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I'll bite.

A Dead DPS is no DPS, and a hinderance to the party (because now a mage has to waste time and MP raising you, and waiting for you to unweaken).

Ambuscade armor doesn't have as much ACC stats as fully upgraded other pieces, less magic evasion, less DT. I see people in Dyna Divergence runs (I sometimes run with people who are not endgame ready) get one shotted by NIN mobs all the time, because they're decked out in combinations of +1 artifact/relic/empy, and ambuscade gear. They can't hit the mobs either, or do a lot of damage.

A lot of Flamma gear has multiple stats on it (the head has Triple attack +5%, Store TP+6), but it's got a lot less defensive stats, and accuracy than, say Boii +2/Boii +3, or Sakpata (with or without augments).

Ambuscade gear is meant for starting players to get starter gear, so they can move to get better equipment. It's not BiS for anything.

(Not talking about the ambu weapons of course, Naegling is OP, Shining One is OP, etc.)

Not everything requires you to be in Max DT with a gorillion Meva 24/7

There is no *** way in hell ambu +2 gear will ever be BiS for anything ever.

BiS is literally Best in Slot. Ambu +2 will never be that no matter the purpose.

Again, i was replying about how not all content requires you to be turtled to the max 24/7, here are snippets of the previous post:


“But but mijin in dynamis”
1-why are your ninja mobs getting mijin off? Sounds like a DPS problem if you cant drop them from 70 to 0 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2-swap on DT set on those

Maybe OP doesnt have R30 gleti and hasnt picked up a Tabard yet? Though Id be surprised on the latter.

Right on, sweet I will mess around with this later after work. Thank you and keep up the good work!

Though I agree not everything needs you to be in max DT etc., basically anything that doesn't require that is honestly too easy to even bother gearing separately for imo.
I'm probably just too lazy and inventory starved to min/max for non-odyssey/sortie content though

OK, I'll bite. Some are niche uses, but you DID say "no matter the purpose" :)

1) Hizamaru Haramaki +2. Find me an idle regen body piece for MNK NIN SAM PUP with more than Regen+12. Might be highly niche, but still BiS!

2) Inyanga Shalwar +2. Song duration +17% is BiS. And this is an EXTREMELY practical one that most people who play with a well geared BRD benefit from on the regular.

3) Inyanga Jubbah +2. FC+14% is a BiS fast cast body for... 2/3 jobs on it, I think? (BRD SMN). And WHM's BiS is FC+15% on Pinga Tunic +1 with a ~40m price tag, so Inyanga certainly not an unreasonable high end alternative for a WHM who can cap FC without that extra 1%.

4) Meghanada Visor +2. Kinda niche, but Dead Aim +12% = 12% ranged critical hit damage. BiS for at least some crit focused setups, such as a RNG Armageddon crit damage build (at least with Double Shot down).

5) Meghanada Jambeaux +2. Snapshot+10 is tied for BiS, IIRC (agumented Taeon and Adhemar+1 can also get +10).

6) Jhakri Robe +2. Refresh+4 is tied with BLM RDM BLU SCH GEO Empy+3 for BiS Refresh body for these jobs. I'll give you that I'd call Empy+3 "BiS" considering the better defensive stats, and people might idle in something with less Refresh but better defensive stats (e.g., I often idle in Shamash Robe). But at the very least this is still a very viable piece for idle refresh for five jobs.

7) Ayanmo Manopolas +2: Enspell damage+17, for your Crocea Mors RDM action.

8) Ayanmo Cosciales +2: FC+6% legs is still BiS for BLU, unless a Dark Matter augment on Herculean Trousers can beat that. EDIT: I forgot Enif Cosciales are 8% (and can now be purchased from the Curio Moogle since old Limbus went away)

I'm not even touching Flamma, but there are arguments for +2 head/feet as situational BiS for DRG and DRK TP gear.

Yeah, for snapshot and stuff you can find some niche pieces. These are not TP/WS pieces.

You're right though, not BiS for standard TP/WS not no matter the purpose.

And if you really use ambu gear for idle.. jail.

Idle implies no danger. If weapons undrawn hiza/jahkri body is very safe.

Different set for idle in danger, like geo (idle with pet) and whm (isn't on jhakri or hiza, so)

Okay, so you've never been hit by any aoe while idle without weapons drawn.

Guys, come on. Be serious.

