November 2025 Version Update

The price actually isn't so crazy. Probably 1-2M per usage on low delay jobs, only a couple hundred thousand on 2H users. Weird that they didn't just make it always-up with a 30 minute uptime.

150 delay with 80% delay reduction is 2 swings per second, so 2k per second * 1800 seconds in half an hour * whatever you think a realistic penalty for WSs, JAs, and running between monsters is.

480 delay with 80% delay reduction is 0.625 swings per second, so 625 gil per second * 1800s * penalty

I doubt TA (or normal DA) preempts using gil per swing, but that might save money too.

It's really another toy for the 1%, just like Repasts (+1/+2). The value of gil goes down dramatically on a character the more things you get, to the point where there's really almost nothing left to spend your gil on. This earring "solved" two problems essentially: removes gil off of server for SE (usually they have to ban accounts to accomplish this) and gives people something to do with all of their excess gil.

Now I don't want to take the fun out of this item, but I want to think about the long-term impact of an item like this, and am genuinely curious. When Gain EXP was exploited for so long, it created massive amounts of gil on servers. Medal exploits did the same but for medal supply. But eventually it all came back down. How long would this kind of item need to be in circulation before it starts to negatively impact the economy on prices?

Moved Trove drops to this thread: https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/58705/november-2025-post-your-aman-trove-drops#3768908

The effect disappears when the item is unequipped, right? So ostensibly you'd lose it if you swap during weaponskills.

How long is the activation time for the item? There's a DPS loss if you need to constantly use it to keep the effect active.

If anything, you'll need to disable gear swaps for the ammo slot whenever you have this item equipped.

that's a given, but there's no WS piece that's going to compare to 100% DA in general.. never mind that meta will probably place much more emphasis on this item in particular so you'll probably be using a job with a ftp carry ws

It's going to be relegated to wsing aminon disengaged and that's about it. (which is obviously a very good use for it (not rudra))

Honorable mention for v25 mobs where you will use literally anything to squeak out the win. That's where throwing away an extra 3m matters.

100% brazen rush on sortie gravity zergs, I guess. Since it will only cost like 100k each, but still, wasteful, unless you were an 8 boss only and that will bump you into 9 boss daily territory.

does it make DA proc 100% on ws as well?

Amazing for MNK, not so amazing for SAM (presumably lose Zanshin). I think everyone else is somewhere between those two.

The new ammo is something like a 40% increase in DPS on MNK.

It'll mainly be annoying for WAR and DRG to use since they'll lose the buff if they need to Tomahawk or Angon. The short recast time makes it easy to reapply, but still a little annoying.

I mean, it would be impossible for BRD to use, RNG/COR can't use it at all, GEO probably couldn't either if the bubble dies (or need to re-summon it). Same with SMN. I think SAMs would avoid it due to Zanshin (hybrids are hitting close to capped damage when applicable without the Zanshin handicap). NIN can't use it at all due to loss of Daken, unless you just eat that and want higher hybrid damage. That's a huge dps penalty imo. WAR+DRG were mentioned as a slight annoyance due to Tomahawk/Angon, though DRG can Shell Crusher if necessary and Tomahawk is very specifically used.

I still think it's going to be used quite a bit as a toy for people who can afford it (an endgame item for endgame players? Neat), but like I said in the other thread, I see it as another Aminon-use item to improve your dps for said fight, maybe a few T3/Bumba you are struggling with. I doubt the meta would shift to "LFM - Hoxne Ampulla MNK or DNC", though that would be quite funny (Asura don't disappoint).

You want to play another job, and have the DA ammo - what priorities changed for gear/weapons? Some seem obvious to me even at a glance, just from playing the game for years, but this will be fun to read and see in the coming days, the nuances of it all.

What are you suggesting? Wear no TA gear? Don't WS? Use another WS at 2000%+ TP?

Change nothing, but full time the ammo (and enchantment, obviously)

What does treasure hunter effect+5% mean on hoxne ring? JP wiki says it only affects THF job too?

Got the new mastery rank earring off a impossible thud on a mars orb
Its 15 all stats at rank 6

The same exact thing as the gift. Increase the odds of a +1 proc.

I wanna see this math

Just to add to this point: by now I’ve seen about a dozen screenshots of it dropping, with one getting it back-to-back, in 9~10 hrs since going live.

Difficult to imagine it’s meant to hold the same price as KC in terms of rarity.

It's a finesse. Flood the market with tons of ampullas, people spend the next few weeks "playing around" with 100% DA and the overall gil quantity across the server slowly depletes. The ol' banana in the tailpipe. Genius.

It definitely won't be "change nothing". There will be things to optimize. Store TP becomes more valuable if you have 100% chance for either hand to DA through the TP phase. Higher WSC, more attack potentially becomes more effective than items that might give you a few % DA or TA chance when you have guaranteed DA procs in an fTP transfer WS (Monk's WS, Fast Blade II). Simulation will make short work of narrowing down some of the top contending options. Personal flavor for different situations after that.

Sherida on WS becomes basically STR/DEX Earring with that ammo. Other Earrings will do that better.

Generally new items are over represented in the first month.

Then they ninja lower the drop rate.

Or there's 10,000% more people doing it since there's something new.

I don't make it a habit of agreeing with Eiryl often, but I would agree that when SE puts new items in the game, the rate of acquisition skyrockets shortly after release. I still remember getting Orpheus's Sash and Epaminondas's ring within the same month it was released from AMAN Trove, but the Sash was from an SP key from Gobbie Box. What are the odds out of the thousands of items in the game, it would pick an item that was just recently introduced? That kind of luck never catches me. Similar things have happened too frequent for it to be completely random. I do believe they tinker with the drop rates shortly after a change to make them appear higher, and then fix them back down later. Kind of builds excitement for the new stuff so more people engage in it.

Just go to the sim page. Set DA at 100%, remove the ammo slot.

Then shift ***around. You might find 1% here or there. Not enough to make me amend "change nothing" to a 5 paragraph diatribe over.

That's for simon to do.

I don't know y'all. The Double Attack Ammo is fine for melee build theorycrafting. But, I would take the +Stat Earring in a heartbeat for the +20~30 DEX/AGI/VIT/MND/INT. STR is just a bonus.

40% is a serious claim, is it using VS at 1000%? Just basic clarification would help.

Isn't an INT+30 earring going to beat all other earrings for nuking?

Declaring the percentage is overly ambitious, it won't be 40% or 50%

It'll be more. More is more.

20% with zero changes and 25% with absolute white knuckling/tryharderism, would be my guess, at most.

(*) You will get to change your ambuscade cape to STP instead of DA!
(mine already was)

Reminds me of Null Masque when it came out. I'm not one to dabble in conspiracies but I'm convinced they really did ninja-nerf drop rates on that one.

Go back to the beginning of the Shinryu HTBF VD era when it was released, and look at the thread. You saw the cloak screenshots within a few hours of the fight being out. There couldn't have been more than a few dozen people who had done the fight up to that point, given that congestion is a thing with 3 people limit, plus not many people were online. Now? Hundreds of VD solos later, haven't seen a single one. Even during the exploit, I talked to a few people and some people got a few drops, but the number of people spamming that fight was into the hundreds. The amount of drops people didn't get did not match the engagement, so something was clearly off.

It's not a conspiracy at all, and it's probably exactly what I would do if I was running a video game company and needed to drive engagement for my new content release, to convince my employer it was a success. Once the initial hype dies off, it returns to the expected rate, to prolong the content as long as possible. It's like glorified Black Friday deals.