn't get said enough: you are so *** stupid.
Take that back ; -; We're also good at merits, Dynamis and Einherjar. Lies! Haste Samba means nothing, lolDNC damage, and your debuffs support cures are unnecessary!
lowman brah ;-;
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Interference.
That's what Blue Mage is.
Blue Mage will always be a substandard choice if you focus on things like pure damage, main healing ability, enfeebling, nuking, etc.
When you start to play to the strength of Flexibilty and focus on the role of interference... people probably still won't notice you standing out.
Until you're gone.
Blue Mage excels in disrupting mobs' offenses, and making them less dangerous all around.
Being able to stun 83% of all tp moves attempted in a limbus run (NE Apollyon is where I like to BLU especially), emergency cure, crowd control with Gravity, Bind, and Sleeps (light+dark) more accurately than a BLM, Nuke efficiently and almost hatelessly (while enfeebling), and, on top of all that, still put out almost passable DoT or Spike damage, makes Blue Mage the most versatile job I can think of.
The point of my post is this, people should never focus on just one, or even just two, aspects of Blue Mage. If you're not going to take advantage of all the tools the job has to offer, why bother? You won't be anything but a subpar DD, and to that point, you're just making the rest of us look bad.
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