Weapon Tierlists 2025

I do agree with that point, maybe that's why I started nitpicking at the supplied criteria.

This is all in good fun anyway; I enjoyed some of the more shitposty tier lists.

It's hard to argue that Aria of Passion, while very good, isn't as "vital" as Honor March and such.

But honestly for me the best part of Laughnashade is being able to cast 4 songs without swapping instruments (with the small exception of *** Honor March, but I digress).
That alone is by far an insane QoL in my book, but hey I apologize if it's just me!

Hmmm in work sure, in responsibilities you don't like sure, BUT in a game you play for fun? :)

Right so that explains why you'd be so incensed at the thought thought of Foenaria being in the same tier as the other heavy DD jobs. You're rating a weapon based on the current status of the job in relation to content, not on what the weapon does for the job. Which is two different conversations.

Put another way: if DRL suddenly becomes top meta job somehow, does Foenaria magically climb to S tier and do other jobs weapons fall in the ranking because now their relative position fell? I feel like these are two different conversations that kinda doesn't have to do with the job's strength composter to others, but rather the weapon on the job itself

Never said this. Said Aria is conditional (attack capped) so you won't airways use it. HM has no such condition, the only time you wouldn't use it is maybe for your mages to get more haste value. Totally not the same

Fun Fact about certain scythe WS:
Cata/Entropy/Origin will bypass shadows. Thought that was neat, but I can't recall too many recent NMs spamming Blink.

Lough offers more than Aria though.
It allows the bard to put 4 songs at max potency on anyone without juggling Daur. If youre fighting stuff that has a penchant for removing songs, this is a huge asset.

No you didn't say that and actually implied the opposite.
And I was emphasizing that because I, of course, completely agree that Aria isn't as good as Honor, because it has a requirement (and actually that requirement is more steep than a lot of people realize)

While I wholeheartedly agree with you on that, I was trying to say that in my humble opinion the best part of Laughnashade isn't Aria, that's just icing on the cake for me.
The best part is being able to put up 4 songs up instantly at max potency without having to do the overwrite trick for song 3 and 4.
Something that is insanely annoying when people dies or gets dispelled and a plethora of other situations that for me makes BRD sometimes terribly frustrating to play.
Laughnashade S5 destroys not all maybe but a good part of those situations, becoming an unmeasurably good item for QoL on BRD.
Again, just my very personal and biased BRD opinion on it of course, not "the truth".

Arebati as the BRD reapplying songs on the RUN is quite cumbersome with daur

Cross Reaper from Foenaria is almost as good as Torc with Helheim. Fim and Torc are both Distortion which sucks. Cross is distortion and Origin is Fusion and skillchain with Savage which is awesome.

Lol you act like drk can't get the job done. We do drk and sam or war and drk or drg amd drk everyday and get 8 bosses just fine. Is it as good? Maybe not but you seriously need to get off your high horse and stop acting like a group is gimped if it's not doing it the way you do.

Also, im happy you always have /drg and it works for you. My group just zergs gartel ever day with the dds as /sam. Should try to step out of the box sometime. Yo I may actually get some enjoyment in life and stop being so Tainted ;-)

/DRG is smart. WAR or DRK can both use it. I always preferred WAR/SAM and DRK/DRG. DRK doesn't need Hasso in sortie and DRG provides great traits and hate control.

And its not high horsing it. If a player was about to start the sortie grind and were open to any DD job nobody would tell them DRK. DNC is the best DD by far, plus you can work towards 9 bossing. Next would be WAR or SAM depending on gear and weapons.

I'm not going to bow to the crowd just to comply. I'll purple Scythe next just to AFK with you guys.

DRG sub makes sense for Dark anyways. They have their own JA haste, it will always be ready for every boss due to the shortness of fights, and the RDM COR or BRD can sub dancer to apply Haste Samba for the Warrior. SAM/DNC don't have an issue with JA haste, so that's one less thing you worry about.

As someone just coming back to the game after a decent break... how much faith should I put in these results for future reference? Are they fairly accurate?

I mean its generally accurate? As you can see there's back and forth on some options but that's just the state of opinions, you'd be best off actually looking into the weapons and what they offer and deciding off of that vs what a tier list rated by a bunch of randoms say

if you have questions about any specific weapon and why it is ranked where it is feel free to ask, you'll probably get a few different viewpoints.

