Weapon Tierlists 2025

I mean yeah sure you can do that, but I've done dozens of 8 boss runs where it is just face smashed. I've done it on WAR DRK and SAM. SAM using Yaeg was clearly safest and quickest. Speculate on paper all you like, what jobs have you actually done it on? Doubt Simon really plays any of them also.

I've done it on most or all of them in 8, 9, PUG scenario (RDM GEO COR BRD WAR DRK SAM BST etc), but none of that matters besides just a deflection.

I'm saying, Taint is the one who brought up kiting F in 8-boss after Asylum wears instead of just in 9b as the preferred method, rather than zerging, because it's safer and you basically won't die. If the bar is that SAM is better because their SP makes them unkillable, but you can kill Gartell without the same risk of dying in some other way, then that specific caveat to Yaegesumi is no longer as the selling point for SAM being superior DD

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In 9 boss you have PLD so not sure what you are comparing them for. Isn't the discussion a 2 DD 8 boss run?

ftr I'm not at all pro SAM for anything else, I quite like using WAR WAR for 8 boss really. No Yaeg or Soul Enslavement, just high DPS durable, reliable jobs.

You just asked me what jobs I've done it on. I said I've done it on several jobs using multiple methods, including 9-boss. That still has nothing to do with your point, K123.

If what you are saying in 8boss is: "SAM is the best DD for Gartell due to Yaeg because SAM cannot be killed" (and I'm not even disputing it), but I mentioned Taint's preferred method for killing Gartell in 8-boss that requires kiting it after Asylum wears off, so there is no risk of death, then the defensive benefit of Yaegesumi isn't as significant since he's outlined a method for people to clear it without needing to block TP moves. You'd still use Yaegesumi regardless because its broken and I agree it's the strongest SP, but if you are saying there is a risk of dying to Gartell and Yaeg makes it so there's no risk, you can eliminate that risk instead of zerging it and hoping you get it down before he starts wrecking people. By kiting (Taint's method).

I've seen parties wipe to Gartell even when a SAM uses Yaegesumi, maybe you have a 100% clear rate and have never wiped to it with a SAM, but I have seen it and it's still very possible.

Yeah I kinda feel like they are done.



Back to weapons:

So there is a lot of talk about Origin's damage. However there is something pretty similar that is usually overlooked. Obviously it doesn't have the "Full Restore" gimmick.


I'm talking this thing.



Been playing with it on BST has been kinda fun to screw with. WAR with Warcry and stuff is great too.

More or less it packs the same punch as a Prime WS. I found it to be pretty neat with Soul Enslavement/Zerging. Not going to lie but it is a solid Darkness damage option for Warrior. stacked with War-cry and Mighty Strikes its pretty fun.

The unique effect is kind of really bad. But there is no way this is worthy of the lowest rank.






Screwing around on BST/SAM of all jobs with only trusts.
Shining One Impulse is also on par with Prime Polearm based on FTP alone. (plus it can crit). Everybody sees it as A rank.

This scythe should not be the same rank as the GK or GS lol.. C at best.

I prefer people come whatever jobs help get it done. My opinion is optimization/efficiency all of the time is not what I always feel like doing (others differ). If someone wants to BST an 8-boss and can check all of the boxes because they have great gear or St3-5 prime and want to use it, I am all for it. I don't really care if people want to play a favorite job, if it makes efficiency go down by a small percentage, but we still clear 8 bosses anyways.

You're usually with PUGs some of the time in 8b, so it's unlikely to go as perfect anyways (someone will get lost, aggro, forget to heal or do something else necessary), so they're not optimized unless you're in a static. If you're in a static though with friends, I would argue that's the perfect place for friends to play whatever jobs they want in a relaxed setting, so long as it doesn't disrupt the flow of the run too much. So having job required rankings for a daily event every single day for 1 hour is kind of silly, but I digress

9 Boss is a different story; the entire premise of the run is maximizing your Gallimaufry potential, so you don't have as much wiggle room to experiment. The group is probably already very efficient and has practiced a long time, so it's hard to just introduce a rock in the pond randomly and expect it to go smooth. If anything, 8b is the perfect place to interchange DDs

Was a guy in the war thread who ran testing on what gave the best dmg results under wc/ms and iirc ambu scythe won for slashing. Only thing bad about it is what you stated, its unique effect is pretty mediocre, its not the ambu gs atleast

Curious how Drepanum performs on DRK with Spiral Hell w/ Warcry. Modifiers are pretty close to Origin outside of PDL. Wouldn't this Scythe/Spiral Hell pretty much be the best or second-best scythe pre-prime?

damn, now my BLM is getting bad ideas....

ehh
I just R15'd Pixquizpan +1 for a Shadow of Death/Dark Harvest scythe. Carry around a Blurred Staff +1, Maliya Sickle +1, and Drepanum, but still waiting on an opportunity to use them all (Next Ambu that uses BLM I'm going HAM)

Resolution at 2000 TP is 5x 1.5 ftp and would pretty much always be 8 hit. Don't know how the 0.85 attack modifier works with PDL though, is it just a negative PDL value or multiplied?

