Lehko Vs. Cornelia Vs. Ephramad

Fickblix FTW

I don't either, as long as you play actively and well.

Lol, while they still get the exact same WS Acc +100 on first hit as other WS's, they still miss one out of twenty times. You don't get to pick which one though so it's possible two whiff twice then hit the next thirty eight WS's. Savage has a second hit, that hit doesn't do much damage but at least it's not a zero.

You encourage the use of a simulator that isn't the game, and is, therefore, not reality.

Parses and simulators are nice. They can be very accurate, and most importantly, parses can show active play, you can extrapolate player choice from them.

But they are not infallible. They are not reality. They don't show everything and they miss out on actual gameplay all of the time.

The Sim is even worse. It is no substitute for actually playing the game, or how things will unfold there.

So you posted an opinion. Nothing more. In other threads you've asserted things like Caliburnus routinely out does Naegling. You aren't free from bias.

In no way are you just impartially course correcting anything.

You just don't like that you came to a decision and swapped rings, cemented now in your own beliefs. So you chose to post in a way that plays to the audience, since they also enjoy the Sim(not reality).

The fact remains that Ephramad's Ring has its place in TP sets as well as weaponskill sets. Cornelia's Ring only has a place in WS sets.

My argumentation may be flawed, but I am correct. Ephramad's is the superior overall choice. I even lead with saying I've always championed it, and you chose to throw barbs my way in a rather supercilious way, tbh.

In reality though, anyone's ring choice is ultimately unimportant. Better play, and play that understands the next best options will see you through gameplay more than any ring ever will. At the bottom of page three, Dodik opined in favor of Cornelia's, but then he also said, "Gear for what you do."

Some folks only play/prioritize their play as healers or hardline for mage jobs. They choose Medada or Gorebu. Some hardline for BST/pet jobs and choose Fickblix. I play physical DDs, and Ephramad gives them the most(just over half the jobs in the game, depending on your PoV).

Cornelia's is great, but its own exceptional area, an arena that Ephramad's can't touch, is most magical WSes. It is not bad. It's even my favorite color. I don't know who all has chosen it in the groups I play in, but whoever is, isn't running circles around me in the content we do, if we're on jobs with the same purpose.

You can't go wrong with either, truly, but you're right. I will always highlight the ring I believe is superior, just the same as you.

One of the hidden benefits of hoxne is making 1 hit ws go from full miss 1/20 to 1/400... assuming capped acc even without the extra 100.

I would love it if people would actually give examples and explain how it invalidates the results of the sim, or changes the optimal decision to make, instead of just making broad, general statements.


Again...what? Which part of "how things unfold there" changes the math behind which ring is better?


Ephramad is a terrible TP ring. It's BiS for accuracy, but there are a whole hell of a lot of better pieces to swap accuracy on than putting on a TP ring with 0 STP and 0 multi-attack. As discussed earlier, PDL is a TERRIBLE stat to focus on for your TP sets.


I see people make this argument all the time and while I agree with the premise, it's also extremely flawed. Better play > better rings, absolutely. However, it's a false dichotomy. You can play better AND have a better ring, and you shouldn't be comparing yourself to other people (who might suck at the game), you should be comparing yourself with the copy of yourself that has the other ring. It's a silly argument.


Don't understand what you're trying to imply here. Do you think anyone, regardless of which ring they promote, will "run circles around" other players if they pick the right ring? It's a marginal improvement either way. As mentioned earlier, because of the difference in execution between players it's not a very good strategy to compare two different human beings when trying to decide if one ring is better than the other. Again I think this argument is extremely flawed.

You're not wrong on this point; the sim is not perfect, it will have bugs and make mistakes. However, the sim (just like the spreadsheets that came before it) is a useful tool for people to make decisions pertaining to gear choices without having to spend an inordinate amount of time and effort running enough parses under every gear scenario to come to their conclusions. Suggesting that people use the simulator is an easy request that anyone can do given how user friendly it is, and saying "everyone needs to run their own extensive statistical analysis of in-game damage before they can pick a ring" is a bit heavier of a lift.

If you find that the results of your "reality" truly do conflict with the results that the sim provides, I'd encourage you to work with Izanami to improve the tool. The community as a whole will surely be grateful.

