Weapon Tierlists 2025

Maybe if they took the 19% atk penalty off drakesbane

How many delusional people are there who think that the majority of the population of the game are mercs, forming all of their opinions on the basis of keeping their "businesses" profitable?

#AsuraProblems I guess. Even putting all the categories of weapons together, a lot of aeonics would still be A tier or higher. They're very strong, even when compared to all the other REMA, at least half or a third of them are A tier or higher.

BST Mains would like a word with you, but they're too busy playing pokemon.

I disagree. When they're competing with Naegling? D tier. Maybe C for something like Doji.

S-tier is like tier 0 unreplaceable. A-tier is like their next best thing. You're too generous or charitable in your rankings. When there's still a debate for which DPS is the best? I wouldn't put any DPS weapons in S or A. There's more important support PREMA. It's like, are Aeonics as good as Daurdabla? No. That knocks them out of A-tier and down to B at most.

Depends what your criteria for ranking them are, I guess.

For me, a DPS weapon that does more damage than Naegling (of which there are dozens) should probably not be 4 tiers below a Naegling. It's all subjective though and everyone will choose random criteria to make their lists so I guess it's impossible to say.

Personally, when I'm ranking REMA my criteria is something like:
For the job(s) on this weapon, what % of the time I'm playing this job will I be taking advantage of having this item? How much advantage will having this item give me?

Compare the answers to those questions for each weapon - bam, ranking. That's why Gae Buide/Kusanagi/Foenaria/Mpu Gandring can compete with Loughnashade/Idris/Epeo. The answer to all of them is "all the time" and "a *** lot"

What Aeonic is comparable to Duardabla? None? Then they're B-tier at best.

Well, if you're gonna use a tier list with all items included then daurdabla is D tier (or F) because it's only used for Horde Lullaby 2. Beaten by a loughnashade.

To answer your question, using my criteria: heishi, godhands, fomalhaut are all S, or maybe A tier. Certainly nowhere remotely close to C.

Sounds like you haven't seen the light... from shining one...

Here ran out to limbus to see how far over cap I'm at this was with trust buffs and a brd without aria. So that's more than 30k to spare over cap against a normal mob. Probably goes a bit higher only did a few but I think this demonstrates you don't need qutrubs to cap damage with shining one.

Presuming capped potency, Honor March is:
174/1024 magic haste (a shade under capped Advancing March
232 attack (better than Minuet V)
58 Accuracy (half a blade madrigal)

If I had to pick between a Daurdabla or Honor March, I'd take Honor March in every possible situation.

I agree Daurdabla is out classed by Loughnashade, but you're not building Loughnashade without a 4song bard. Hence Loughnashade would S-tier (it's objectively better) and Daurdabla would A-tier (it's easier to make).


Because you're totally making Marsyas with three song, right? Most of you will not even consider a three song bard as a realistic party option because of your elitism unless you're deliberately trying to be contrarion (which less face it, you guys do be trollin'). Like, if I said you can't make Loughnashade with a three song bard, I'm sure one of you would do it just to prove me wrong. Doesn't mean prime weapons still have the highest skill floor to access compared to an aeonic or a relic.

I stand by my ratings of the instruments in relation to all of the weapons.
Loughnashade S-tier.
Daurdabla A-tier
Marsyas B-tier
Gjallahorn C-tier

Cherry picking numbers isn't really going to win you this argument. We all know how strong shining one is, and we're all aware of what dragoon can do with a lance. The simple fact is that the math favors Gae Buide by a considerable margin. More than enough to put its damage output well ahead of shining one. Diarmuid is ridiculously good. And posting "But look at my numbers with XYZ" isn't going to change that. I can post numbers with "XYZ" "ABC" or "LOP" too you know.

Nobody is saying that shining one is suddenly weak. It's always been in the same category as naegling. Naegling just takes the spotlight because it has 3 times more jobs on it, support jobs included. But the prime weapons do surpass ambuscade weapons, and turning your head to look the other way just because you don't have one yet won't make that not be true.

Sure, rather easily. I can easily sleep through Zitah with 3 songs, no HMar. I can get through most of RuAun with the same criteria, Kirin and AV may be a problem. I can get through all of Reisen except for the HELM's (-sandworm) and probably Yakshi. All of those iffy mobs can be cheesed.

Could probably do it melee style with 2025 gear and 3 songs no HMar.

Maletaru already cited heishi, godhands, and fomalhaut as worthy of A tier, but I'd also add Chango to that list. Laphria is definitely a large step ahead of chango in most content where you're just throwing out weaponskill spam and the mobs die in one or two weaponskills, but chango still shines when you can make tons of skillchains with it. It's well ahead of the pack. And I'd also throw in an honorable mention to Fail-Not; not for the bow, but for the chrono quiver. No other standard arrow is as powerful as the chrono arrow, so if you ever want to get the most out of Gandiva or Pinaka then it's mandatory you build a Fail-Not as well....even though the bow itself is likely to spend most or all of its time in your mog house collecting dust. Otherwise you're using second rate ammo.

You can't say Heishi when they're literally using Naegling on Nin to comparable effect.

But hey! Atleast you guys are trying to make the discussion interesting.

It's TP bonus+500 and STP+10, in a meta of weaponskills being the bulk of your damage. If the weapon has a good dmg varies WS, the aeonic's gonna be atleast in B tier

Sure. Maybe for 2handers. I'd still put like Sequence in D-tier. Godhands I could see being B-Tier, or like Doji or Chango. Not universally all Aeonics.

