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[ZenithXI] A Level 75 Progression Server
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2025-07-07 12:43:36
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You should focus on deleting your illegal server. The right side of history is foreign to those who think they're a game developer when they are actually stealing.

Us, We, creating,designing changes,work(LMAO)

pathetic existence bro, should be embarrassed
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By Shiva.Thorny 2025-07-07 12:53:21
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LanceXI said: »
Besides myself, the team currently includes a few contributors. One focuses on music and another is experienced in textures. Sargonnas serves as our system architect, while Omni is acting as our producer. Mowford has been managing our Git and providing experienced insight. Additionally, we have three developers with varying skill levels and availability. Two more are currently in the application process and some others didn't turn out to be the right fit. We also have one GM on board, with another planning to join later and both bring a lot of experience.
Thank you for your disclosure.

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We don't log or track hours and the team began coming together in February. A lot of work has gone into sorting through details, making design changes and trying to be proactive as we build out.

Xaver has also been invaluable as a liaison to LSB and provides guidance. Working with him has led to contributions like the recent NPC price corrections. Overefined is on our team and has been making contributions directly, but more will trickle in over time from other members.
I know this will be perceived as negative, but by your description you've been forming a team since February. In that time, the only specific contribution you can mention is an hour worth of checking NPC prices that wasn't even authored by your own developer? 'Design changes and trying to be proactive' is the type of platitude I'd expect out of a politician.

Overrefined has a flurry of minor fixes during a 2 week period from mid-April to early May, and nothing since. His prior contributions predate your server. I am not a potential player and not likely to be a substantial contributor. However, you've made this thread here to make your pitch. Can you provide a reason people should expect progress out of your server with this track record?
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By Asura.Failaras 2025-07-07 13:10:04
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ibkee said: »
Classic WoW keeps getting thrown out as a reason why this would work, but it's just not the same. WoW is actually on WoW 4 now, it's just never been referred to as such, but Azeroth is vastly different than it was a few years ago and even more so than pre-Cataclysm. There's a wealth of old content, quests, zones and more that are simply no longer accessible - never mind the changes to the fundamental mechanics of the game, the graphics and widescale retcons to the plot.

Meanwhile, the content being discussed here is available in FFXI retail right now. There are a number of Linkshells limit to 75 and run "era" content, if you want to be pedantic you can walk everywhere, avoid using warps and pretend sneak/invisible doesn't exist and BOOM you've got ZenithXI only it's not run in some random dude's mother's basement.

The content is available in current FFXI but no where near in the same form. Anyone saying just use the old gear and keep at 75 has never actually tried doing that, the damage formulas are completely different, the job abilities are different, so many things have changed. Go watch videos of those 75 capped linkshells, they run up with no buffs and smack Kirin for 20% of its HP with one Savage Blade. It's as pointless as fighting those mobs as a 119 character.

It is the same as WoW, the content still exists but it's been extremely changed. If I wanted to go do MOP content I could go do MOP content, but I'd be 1 shotting everything with my power creep from 5 expansions past it.
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2025-07-07 13:16:19
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Sure buddy - not because we understand the math better and have min/max'ed - You need that dated code to feel.... lmao
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By Shiva.Thorny 2025-07-07 13:18:48
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Asura.Failaras said: »
The content is available in current FFXI but no where near in the same form.

Absolutely true. You can't do 75 content synced on retail; the core changes to the game are too substantial.

Unfortunately, you can't recreate the 75 experience on private servers either. The content was only 'hard' in the old days because 80% of players were wearing complete garbage gear, buff selection was rarely optimal, and tanks still relied on provoke. Jobs were chosen based on what seemed cool, not what was good for endgame.

Private server experience is like your 4th playthrough of a console final fantasy. You know exactly what to do to win, and so do most other people. You can't recreate the challenge, it's just self-aggrandizement for beating trivial content.

That's before you get into the level of inaccuracy in the server software and presence of out-of-era content. Sure, some people still farmed sky in late ToAU, but it's not the original sky. When it was new and challenging content, you weren't leveling to 75 on colibri in level sync parties while wearing your swift belt.
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By Asura.Failaras 2025-07-07 13:19:15
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Understanding math better has nothing to do with Savage Blade being 4/10.25/13.75 FTP instead of 1/1.75/3.50.
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By Asura.Failaras 2025-07-07 13:22:37
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Shiva.Thorny said: »
Asura.Failaras said: »
The content is available in current FFXI but no where near in the same form.

Absolutely true. You can't do 75 content synced on retail; the core changes to the game are too substantial.

Unfortunately, you can't recreate the 75 experience on private servers either. The content was only 'hard' in the old days because 80% of players were wearing complete garbage gear, buff selection was rarely optimal, and tanks still relied on provoke. Jobs were chosen based on what seemed cool, not what was good for endgame.

Private server experience is like your 4th playthrough of a console final fantasy. You know exactly what to do to win, and so do most other people. You can't recreate the challenge, it's just self-aggrandizement for beating trivial content.

