Weapon Tierlists 2025

As for the rankings themselves go. I believe the following is true, but if people disagree, then that's totally fine. I don't claim to be an expert.

- Guttler is decent for BST. Yes, it isn't Aymur, but as others suggested, it opens up decent damage potential when the pet isn't so important. It's definitely more useful to BST than say, Ragnarok is for DRK, or Bravura for WAR at this point. Sadly, most of the relics aren't worth it these days, and even more so after Primes.

- Mythics seem about right, except for seeing Aymur outside the S-tier. It is game changing for BST, and I know this because I finished mine a couple of months ago. However, I can understand some dropping it lower because BST itself is rarely used outside of niche fights. It's on the same level as Nirvana for SMN, but that is more known for its AF+Conduit burns.

- Empyreans seem spot on for me.

- Aeneas seems too high for my liking in Aeonics. Yes, there was a point where it was one of the better daggers, but overtime it has only become something you solo 4-steps with. That goes for Anguta as well. There are better daggers out there, although if one cannot get hold of those, then it will serve well as a placeholder.

I'd also place Fomalhaut in S-tier, because any RNG or COR doing Last Stand are using it. Not only that... but it gives Chrono Bullets.

- Lycurgos being that low in Ambuscade weapons is painful to see. As a RUN and DRK, I often use it to land Armor Breaks. Even if it isn't being used on WAR, it adds something very useful to other jobs. DRK can also sc with itself to Drain 3 MB to cap its HP. It is at least A-tier for me.

Don't want to comment on the rest as I do not know enough about them.


Seems like you are misunderstanding. He played DRK to a high level for many, many, many years before Sortie, and kept on doing so in there for a long time. It was only after trying other jobs that they found DRK was not as efficient for them.

Nobody has to agree when he says DRK isn't as efficient as DNC SAM or WAR in Sortie, but that certainly doesn't mean he can't play the job right. He has never disrespected DRK, and neither have I. We have loved DRK for decades now and will keep doing so.

DRK is my main and I play it when I can, but if being a RUN, or a THF, or a COR, or a SCH, or a RDM, or a BST is more efficient for the content? I am not going DRK. That hurts, because I love DRK, but I am always thinking about how to make things easier for my group over what I personally enjoy.

Looking at primes I think people are rating Varga way too low or just looking at it for MNK only, for MNK its a Solid B or C weapon as you look at it at stage 5 its slightly stronger than Verethagna but for PUP it allows one to tank and DPS still while giving your pet the extra 3 levels to be stronger as a tank. I think that as a PUP is an A or B tier when you look specifically at the job. I think people are mostly looking at these weapons based on there favourite jobs and everything else is ***instead of taking individual merit based on the jobs on it and tiering them properly based on the job and what it can or cannot bring to them. I find if its just a popularity contest this entire thing is useless.

Really Felt betryal from him cause he is DRK main as me, and he says that DRK is not good as others. I agree with you.

This is it about ranking Primes. Most players don't have one, nevermind several. Many groups won't have completed Primes. It's like, for example, if I was asked to rank TV dramas, I'd majorly struggle because I've only seen a few in my lifetime.

So, at this point, Primes are ranked by 1) people who have them, and 2) what others have only read about them. Most voters who showed up for this, including myself, did not go out of their way to seriously research every weapon. I said this on the first page as well. It was not going to be accurate.

Big thanks to the OP for doing this by the way. I'm not against it at all. However, I do believe this needed to remain open for several weeks so many more votes could be collected. Only then would results appear more accurate. With that said, I wouldn't take the results too seriously. Especially the Primes.


DRK for life, man. The job has had its share of ups and downs. Sometimes it is king. Other times it is laughed at for being weak. The important thing is to remember that this is just a game, and we will love this job no matter what is said about it.

It's one thing to be a ______ main and be passionate about it. It's entirely snother thing to deny reality and ignore facts, and spit in the face of other people who main that thing.

You don't have to pretend a job is the absolute best in every situation ever just because you "main" it. It's fine to have realistic opinions and recognize when it's not as good as others. You don't have to have a 12 year old tantrum over it.