Blu? I'd rather have Tizona over Sequence.
Pld? Burtang.
Rdm? I'd rather just use Naegling for meleeing.

A-tier I think you're competing with things like Spalirisos. Or like Scythe you have to compete with Foenaria and Liberator. Add in Greatswords. Would you put Caladbolg in S or A? Caladbolg Drk is really good, no? But Wat is maybe a better day job so Chango goes up in value because war isn't on Caladbolg, but it is on Helheim. So is greatsword War better with Helheim? I doubt you guys take prime weapons into serious consideration because their acquisition is the hardest probably currently and not all prime weapons are S-tier. Maybe that lowers them on tier list because you're never going to strive for one. I get never getting a Daurdabla of you're going straight for Loughnashade, but if a prime weapon is a ways away you need something for the interim while you progress the account.

Is Epeolatry really good? Ya, but if it's six months out do you just use Aettir until then or do you make a Lionheart to fool around? I wouldn't put Lionheart in A nor S tier. It's good, but Epeolatry is just so much cumfier. Lionheart honestly feels like a waste. D tier. It's to run what most staves and clubs are, excluding Yagrush and Nirvana.

I think you either have to include primes or not. You can't say daurdabla is good because you need it to get a lough, then turn around and say Scythe has to compete with foenaria...

If you're including primes, then daurdabla and gjallar are ***-tier. If you're not including primes then there's absolutely no universe where gjallarhorn is C tier, you sir are high as ***.

You're free to rank things with whatever off the wall scale you can think of, but saying calad isn't good because you wanna play WAR is a wild way to rank weapons, IMO.


Not even remotely true. Heishi does 99k every few seconds, SB does 55k, maybe 65k if you have SV up.

As an aside: you can absolutely make a loughnashade without ever making a daurdabla or a gjallarhorn. Bring another job to sortie.

First I never said Shining one was better... you're the one deleting what I quoted of maletaru saying that I needed qutrubs to cap shining one damage so that you could say no one is saying shining one is bad, maletaru was saying that and that's what I was responding to.

What I was trying to argue (I guess poorly) is the prime lance doesn't seem like a huge outlier as far as primes go once you compare it to what DRG can do with other polearms like shining one, DRG just generally hits like a truck no matter what. Now somehow that has turned into I think Primes are bad because I defended that Shining one is good?

Sure. When you can use Chi or To on an enemy specifically weak to that.

Also, if you're doing a best weapons list, why would you not include primes?



So if Ghorn os bad when you include primes (assume F-tier), but good when you don't (assume A or S), then overall would it not make sense tonput it somewhere in the middle? C-tier.


I didn't say Caladbolg isn't good. I said:

So you didn't answer he question. Would you put Caladbolg in S or A?
Where would you put Helheim in the rankings? If Helheim is S. Is Caladbolg also S to you? When you overbloat the S tier it loses it's meaning. It's not because I wanna play greatswodd War over Drk because there's some specific fights where you need Drk to mitigate TP feed to the enemy, no? So maybe in one or two fights Drk outshines War, but overall which weapon are you getting the most bang for your buck. Which has the greatest effective value.
Your average weapon is C-tier. Not A-tier.
You get too emotional and make no rankings. You just say a blanket statement like all Aeonics should be A-tier and I'm like, really? even Staff and Club? That's why I can't take you as seriously objective.

But that's not the point of the argument. That's why when you're like, but you can just an Aeonic. You could pay a merc to do most content for you. That defeats the purpose. It's not just what do you need to get it. It's how useful is it to the job as a whole in relation to things like acquisition method in relation time, cost investment, and overall how useful or powerful it is for the job. Six months for an Ergon seems long at first as you have to get Legend in every Coalition, but how long is it to makena Prime? A year? What do you during that interim? Your answer is play other jobs. Truth be told, that's not the right answer because the question is: which weapon is the best; not, how do you jerk off? The reason to consider or call it the interim is because the option never falls off the table. It's not: Daurdabla or Loughnashade (like if you pick one you miss out on the other because a completionist will have all of them). It's, how would you rate them, Daurdabla and Loughnashade in relation to all of the PREMA weapons?
How is Heishi compared to Dokuku? Now compare Heishi to Masamune, Doji, Calad, and Chango?
You're so quick to criticize my evaluation. Share yours. Rank them all in relation to one another.
Do you include Bonanza weapons?

Like sure. Yagyu Darkblade is a cute parlor trick. Fudo Masamune Yagyu Darkblade is a fun tank stance. Does it completely change Nin the same way Epeolatry helps out Run? I don't think so. I'd put Yagyu at C-tier. Maybe B-tier.

How on earth is a bard without both Gjallarhorn and Daurdabla doing enough Sortie and enough HQ Aminon kills to farm a prime horn.

Are we imagining these things in a vacuum or something.

It's like a bard that wants to be main bard to get a Marsyas without either a Gjallar or Daurdable (preferably both).

The progression is there and assumes you already have all the previously good stuff before farming all the better stuff.

Yes, you can farm them on another job. If you want to be the bard though when farming a prime, you need aeonic, relic and empy REMAs for bard. Not optional. Ideally mythic too.

Thank you Dodik for being the voice of reason in the room!