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Um..I think you have me mistaken for someone else.

I've never used gearswap in my entire life.

What is a superior alt-tab?


This isn't about me, but if you're trying to turn this into a gotcha moment: no, I'm not.

hold on, these videos aren't running 60fps cutscenes and i can't figure out how to load Enternity on youtube... Do you have a lua or sim data for the story instead?????

Edit: Nvm if you're not using gearswap we aren't gonna be friends

Do you run a vanilla client or are you using Windower?

You tell me.

Not watching any video. Answer the question.

OK, lazy man's answer: no.

Ew using equipsets instead of manually equipping your gear

Wow, what a convenient gotcha question!

If I use GS, then I'm a hypocrite so you're safe from criticism.

If I don't use GS then we're not gonna be friends, so you're safe from criticism!

You're invincible. Shame there isn't an addon to give that to your characters in-game or you'd download that too, to help cover up more of your inadequacies.

You've previously gone on record saying you use Windower but no addons or plugins.

Are you now saying you run a fully 100% vanilla client? No windower.

It was the context of the whole convo that brought me to that conclusion. That's just me, I don't get along with uptight types. Enjoy your vanilla experience.

If I'm playing a single character I run a fully 100% vanilla client, with no windower.

If I'm multi-boxing I put one character on 100% vanilla client, with no windower, and then other character(s) on windower with no addons or plugins.

It's a distinction without a difference. Windower with no addons or plugins is functionally the same as vanilla, as far as I can tell. The only difference I've ever noticed is you can ctrl+v to paste in Windower but not in vanilla (it's the shortcut for first-person). If you wanna accuse me of pasting in the chat to make the game easier, go for it.

I've also played with multiple PCs in the past and frankly, it's much easier (IMO) to multi-box with multiple boxes, so if anything I'm gimping myself by using Windower on my alt, but alas I don't have the space or care to waste the electricity on running a second PC for a second character.

Hypocrite.

From November 2020 but relevant
Send is input broadcasting software. Obviously there are legal macros that handle several actions, but the general idea:

1 input = 1 output

Seems like the line is drawn differently for different people and I'll just keep about my multibox business until banned, or the VASTLY more likely outcome, I get bored.

If only you could come up with any logic or reasoning behind this, it might actually be harmful. Unfortunately you've offloaded all your thinking to software so you don't have any critical thinking left. Shame.

You use third party software while calling everyone else that uses third party software a cheating botter.

You are a hypocrite.

LOL. Quoting definitions to me is a bold choice. Let's take a look:


Have I stated that I don't think people should use Windower to multi-box? Have I stated that people should never use any third party programs of any sort? Sorry, I don't think this applies. Let's try the other definition then.


Umm...my virtue is false because I launch two instances of FFXI on the same PC?

I think you might've wanted to read those definitions before you pasted the link, bro.

It's like someone who's saying that people shouldn't steal, then you find out he once paid a fine a day late and you say: "Hah! He's just putting on a false appearance of virtue, he's the same as the thieves! What a hypocrite!" This is the dumbest line of argument you could've possibly chosen.

I've been extremely upfront with my beliefs and the way I play, to the point where you quoted them to me. I live stream and post videos of my gameplay. I share my sets with people, explain my macros, and share my strategies. This is...my false appearance of virtue? What's false about it? Did I lie at some point? Am i secretly hiding all my gearswap under the sheets? Do you have some evidence of this? Sure seems to be a whole hell of a lot of evidence that my virtue, as it were, is exactly as I state publicly.

More excuses.

It's cringe bro, stop it.

I asked you specifically if you use windower, and you avoided answering. I asked you specifically again, and you said yes, you use windower.

Is windower part of the XI gaming experience that SE provides or is it third party software? It's third party software.

Here is the official word from SE on third party software like Windower.