I replied for the comment that DRK only Good to AFK in town. I understand that other jobs works and all, but saying that a job is under performance because some other jobs do it easier is not good image coming from a DRK Main. I Don't care if you main it for 1100000 years if you talk down about it with a tone that sounds like you invested your time with the wrong job and other jobs do it better plus this coming from a DRK main.

No one cares what your main is.

Foenaria is not game changing as a weapon - drk has both prime and non prime options that outdo it pure dmg wise - and most drks with a stage 5 Foenaria just use it to show off in town.

If this makes you salty, tough. It's a fact.

Can cry and make a big wha wha about it, that really paints drks in a good light.

Sorry DRKs but a SAM using Yaeg is the best DD for F, the best 2nd DD logically then is WAR for the Warcrys. Sorry not sorry.

Sorry to break it to you both poster above my post, you guys on block list cause your opinion worth Zero value to me. keep trying to validate your existence in this game by shitposting in here forever.

Oh look-y-here, a Drk with Stage 5 Foenaria in their natural habitat.

Observe the dmg while he's standing there with that fuchsia glow. Isn't it glorious? That curve at the tip..

How would you see posts of people you have blocked when you have them blocked? This level of psycho head-stuck-in-*** naievety is rare.

I do think people need to recognize there is a subjectivity to this list and that no 2 people are grading the weapons on the same criteria.

personally, i didnt do relics because I honestly don't know enough about them to judge fairly outside of ghallerhorn.

I'm also guessing that many weapons are being thrown in d tier when a player doesn't play those jobs. for me personally, S tier doesn't mean a weapon you won't ever take off, but that it's the best option for what it does. there are absolutely some that will be overall better, but they can both fall into S tier. Naegling i think most people can agree on should be in that category, as it's usable my many jobs, and is just a straight up powerhouse no matter where you use it. My take on this, as someone who plays warrior often, is that yes, it's S tier when i can use it, but i also use loxotix mace when i need blunt damage, and shining one when i need piercing, and when doing content where there is a wall, and others are using savage, i use helheim because the damage is comparable and doesn't add to the wall.

for that reason i rank nelheim in A tier and not lower because when it's needed, it's on par with a S tier weapon. it also gives warrior a very straight forward darkness option.

I also think people are comparing relics to relics, emps to emps and so forth, when objectively, they shouldn't be compared like that since most jobs can't use multiple.

it should also be examined what the weapon brings to the job, if it augments it in some meaningful way and whether that augment is still relevant in the current meta.

let me use blm as an example. the staves in question are

Xoanon
Khatvanga
Hvergelmir
Laevateinn
Opashoro

in just that short list i would rank the ambu staff as D tier because it's outclassed by every other staff, and mages seldom TP, and if they do, they certainly aren't using retribution.

of the remaining 4, the highest damage potential is the prime, with stage 4 out damaging the mythic both when comparing without AM and with AM. and stage 5 is just a complete step ahead, which is honestly sad considering the investment the mythic was. so functionally, i can't justify putting laev higher than C.

prime would fall into A for me because bunzi is also much more approachable for most players, so i can't rank a staff S tier when a non dream weapon is objectively better and more functional. Now, i say "better", but the price will beat out bunzi's damage with AM up, but for the way i play, i don't lock weapons, and losing that 50 fast cast from the emp staff would require me to revamp my entire set just to accommodate using the prime WS which still requires setup to use properly.

the remaining 2 are niche staves, each excelling in their function, so A or B tier would be appropriate, giving a slight edge to the emp because fast cast is used much more often than occult acumen. the emp is also an amazing staff for death with the very high amount of MP it provides, you just have to build your set around it to make use of that.

so I did realize i completely left out claustrum, but let's just be honest, this staff sits solidly in D tier because it's uses are few at best, and it doesn't excel in anything except wasting space.

Again.. It's ranking of the weapons for jobs, not for the meta. It's S tier weapon for DNC, A+ for THF, B for RDM and A for BRD. You could say you should take avg from that and set it as A, but that wouldn't make sense, because weapon being accessible for many jobs even as an A or B alternative is just an advantage for it being an S weapon for DNC. Its the solo reason for me it could be considered an overall S prime weapon. If it was only an S tier weapon for DNC and no other job would have an use case for it, it would be an overall A prime for me, same as Kusanagi.

