Weapon Tierlists 2025

I would compere them with Primes. Either stage 3 or 4.

That's how all the def down WS work, ageha just (presumably) has a macc variable to its TP rather than duration, not enough to break the resistance tiers on some bosses as you need to actually drop their ranks via rayke or something, sometimes not even that being enough

Ah I see now
So All defense down is classified as wind dmg?
Tenebral does dark and the defense down is wind??

Correct, the only known exceptions are angon and corrossive ooze from bst pet which are non-elemental and are guaranteed to land, maybe jump under spirit surge, not sure on that one.

Even adding those among the 2 hander weapons they're also pretty comparable in ftp/mods(gkt probably got the better combo of them all actually) and the goal is the same in trying to get to 2k~ which SAMs going to get to quicker.

DRKs biggest lead is its higher raw dmg and used to be its large bump in job haste, but the 2nd ones been given away to other jobs along with only needing 12% of it at capped haste since capping gear/magic is the norm for everything, add in how much DDs can be buffed to the moon and the atk lead starts to close and it starts shifting who can either get WS' out faster and/or what provides the bigger DPS boost in its kit, which i think the other 2 handers have gotten more over the yrs if they didnt have those already.

Drk has an attack advantage over Sam. Less so with War due to berserk.

Sam has a tp gain advantage over all 2h jobs and all jobs in general would argue. Also has access to more JA haste for when not magic haste capped, or slowed.

War has a "can do well with multiple weapons, 1h and 2h" advantage over all other jobs.

Drg has high power jumps, high tp gain and JA haste from wyvern but less attack, similar to Sam.

Drk also has an accuracy disadvantage over other jobs, whereas Drg has the highest acc among 2handers.

They all have strengths and weaknesses. If you are capping attack via buffs, drk's attack bonus does nothing.

If you always have warcry available because every boss fight is <1min and warcry gives 700tp to everyone in the party then War obviously adds a lot to the group.

There are always going to be pluses and negatives to a job because if all jobs were the same we'd have FFXIV's battle system and wtf wants that.

Doesn't make drk any worse, or any other job any better. Just different.

*Nothing* will make Foenaria any good purely dmg wise though.

I wouldn't really compare ftp etc. because its kinda meaningless. There are job specific things that will completely break ftp/wsc only comparison. SAM has overwhelm, DRK has absorb with +96STR and ***tons of PDL and attack. DRK also has Scarlet Delirium which many people like to ignore, because it's tricky to apply, but even if you apply it poorly, it's still +5-10% unique multiplier to whole damage.

I would generally pair DRK with WAR, so you would have warcry and wouldn't need to TP to 2000 at all, but let's assume no WAR and sim it with only indi-fury against archaic cog and let's even give it a Soul Voice. Let's assume its standard 8bosses, so WHM and GEO instead of RDM, so Dia II. Overwhelm for SAM. ML40. Solid TP sets (DRK full Sakpata and SAM Kasuga with af and relic feet/hands). Both /drg. Foenaria IV against Kusanagi IV

SAM DPS spamming: ~15200 EDIT: Overwhelm was clicked off 16800
SAM DPS trying to wait until 1500TP: 15400 EDIT: Overwhelm was clicked off 16950

DRK DPS spamming: 17046
DRK DPS trying to hold xxxxTP: doesnt make sense you lose DPS

I cant sim meditate or scarlet delirium.

You can't sim ryuo sunate :D
There is no wait, sometimes I wonder if it's worth using tp bonus because if I wait the full duration of a skillchain window I will have 3k for more than half of the window.

There's enough time to miss and still have enough to get back to 2k+
Capped haste, Sam roll

"24hr sims" mean nothing when the fight is <1min. Apples to cobble pie.

This is so dumb.

Use Warcry, add Yaeg.

First of sorry, my mistake or rather kinda inconvenient feature of sim, it did reset overwhelm (though I guess you would have it up 100% of the time in 2DD scenario, but lets assume it's 100%)

this changes SAM dps to 16800-16950


I used AF and Relic feet/hands, so slightly weaker than Tatenashi and Ryuo, but this is Sortie basement bossees so I assume you wouldn't use 0 meva items. Full Sakpata on DRK wasn't full dps too.

Sim still shows 1.956sec for SAM to reach over 1000TP witht his set, which is significantly faster than anyone else. Switching to glass cannon feet/hands brings it down to 1.862sec and increase dps to 17200-17350 I'm not sure if that's worth it. Thats 2%dps boost for significant drop in meva.


This is true, but there is no buffs ending here so it's practically 1440 of 1 min fights.

So yeah they are about even in dps before meditate, scarlet or SPs.

Why is Ochain D tier?

I was always told it + Aegis were the staple on Pld.

I cant sim Yeagasumi. Yaegasumi would generally push WSs to 99k most likely, but after how many seconds? You need to get hit twice from TPmoves or TP move-like auto attacks. On the other hand Warcry alone would push WSs to 99k on DRK and Soul Enslavement would drastically increase WS frequency, but how much TP it would absorb exactly, even avg per hit? I don't know. I can't really sim that.

Duban basically repped ochain completely, only thing ochain does is give some mp on block now which is generally negligible

And? Dosent matter if it's the best. It's not the only job that can sortie and its not the only job with access benifical 1 hr. The only absolute dd in sortie is dnc for a fast aminon kill.