I'll be serious. I use Hizamaru Sune-Ate +2 in my idle Gokotai set, which translates to Regain (free TP) while standing around (For Ongo KI1) away from the boss. I use Hizamaru body +2 in my Idle regen set for MNK SAM NIN, especially during travelling events like Sortie or Segs where you gain health back (Regen, the stuff WHM/SCH use to make their job easier over time), since there is no risk of getting hit by an aoe while idle. It also counters Poison/Taint if your build is high enough, so no need to bother with meds (saves gil). (I think my DRG Kraken Club build also uses Sulevia's Mask +2 for the STP.) The moment a monster is nearby and I am at risk of taking damage, I can press one button out of that set into something I can afford to take hits in.

The piece of gear isn't irrelevant because it's ambu and non defensive; it's niche or used for some adhoc situation. There's dozens of ways to use non-defensive ambu gear safely, just build around it or use it when appropriate. No need for a blanket rule.

Wow, come back from work and see the dumpster fire! what a joke!

Best in Slot is defined by the purpose of the set.
best tp building set
best hybrid tp/defensive set
best nuking set
whatever the purpose of the set is... that parameter defines Best in slot.

Is is best option for Sortie basement bosses? probably not, but its so easy to cap dt on bst... maybe.

the parameter is tp building, for bst. Tali'ah Manteel +2 has the best available stats for that purpose.

this is a thread for a gearset comparison tool, which is a fantastic idea. However, Ambuscade gear should definitely be in the library.

I would want the entire equipment db in here.

Its not about taking damage at all. its not about survivability. none of that is in the parameters for the set.




oh no Dodik! what is the BiS fastcast body for whm?

Oh no what is the BiS tp building head piece for war, drg, pld, drk?

Guess what? its AMBUSCADE GEAR. Need I go on? there is more.

Alright, take a chill pill. I made a what I thought was a clearly exaggerated statement to make a point and here we go with the "ackshually".

You use ambu +2 gear for TP and/or WS, you deserve what you get.

Better?

yeah, mildly better :D

but you still trying too hard to save face, imo.

I've said stupid stuff in these forums before. and I admit when I realize I said something dumb.

Its not an "ackshually" at all. its the context of my post, followed by your meaningless mockery, that you can't back up. There was no point to it.

I think I've been pretty clear. and I am chill. I think this is pretty fun.

Body is a point behind Tali'ah for bst tp set, but malignance head, hands, and legs are BiS and those have wonderful dt, meva, and eva stats on them. Feet are pretty good too. I have a good balance of offense and defense. I'm not dyin'.

I mean I'm not the one that said Tali'ah manteel +2 is BiS for TP...

There's no defending that, no matter how hard you try.

And no, no ambu +2 gear is fit for purpose for standard TP or WS sets in this year of Altana, 2025. "That's like, your opinion, man."



Yeah, maybe. I'll stand by it all the same.

I've agreed w/ you in other posts and really appreciated your input... but this comment is just so stupid its discouraging in my faith in humanity.

Where is the substance of your argument?

You haven't made any substantive argument at all. just trying to assert your position as if Errorgance makes you right.

I've already clearly defended my position twice. you just ignore it and pretend you have a leg stand on. Well Wiley Coyote, you gonna glimpse down eventually and go splat.

12 > 11 > 10 is not an opinion. its a fact

Sigh. I really didn't want to get into the whole argument again, I think it's been discussed before many times.


Taking the two pieces of gear in question we have:

Tali'ah manteel +2: Def 129, hp+70, str+28, dex+45, vit+37, acc+46, meva+64, att+0, mdef+5, TA+6

Gleti's Cuirass R20: Def 184, hp+91, str+39, dex+34, vit+39, acc+45, meva+102, Att+60, mdef+15, DA+7, pdl+9, regain+3, crit+8, pdt-9

Prince coat instead of Gleti's: Def -55, hp-21, str-11, dex+11, vit-2, acc+1, meva-38, att-60, mdef-10, ta+6, da-7, pdl-9, regain-3, crit-8, pdl-9, pdt+9

You gain ta+6, acc+1 (+6 including dex) at the cost of Def -55, hp-21, str-11, dex-11, vit-2, meva-38, att-60, mdef-10, da-7, pdl-9, regain-3, crit-8, pdl-9, pdt+9

I only have one word for such a swap. Make that two words.