That's before you get into the level of inaccuracy in the server software and presence of out-of-era content. Sure, some people still farmed sky in late ToAU, but it's not the original sky. When it was new and challenging content, you weren't leveling to 75 on colibri in level sync parties while wearing your swift belt.

I think of it more like you're playing the version of FFXI you were playing before abyssea launched. The knowledge is relatively there, people know what jobs are good, what setups to use, that haste is a good stat. It isn't and never will be a recreation of like 2003 12 year old getting lost in the dunes.
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By Nariont 2025-07-07 13:43:44
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There's also just all the QoL/mechanical changes ontop of that. A lot of mechanics/jobs changed a lot even within the 75 era, and even moreso with 99/ilvl that i think some PS try to bring into 75 era which just throws balance all over the place(not that balance has ever been something this game has)
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By Bosworth 2025-07-07 13:51:22
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Anyone who claims playing on a 75-era server isn't a completely different experience then retail FFXI probably shouldn't be taken seriously. One is about the journey, one is about the destination.

That being said, I don't think a 75-era server has been done well at this point. They're all buggy, or a bunch of custom ***that doesn't belong and makes it feel "cheap".

I think the private server scene would benefit from only have a couple servers with the already small player base not so fragmented.
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By Asura.Sensarity 2025-07-07 14:01:04
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LanceXI said: »
One focuses on music
Oh no it's gonna be the dogshit Horizon music all over again
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By LanceXI 2025-07-07 14:42:06
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Shiva.Thorny said: »
Thank you for your disclosure.

You're welcome. Thank you for your interest in the server.

Shiva.Thorny said: »
I know this will be perceived as negative, but by your description you've been forming a team since February. In that time, the only specific contribution you can mention is an hour worth of checking NPC prices that wasn't even authored by your own developer? 'Design changes and trying to be proactive' is the type of platitude I'd expect out of a politician.

Overrefined has a flurry of minor fixes during a 2 week period from mid-April to early May, and nothing since. His prior contributions predate your server. I am not a potential player and not likely to be a substantial contributor. However, you've made this thread here to make your pitch. Can you provide a reason people should expect progress out of your server with this track record?

I'm not looking to inflate the image of the server. Those were just a few examples and I'm proud that we've contributed. In the end, the quality of the server and its community should one day speak for itself.

A big part of this project's goal is to help improve the wider community as well. Of course, it would be nice if more work were already complete. This thread was created to help get the word out about Zenith and invite more people to be part of it.
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By Avaera 2025-07-07 15:06:57
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Think you'll get more traction in PS community spaces than here.
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2025-07-07 15:11:29
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LanceXI said: »
Those were just a few examples and I'm proud that we've contributed.

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By Tarage 2025-07-07 17:15:20
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Again, please treat each other with decency and avoid hostility in this thread.

No. *** off.
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By Bahamut.Negan 2025-07-07 18:25:59
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Bismarck.Nickeny said: »
LanceXI said: »
Those were just a few examples and I'm proud that we've contributed.

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By Asura.Sylveni 2025-07-07 18:49:11
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Eh, to each their own. If someone wants to run or play on a private server, they understand the risks. But let's be honest—SE clearly knows these servers exist, and if they truly wanted to shut them all down, they could.

They tend to only step in when:
A) the server is monetizing or profiting off SE’s content
B) it’s being advertised in official channels or in-game
C) it positions itself as a superior replacement to retail
D) people publicly stream or promote it using copyrighted assets

Outside of those lines, SE seems to tolerate them as long as they’re quiet, non-commercial, and not undermining the official game. It’s not approval, but again... if they wanted to do something today, they could. It's clear in the TOS.

Anyways... A lot of players who try private servers eventually bleed back into retail—and SE probably sees that as a net positive to their existence. Whether it's nostalgia or just remembering what made XI special, it often leads people to resub and support the official game again. SE likely sees that as a win.
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By Avaera 2025-07-07 23:34:02
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Asura.Sylveni said: »
They tend to only step in when:
A) the server is monetizing or profiting off SE’s content
B) it’s being advertised in official channels or in-game
C) it positions itself as a superior replacement to retail
D) people publicly stream or promote it using copyrighted assets

Clearly not when Twitch is full of Horizon streams for the game.
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By Seun 2025-07-08 01:11:37
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Avaera said: »
Asura.Sylveni said: »
They tend to only step in when:
A) the server is monetizing or profiting off SE’s content
B) it’s being advertised in official channels or in-game
C) it positions itself as a superior replacement to retail
D) people publicly stream or promote it using copyrighted assets

Clearly not when Twitch is full of Horizon streams for the game.

The caveat here (and I'm not sure if it says more about horizonXI or it's streamers), is that they would have to generate enough money to make it worth a team of lawyers time in a courtroom arguing that it's 'damaging'. Not that I condone it, just that it's more of a joke than it is a threat.

Even when PS had one of the most popular streamers, it still wasn't drawing enough attention to make a mark.