I for one, would be curious to hear why Mpu Gandring is being ranked so highly. It does dramatically less damage than savage blade on rdm and bard.

I'm given to understand DNC makes excellent use of it, but DNC is vanishingly rare outside of Sortie, and I can't recall the last time i've seen a THF outside of TH procs

It's largely the sortie meta that pushes mpu so high, since its an event youll be running for several months/yr so a weapon that beefs up your top DPS, thus generating more galli/run is going to be rated highly.

But it is an excellent dagger and for dnc in particular gives a very potent light path where your alternative is exent(trash) shark bite(eh) and mandalic stab(THF only) but this is something a lot of primes provide to some extent. Dont think dnc can light at all without prime.

Depending on the content, you cant have multiple NaegBlades going off otherwise you're just all gonna wall each other.

it is my understanding that ruthless stroke is also one of the best prime ws, as they are not all created equally. very similar ftp to rudra's storm with the versatility of opposing skillchain attributes.

True, but for RDM you'd be using Black Halo in that case. And Brd/Cor typically just end up doing savage despite walls, either because it's still more damage than the alternatives, or because of SC concerns

Probably another not-so-obvious reason, but certainly influences people's view of the weapon, is the fact that 4 jobs can use it. When a Prime weapon takes close to 6 months of an investment to fully complete and you can't work on multiple at the same time, the idea that 4 of your usable jobs can equip it and make a powerful 3-step Light SC ranks it high among people's opinion.

Also, check the modifiers for 1-handed prime weaponskills. Ruthless Stroke is set incredibly high due to it being a weaker weapon type, but when supported, it can put out some massive damage.

Oh it definitely factored in to why I made one (S4). But despite the really high ftp, the really low wsc holds it back.

A big part of why I asked about why it is ranked so highly was a concern that I'm just missing something, because despite having the dagger, I rarely find reasons to use it. In my view, an S-ranked weapon ought to be one you never want to take off, rather than have to go looking for a reason to put on.

I suspect Nariont's comment about it's usefulness in the sortie meta inflating it's ranking is accurate, though from my perspective I would consider it's relevance in a single event to be too niche to justify such a high rank overall

I ranked it on my list in A-tier. S/A means the weapon is really good no matter how you slice it; you can flip a couple of them up or down, but what's really the difference, if what you initially are asking is how accurate is the list? It might be off a couple here or there, but the community consensus views it highly. Now, it would be strange if something like Dokoku or Lorg Mor was rated that high, but the list is not way off. It's a good weapon, so whether some put it in S or A is just the difference of someone's opinion.

Yeah, I never had an issue as DRK doing 8/8 Sortie. Garttle is Zerged with Soul enslavement and done it without having a WAR or SAM as secondary DPS, but what you expect from simple job player that want DRK to become simple as War and Sam, Don't blame the Job, you just not good enough.

Feels like some don't know Taint. He has been one of the best DRKs and contributed a lot to its sub forum over the years. He knows how to play the job as good as anyone, along with other jobs.

He also said you absolutely can do Sortie with DRK. He never said you couldn't. He was merely pointing out that from his experiences, it isn't more efficient than using SAM+DNC or SAM+WAR. Of course, everyone's perspectives differ, and that's what a list like this shows as well. Weapon ranks change depending on how you play the game and what you have seen, researched, or talked about.

This topic could be better off educating players on how useful some of the lesser known weapons are, not bickering over who good DRK is in Sortie. I don't go out of my way to know how every Prime or Bonanza weapon works, so it was interesting to see those rankings and read other's explanations. Rankings can easily bring out the worst in some.

Yeah he's just a book worm that did not realize that a complicated job don't fit him.
Don't disrespect DRK cause you suck at it and glaze simple jobs like Sam and War.

Even after he explained Taint’s history with DRK you still make dumbass statements like this.

What genius things do you do on DRK that you imagine Taint hasn't figured out? How fast are your 9 boss runs with DRK, since it's superior to the meta jobs? What's your WS avg on each boss with DRK? Let's stop making broad, vague statements and get into the weeds. Tell us what's wrong with the way Taint plays DRK. Help him improve his sets.