I think that's clear.

How are the crit rate, pdl, att and str stats relevant to bst? Bst can use Farsha, that's how.

I'm all for using ambu gear when it makes sense to do so, but out of the 50~odd pieces of +2 armor and ten rings, most of it will likely be relegated to niche status eventually. That said, I can see the value of including it in the sim if only to demonstrate when you shouldn't use it.

I'm not sure that 1TA = 2 STP is entirely accurate. It might be fine for ballpark comparisons, but I would not use ballpark math to declare a piece BiS.

It's HQ Pinga. +1% FC over Inyanga, is also BiS FC for SCH, and even has a place on BLU for White Wind fast recast/max HP shenanigans.
Inyanga is not bad, nobody is looking down on WHM who use it - but it is not, in fact, BiS.

What if you're using Aymur BST, and just seeking the minimum time to 3000tp so you can fire off a Primal Rend and get Mythic AM3 up (and then switch to Malignance for TP)? Tali'ah +2 is a perfectly reasonable call as the "BiS" choice for your purpose, as long as you aren't in a situation where you're expecting to eat dangerous AoEs (or direct attacks).

I don't usually do this on BST, but that's more due to my own laziness (and preference for storing the thing on the Porter Moogle for inventory+1). I just keep my default Malignance Tabard on for TP, still very good for TP gain even if not BiS, it's safe, and it's less hassle for me to just have one standard TP set (I'm a less automated player: I don't have GS automatically swapping into an AM3-up TP set, I do it manually).

I did use Tali'ah+2 body in TP builder set for my Kenkonken PUP though, before Mpaca came around and replaced it as BiS TP gain gear for AM3-down. BST didn't get a better option for pure TP gain from Ody or beyond though, like PUP did.

Yeah, it's sort of try-hard ultra-optimization that isn't truly necessary. Gleti or Malignance are fine. But if we're here saying:

Well... you're the one who said it ;)

I get that you're also having a little fun with this and exaggerating a bit, I'm just having my fun being pedantic in response.


Tons of situations where there's no danger whatsoever. What if your party wipes somewhere and you're a mage trying to recover MP? Wouldn't you rather idle in a piece with maximum refresh, even if it has crap defensive stats? I would. I also run around Sortie with Sneak/Invis and bolter's roll wearing less than optimal defensive pieces that give me regen/refresh/regain, because unless I do something drastically wrong I am not taking any hits at all.

Also, you can't take ONE unexpected hit while idle? If you manage to aggro a mob or something, you can always swap to a more defensive set once you realize what's happening.


And to show I'm an equal opportunity pedantic little sh*t...

AKSHUALLY, it's Pinga Tunic +1, as I mentioned above XD (but Inyanga is still better for BRD SMN, and only 1% less FC for WHM)


Same, to be clear. And really enjoying Dodik's lively posts.

I'm just messing around here. But I do like weird little quirky BiS pieces for specific niches, and Ambuscade does indeed have several of those and this is their time to get some spotlight!

Inyanga set is kind of an abberation to the rest of Ambu+2 sets. It has exceptionally high Magic Evasion and Magic Defense Bonus. So much that it's not a defensive liability at all. So at the very least on that front, the argument that the piece is too squishy to use doesn't apply.


When does it make sense to wear Ambu (any other) gear [option]? The problem with sims are that they ignore any element of what is hitting you, and spits out the "best" combination of gear to deal the most damage while mitigating whatever value of damage you input. It's not a true representation of "BIS" for a generic TP set, just that when combined with other gear would output "more" dps than another option. The Sim is leaving out the fact that you're probably taking "more" damage or getting enfeebled "more", so the term "BIS" is completely subjective.

I think you guys are all speaking past each other and speaking from two different perspectives, where you should just meet in the middle and talk on the same topic.

Inyanga for mages is very squishy for physical damage though yes, high in meva. A whm in a mostly inyanga set will get one shot a lot in Sheol C, for one example.

I mean yeah one perspective is "gimme all the dps you can find assume I have mythic AM3 on and don't care what happens to my corpse" the other is "there's at least two options that you are ignoring by focusing on a big TA+6 while completely ignoring the other 15 applicable stats that are far superior".

Not sure there is a middle point. Which is kinda my argument. Saying "it varies, maybe you don't care about dmg or enfeebles" is how people get killed.