Look, I don't know what to tell you here. You are free to believe whatever you like, but I have a better understanding of my intent than you. I stand by what I've said, despite your disbelief. For instance, I believe that you only feel this way because I disagree with you and you don't like that, but I'm certainly able to admit I can be wrong.

I'm not sure what you think I "don't like", but I've swapped between these two rings multiple times as our static focused on differing types of content with different buffs available. My beliefs are cemented in my observed in-game differences in damage.

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I've said everything I came to say on the subject. My intent was to share important considerations regarding the rings for folks who are still in the process of choosing, and I've done just that. I apologize that this has devolved into basically an argument, but there are some in this community who view differences in opinion as personal attacks that must be defended against. It's unfortunate that many conversations in this forum that have the potential to help players inevitably end up this way, but here we are.

Agree here. Most jobs have close to a 80% weaponskill to 20% white damage ratio. Samurai and dancer have closer to a 90/10 split. Even the jobs that were traditionally white damage heavy in meta's prior are shifting towards a 70/30 ratio or even a 75/25 ratio. It's a byproduct of everyone spamming savage blades with tp bonus gear and 80+ WSD in their sets. My thief and monk are easily my two jobs that are biggest in white damage, but nothing is better than cento offhand for my thief so even that is shifting more toward weaponskill damage. Monk is the one job that still has a fairly big chunk of white damage, but monk wants to tp in gere and niqmaddu rings anyway.

Arguing that the PDL on ephramaud's is important for white damage in your tp sets is like arguing that lehko's ring is a good choice because 10% crit rate is a similar white damage boost. Lest I remind you that lehko's IS the tp ring, and it's also the choice this thread has pretty much universally dumped on. If lehko's is the least optimal choice with its 10 sTP and 10 crit rate then arguing that the 10 PDL on ephramaud's makes it a good TP ring is just faulty logic. Ephramaud's is a great weaponskill ring when the situation is appropriate, but it isn't the ring you normally WANT to be tping in.

Tbf it used to be, then they threw 1 handers a bone
Then h2h
Then ranged(under ss)
Pets somewhere in there, forget when they made the switch for them. Kind of odd 2 handers dont get anything at this point but oh well, time to miss fudo 5 times in a row and maybe buy a lottery ticket

I imagine Ephramad in a TP set only really works if either a) you have an Ukon WAR build or b) the devs introduce an enemy with an unremovable Amnesia aura.

I'd never switch out Niqmaddu, Chirich +1 or whatever else with decent TP stats for PDL in any other scenario. It just doesn't make sense. I respect that white damage would be increased, but overall you would WS less, so that extra white damage is pointless.

As someone who primarily favors playing dual wield jobs (and monk) I can attest that it's rare to miss on those jobs. There is a 1 in 100 chance to whiff a swing when you're acc capped on dual wielding jobs. I immediately notice when my impetus stacks reset or when my dancer botches a climactic ruthless because it almost never happens... it's rare. And when it happens twice in a short period of time it's also quite frustrating....

But not nearly as frustrating as swapping to a 2 handed job and watching the RNG go wonky and screw you over just because it can. I've whiffed the first swing of disaster 4 times out of 10, whiffed two (or maybe even three) straight sarvs in a row, or just outright whiffed disaster alltogether because RNG decided to be a *** that day. It's nothing new. We've all been there. There is always a chance to miss your weaponskills and no amount of accuracy boosting can ever change that. 2 handed and ranged jobs get the fun experience of having that chance be five times higher than the single wielders and monks out there. Isn't inequality great!

What about Fickblix's Ring though? Multi attack was always considered to be first priority for TP and your /SMN summons will deal 10% more damage on top of that!

The funny part is they are all going to argue about the rings longer than it would take to just switch your rings for free and try them.

Arguing the finer points of ringmaxxing on the forums is the true endgame experience :P

I unironically enjoy the back and forth though, it's like watching your big, weird, extended family fight at the dinner table. We (the community) might not always get along, but I'm glad everyone's here (^_^)

At the end of the day, I think we all benefit from the discourse, especially when there's disputes.