Back on topic. I agree that Foenaria is not S tier. Damage wise it's behind most 2 handed primes. PA and GKT are the kings and polearm has the best ws hands down.

Ochain being replaced by Duban shouldnt suddenly make Ochain shitty.

It should be a tier list amongst themselves, especially when the alternative is an item that takes 6 months and 130+++ of hours of Sortie.

Thats the thing duban reps ochain at s2, so thats what 20k galli?

I get trying to rank them in their own section but when its that painless to get a shield that can completely replace the other its hard to not drop in rating

Does it get the full relevant bonuses at stage 2?

it gets the same base block chance of ochain + 118 skill so its actually better as a block shield than ochain which is the shields main appeal. it's also +100 DEF over ochain which does have some merit even if a lot of blocked dmg gets reduced to single digits already

PA doesn't have the best WS, it's simply DRG WS trait that push it that much also again Foenaria is not behind any 2h. If you would give Foenaria to WAR it would do the same as with Laphria or more and SAM damage would skyrocket probably.

I think an argument has to be made about usefulness for a job VS usefulness of the job with that weapon.

For example, Nirvana is superb for a Summoner, but would you consider a Summoner with a Nirvana as valuable as a Corsair with a Death Penalty?

The list changes if you're viewing it from either viewpoint.

Diarmuid gets extra points for being a two-hitter. Yeah an occasional 4-digit WS sucks but the skillchain lives on.

Btw I did MNK Sim in the same scenario and it beats both Sam and drk by a good margin with 3 different weapons and few different WSs, but has no access to any good offensive SPs, beside maybe countering slow on DH or haste stolen on BF. Meditate and scarlet could probably make Sam and drk to catch up. Especially DRK.

Don't get the hate on foenaria in particular, unless we're to say all scythe WS' are bad origin aint any worse than CR or insurgency, and those are the go to dmg WS for the weapon. It's no different than any of the other primes in that its one of your top WS if not the top, not even accounting for sc flexibility provided

"Not worse than Insurgency or Cross Reaper" is not a huge selling point for a WS.

Mumei is miles ahead of Fudo, Diarmuid light years ahead of.. the next best option for drg, savage I guess.

No hate, just facts. Origin is not as strong as the other prime WSs. If I seriously played Drk I would get Helheim before Foenaria, even with the "restores hp/mp" cool factor.

Not like Drk doesn't have other options among the primes than the scythe.

anguta cross reaper was pretty great pre sortie, dunno where it stands now.

So that would mean all scythe WS are bad, since those are the weapons 2 best WS for raw dmg and comparable to their GS equivalents which is what im confused on, their ftp/mods are perfectly fine given scythe base dmg and its own pdif(before pdl) is all higher than the other 2 handers and CR is right next to torc/fimb for WS

This is some serious misinformation.

Origin is the same light years ahead of any other Scythe WS and Fimbulvetr isn't better.

Origin median WS damage with capped attack against archaic cog, targeting different TP thresholds, Marcato Aria, Absorb-STR, 99k cap limit turn off:
1000TP: 62k
2000TP: 115k
3000TP: 158k

Fimbulvetr:
1000TP: 61k
2000TP: 108k
3000TP: 148.5k

Torcleaver(CaladbolgR15 and Absorb-VIT):
1000TP: 65k
2000TP: 96.5k
3000TP: 120k

Cross Reaper:
1000TP: 54.7k
2000TP: 90k
3000TP: 127k

It's best DRK WS hands down, only loosing to Torc at low TP threshold, because it starts lower, but scales much better.

100% this. The stage that is good enough to replace Ochain is so easy to get that there is no reasonable argument to NOT bump Ochain down, due to the extremely minimal effort/investment to get the better alternative. If we didn't do that, it would also be unreasonable to rank a REMA low just because the other REMAs are better (and another REMA is a far greater investment than a mere Stage 2 Prime). For example, Kannagi offers better performance than any non-REMA katana, but it still gets a lower ranking because of its performance relative to other NIN REMAs. Or like... Guttler and Tri-Edge do (and should) get dinged a bit for performing worse than the easier to obtain Ambuscade Axe.

To add to the Duban details for full transparency, the minor downside of Stage 2 Duban in that it still has the 1hp/tic and 1mp/tic "Slowly devours your soul" drain effect. Fairly trivial to deal with for the substantial benefit though (and can have some actual use in waking you from sleep!).

Stage 3 just improves it further, and unlike other Stage 3 Primes it doesn't have any stats that are only available inside Sortie. Stage 3 adds: DEF+5, VIT/MND+25, Shield skill+5, Status resist +10, MDT II -15%, and gets rid of the 1hp/1mp per tic drain. Still a nice bang for your Sortie buck at a cost of 1mil Galli + 5 Voracious Psyches. For someone like me where the Prime St4+ grind no longer fits my FFXI play, getting St3 Duban and leaving it there might be the limit of my tolerance to build a Prime. Just by virtue of being able to get away with that, I'd put Duban in S-tier due to the incredible value for your invested time.

The 99k cap is a huge factor though. How fast you get to 99k is the name of the game with Primes.