So yes, take a hard line. Don't budge. Don't be that guy wearing Ambu +2 body for TP. Throw that ***away.

The purpose of a comparison tool should not be to ONLY show the #1 BIS option, or to shame players for "you shouldn't be using this".

Most players don't have every possible option, so let them compare stuff. Err on the side of including the reasonably likely options people might use, and Ambuscade gear is absolutely designed as part of the gear progression for level 99 players in 2025. I understand not including non-ilevel gear or super obscure stuff, but Ambu is a perfectly reasonable inclusion. If nothing else, helps people see where to go from there as they continue to work on incremental improvements to their sets.

People on this forum also seem to constantly forget that not everyone who enjoys playing FFXI is ever even going to the highest level content, much less build sets of every slot with BiS gear. There are casual players whose usual idea of FFXI content is something like farming Omen cards, Normal difficulty Ambuscade vol.1 (or maybe vol.2!), some Limbus grinding, whatever. That's a totally valid way to enjoy the game too.

A casual player can clear V0 Odyssey and be much better off in a Odyssey R0 set. Probably that needs ambu +2 to clear, idk. It most probably needs a group to clear T3 for someone completely new so what they're wearing doesn't matter.

"One shot a lot"? More of an issue of the person building the set if that's the case, unless you mean multiple mobs wailing on you. I doubt a melee hit or two in Inyanga +2 will one shot a whm. You can throw on a Malignance Pole, -PDT Ambu cape, a couple of -DT rings and still rock the full set if you wanted to without issue (I have done this lazily healing like CoD or 130 Limbus a while back). It just happens to be that even Empyrean +2/3 is better anyways, so you normally wouldn't use Inyanga. But I do have an idle set that uses Inyanga +2 for some Refresh ticks, and I don't feel particularly squishy in the set since I compensate for the PDT elsewhere.

As someone who has MM45, top end gear, completely solo, even at V0, the T3s are still quite challenging as a solo, and I have died a few times soloing them. I doubt many "casual players" can kill most or all of the T3s for a set of armor; it's not a simple dps kill.

Now I do agree the Odyssey sets are way better than anything else, and they should grab those sets and make them their priority vs previous sets.

You realize you're talking about freaking precast gear here, right? You shouldn't be sitting in a fast cast body long enough to be eating a bunch of physical damage as a WHM doing a segment run, unless you're using the WHM to pull whole packs and supertank them or something. Blame yourself or God the party if your WHM is eating physical damage in a segment run, not the Inyanga body.

Are you gonna say you'd prefer BRDs to just sing shorter songs every time to avoid OH NO, AMBUSCADE GEAR I MIGHT TAKE A PHYSICAL HIT due to using their BiS song duration legs? Because that would be pretty foolish! And guess what, I have indeed been hit with physical damage before when singing BRD songs. I still want my longer songs, thanks. And they're AMBUSCADE GEAR. Whoops, I forgot to throw it in the trash because I'm too good for Ambu gear.

I, for one, enjoy tanking Halos on WHM.

The conversation was "Inyanga is high in meva and has refresh" so no, it wasn't a conversation about precast.

The rest of your shouty argument I didn't read. What's wrong? Are you that guy wearing ambu +2 for TP?

One day I will be! Still +1 for now, need to do more Ambu. Gonna punch some mobs on my MNK while getting that sweet, sweet Regen+12.

In all seriousness though, there are a handful of reasonable TP use cases for some Ambu stuff.

Flamma+2 feet are still the generally recommended DRG TP feet in most situations, with DA+6 STP+6 and good acc (no Sakpata for DRG, no great JSE TP feet, Gleti feet kinda mediocre for TP generation purposes). Also often suggested on DRK if you're comfortable sacrificing some defensive stats for better TP generation, the usual glass cannon arguments apply.

Ayanmo body is probably second BiS for BRD TP, behind only Ashera Harness (which isn't exactly something I think is fair to expect everyone to have), and not an unreasonable choice for a non-Ahsera RUN. Ayanmo head is still reasonable for BRD TP too, prob not replaced by anything but Bunzi R20+.

Tali'ah body for BST has been discussed, and isn't a crazy choice for maximum TP generation (even for a BST who has access to everything).

Kinda surprised they havent popped up a +3 or reforged ambu set to keep them relevant as starer gear, but i guess theres not enough ody/sortie level content yet.