Simon's post sums up the whole things pretty accurately. Tier lists are subjective and everyone is going to have a different ranking of "thing being ranked" versus "other thing being ranked". At best, tier lists can give you a general indication of how good or bad something is when a majority of people making said lists put a certain thing in a similar bracket. What's A tier or S tier to one person may be D tier to another, and so often you see this in lists (any lists, not just the one this topic is about. There are countless lists on countless subjects floating about by now). I know what weapons I think are most valuable to me on the jobs I play; but someone who plays entirely different jobs may have different opinions on what's valuable to them, and we probably wouldn't agree even on the overlapping jobs we both play.

When Simon talk I listen and take notes! :P

My issue with DRK is that you waste time casting, while SAM/WAR/DRG just pump out pure damage/tp gain, only stopping to use JAs as needed.

Pointing this out should not get a guy crucified. I've been pushing DRK to it's limits, and it's just a simple observation.

DRK can do some really cool ***, but is not the best DPS these days. Fun as hell to play however.

Also:
Absorb Defense/Haste {Can I have it?}

Hi Aragan v2!

I mean.. Unresisted DSNV Absorb-str has like 7min duration (and gives like 96STR) Resisted 3.5, still covers whole boss fight and you can do it on the way or pull boss with it (I don't remember how it works exactly against each boss in Sortie, but I don't think they can resist it completely when used with darkseal) . What other spells you cast realistically during the fight? Endark and drain are done before the fight too.

absorb defense I could see an argument for, but why haste? they have zero ability in enhancing or light magic.

So, I can see an argument being made for absorb defense, though realistically I could see absorb attack before defense, but why should they have access to haste? Drk has zero proficiency in enhancing magic and their spells that do fall on the light side are all elemental nukes. I could see a possible argument for a haste samba type effect where they absorb the enemy's attack speed on attack, but not haste in the traditional sense.

Casting isnt all that regular tbh, as simon points out the durations are pretty lengthy, DRKs primary issue(imo) is it got left behind in the TP gain department, can still drop dmg np but sam/drg/war can drop comparable dmg at a faster rate.

Along with the fact things like SE havent aged well either which used to be a pretty potent risk:reward buff

I don't think SAM has in general that much if any dps advantage over DRK, but Sortie fights are so short that meditate and sekkanoki could be more impactful than normal.

Sekki is for agheha
Agheha is a advantage over drk

Ageha only works on easier bosses (AECG) and only conditionally on harder ones and BRD can make shell crusher which would be way more efficient than losing WS on DD and DRK can still do armor break.

Zanhasso+iki on its own creates a nice surplus of TP, enough to offset gkts lower dmg and sams lower atk imo, can also consider overwhelm's WSD boost but that's more variable.

Like fudo for example since hybrids are cheating and this is the non-prime runner up is;
80% STR 3.7 / 5.7 / 8.0 vs
CR 60 STR/MND 2 / 4 / 7 or
Torc at 80 VIT 4.7 / 7.5 / 9.7

Both jobs are going to want to hold to 2k~ SAM just gets to that 2k faster due to more overflow. Could be overselling the value of it however.


It's a minor one in that the drk now has to start in Gaxe but another job could just do shell crusher instead and skip that whole thing

It looks like you get the 1.5-3min duration as long as it does dmg

I would wonder based on your comment that maybe a mnk with ask sash would be a better choice for shell crusher without a samurai present. Missing out on am with God hands isn't the worst trade off

Then again I am basing this off my alts performance with tp gain on brd

As long as it hits -and- its wind based debuff doesnt get resisted and for stuff like sortie/ody bosses this is a very likely thing to occur

It applies wind based def down effect. DH will resist it completely unless in right mode. BF will resist it too unless in wind mode.

Sorry my bad I should have clarified as we are talking about multiple forms of defense down now
Agheha appears to work when landing damage or just misses
The 1.5 to 3mins

I was talking about Ageha.