I know I don't have to explain this to you, you've used this same definition to call out others on their cheating before. Yet here you are, excusing your own cheating by use of Windower based on nothing but your own definition of cheating that directly contradicts facts.

In other words, this:


You're like the girl that tells everyone she dates she's a "virgin" because she's only ever done backdoor stuff.

What, you don’t want to have to relive the experience of needing to spam ‘enter’?

No one genuinely believes that there's no nuance between windower, gearswap or the level of automation necessary to run a multi box efficiently. I even doubt those who keep repeating it like a mantra every time this topic pops up say it to drag everyone down to their level so they can sleep better at night. Everyone here is aware that it's a troll argument.

Reads to me like for instance software that comes with your mouse or keyboard also qualifies cause you now can turn your volume up/down with a single click.
Playing the devils advocate here but since consoles aren't supported anymore this definition, today, acts pretty much as a catch all that would also hit complete vanilla FFXI players.

as a really bad botter who uses and writes naughty tools, it is absolutely insane to pretend there's no nuance

nobody here gives a ***about who's breaking the TOS, it's a straw man being used to paint everyone with the same brush

if you look at it in terms of unfair advantage, what maletaru is doing as self-described is extremely minimal(he gains the real-life advantage of not having to use a kvm device or multiple devices)

if you look at it in terms of direct impact to others it's nonexistant, because he could do the same with a setup like that

every tool can be assessed by degree of advantage and degree of direct impact to others. personal ethics will create variation between how heavily an individual weighs those two axes, but i don't think very many people are going to tie their own ethical codes to the TOS set out by companies.

if you are actually one of those people, do the same standards apply to every other product you use with a tos? have you even evaluated or read the tos? would you use unlicensed coffee pods in your keurig or third party heads in your electric toothbrush? have you ever watched or played media without a license? if not, then maybe you have a legitimate argument but you're still pretty weird

I've read that SE page more times than you could possibly imagine.

Did you finish reading the whole thing, including the unbolded parts?

How does windower, with no addons, impact gameplay in any way?

I think I'm in compliance with the TOS, but even if I weren't, it doesn't matter. Someone who doesn't return a library book timely isn't a hypocrite if they call a murderer a bad person. That's fundamentally not how hypocrisy works.

Did you not read this part?



You're not.


False equivalency, strawman.


Yup.

The point is, someone that is directly breaking TOS, cannot complain about others breaking TOS.

Oh but this other guy breaks TOS more than I do. Tough ***, you're both breaking TOS and both cheating.

I, since Thorny brought up whether I follow the TOS or not, have been breaking TOS since 2006 or so. Have never claimed otherwise, and I am 100% a cheater 100% of the time. When asked, that is what I say. Male OTOH, circled around the question instead of answering, and argued that no, he's not using windower. Then had to walk that back and admit that yes, his alts use windower but but but.... but nothing, stfu.

It's hypocricy to the extreme to argue that someone breaking TOS is somehow on a higher moral ground than someone else breaking TOS, and I completely lost all respect I might have had for the person making these claims.

This topic has reached its conclusion for me, good luck.

Someone that is breaking TOS cannot complain about others breaking TOS on the basis that they are breaking the TOS.

They can absolutely complain on the basis that their actions provide a greater unfair advantage or greater detriment to the community.

Again, this argument is a poorly constructed straw man. A jaywalker would be hypocritical to complain a murderer broke the law. They have a perfectly reasonable moral platform to complain a murderer killed someone.

One commonality in the offense doesn't mean every aspect of the offense is equivalent. Your argument can only be seen as legitimate if your entire ethical code boils down to, "is it legal/allowed?". If that's the case, your arguments are all wildly hypocritical if you do any sort of piracy or minor crime.

Just leaving that there.

Great, we've established that both sides are a violation of the TOS. Nobody was arguing they weren't.

The degree of impact effects the morality of the action for anyone with a reasonable moral code. Feigning ignorance to the actual complaint to continue with the same straw man is childish.