Its -atk so its even more atk you need to reach pdl cap

Yo dude, Resolution fell off so hard, it's shameful. With Lionheart and fully buffed, it used to be elite on RUN, and WAR had an amazing time zerging with it, but it just didn't age well with the times (Nyame etc). The attack penalty hurts a lot but can be overcome with buffs (RUN suffers the most), but the WS is still weak comparably to others.

I remember we had the idea during V20 Bumba to bring a DRK and have him Resolution with max buffs, since Torcleaver would SC too much. It was so bad, the DRK switched out to Savage Blade instead.

I melee on BLM or SCH a lot using their mythics they are pretty sweet, main question is if you want to change your subjob to have cataclysm or not.

If only their mythic ws were usable from range it would be so much better.

Don't bring this up today, Jakey!! There is no logical reason why Earth Crusher and Cataclysm can't be obtained by BLM natively. That seems like the biggest oversight of all, and I should submit a bug report for it because that seems completely wrong (BLM has higher staff skill than WHM and GEO, but both of jobs learn it natively????)

Oh, I've long been a fan of BLM/SAM w/ Laevateinn, its gotten me thru way too many nights of solo MLs :) I just hadn't given Drepanum a real thought for BLM before, so now i've got even more twisted ideas swirling around, hehe....

I mean I can think of a reason they didn't want us to have cataclysm...

Sounds like a reason BLM should have Cataclysm :DDD
(and then walk through all the hits with Mana Wall, just disgustingly fun)

Tier SS: Flaming *** of Justice

It's got a hidden accuracy penalty that scales up as your HP goes down.


Depends on fight but if you are super buffed doing MS zerg, then it's gonna be straight 99K's, but then again so will any other WS and it's down to whatever gains TP faster. Bonus with Reso is that if you whiff a hit, your still dealing high five digits while the others you just get a goose egg with the occasional ~10K from a DA proc. RUN and DRK have better options and don't come equipped with the silliness that is Warcry + MS + BR WS spam.

But the sims!

In a tier list for primes, when only two weapons are in the S-rank spot it implies that Mpu is a cut above the rest, rather than just being a single job's best damage option. Any RDM or BRD making a prime off this tier list thinking they can retire naegling after they finish will be sorely disappointed. Especially given how easy it is to acquire naegling, and how lengthy the time to acquire a prime. Multi-job access IS a perk, but clearly not enough of one for Helheim to average higher than a 'B' rank on this list.

Naegling wouldn't be S-ranked if it was the best weapon for 1 the 13 jobs on it, and just ok sometimes for the rest. It's S-rank because it's the best damage option for the majority of them

Mpu is so well thought of because it allows groups to do Aminon quickly. Not hard to understand.

Not in the hands of a dnc with dnc damage JAs, it's not that impressive. I thought thf would do well with it too with SA/TA but those JAs are still stuck on the long cooldowns.

Same scenario as for other:
1000TP: 44.5k
2000TP: 82.3k
3000TP: 125k

Not really on par with Origin. Also again Origin has 5-7% Triple Attack.

DPS when spamming drops down to 12400 from ~17300


It misses 5% of the time, but it's not like you need to keep hitting it to stay alive. You have tons of HP, DT and meva. Origin just helps you stay at max HP to create buffer. You would need to miss several Origins in a row and have WHM sleep irl to die. Also if we bring SPs, you still have Blood Weapon too.

so we've heard a lot about 2h primes and mpu gandring, how about the rest of the 1h and h2h primes. I remember early info about katana was pretty underwhelming, is that still the case?

The wonderful benefit of this tier list discussion being a poll is that so many stupid people can influence it to shift things around to fit their delusions/wishes, and in turn the results of this will continue to influence other people who will point to it as if it's somehow factual.

But on the other hand, its fun and gets people to yell at one another, and boy do I love a good show.

You should probably consider the chances to get a miss with these WS though.

Savage Blade: 99% accuracy, 2 hits (only one of which actually matters). 1% chance to miss.

Resolution: 95% accuracy, 5 hits (not including MA procs).

I'm not exactly a mathemagician, but I think Resolution has a higher chance of getting a miss than a Savage Blade...