June 2025 Version Update

If I had more tact I would have worded this in a less confrontational manner but it is what it is. What I'm saying does have merit though, and at least waiting a day would be beneficial to the community and forum of people who like these threads to be alive with the fun of figuring stuff out in a natural manner.

Yeah guys, they are going to do the exact same thing here as they did with Empyrian, Omen and pretty much every other system. This is the opening salvo, the Empy +2 so to speak. The limits are there to prevent some people, you know who you are, from parking bots and monopolizing zones. I laughed at the five chest and 50K currency limit, but I understand it's so that everyone can participate in a shared zone instead of a dozen multi-boxers hording everything.

As for the stats, I'll wait and see until whatever augment / RP system or whatever comes next happens. This seems more like putting some parts of AF/ Relic in line with Gaol / Empy gear. Kinda sad they didn't bump up the base states by at least 2 points but whatever.

Given how many masochists there are in this game...

But the situation is different here.
Currency is not used for weapons, the upgrades are also more modest (and I'm pretty confident +5 will be the same), also the price is not the same for every piece.

All of this makes me believe (hope?) that the +4>+5 cost increase won't be like the 10k>70k we saw in Sortie.


That's even supposing a +5 will ever come out. As I've said multiple times I don't consider it unlikely, but I wouldn't take it for granted either, eh
If their plan was to bring AF/Empy "in line" to Empy+3, we're already there, sort of.
A +5 would make sense only if they envision, in the far future, an Empy upgrade.
And that ***surely is so far away in time I doubt they're planning stuff so much far ahead.


Atm I'm more in line with what Thorny said, that the future Limbus/Temenos updates will be for the Ultima/Omega gear, and for more unique and new stuff, not for +5 gear.

Will have to agree with Sechs here.

I happen to think some add ons should not exist and the person making them should not be doing anything UI related cause they're terrible at it.

But other people use it and seem to like it. Should I go in the person's threads announcing it and start criticising his UI style? All that does is make me look like an ***, rightfully so, even if the critique is valid.

Same way with watching any TV show after release. Don't google it, don't go on forums or reddit or anything about that show before you watch it because you will 100% get spoiled.

Same way here. You cannot complain about spoilers when you're literally in the spoilers thread posting about it. Just don't open the spoilers thread.

we're still figuring out neo limbus in a natural manner like why the heck we can't open chests despite having all temp items...

People reported you need ALL KIs from ALL wings of Apollyon (or Temenos) to be able to open the final chest.

So if you're doing Apollyon SE, to give an example, just having all the KIs from Apollyon SE isn't enough, you need KIs from the other Apollyon wings as well.

I wish I was surprised that a thread about one thing here wasn't free from an attempted derailing by literally the dumbest possible thing in the world.

Go back to crying in other threads about how gaming is woke now Radial. JFC

On topic: Does anyone want to talk about how debuffing doesn't seem to do much and mobs will just continue to cast spells while silenced, etc? That seems to be working as intended, I suppose

It's not the same thing though is it.

Once the information is released, the value of the information is in effect destroyed for everyone. You can't post a picture of something you found cause it's already known to everyone, so there is no value in finding it or sharing it. It not being known to the community is why it has value.

Me making mods you think are ***is irrelevant, cause they are opt in and have no negative impact on anyone else.

Not to derail further but I both use and *love* all your mods Radial.

The point is people will always, always always spoil things on the Internet. There's no avoiding this.

Tv shows, games, anime, movies, books, everything gets spoiled. If this thread wasn't made - thank you Funk - someone else would make it.

I'm glad to see ffxi isn't dead game just yet - I was worried about it a couple of hours ago the way we moaned about the actual negative upgrades of the +4...

This would be happenning on the new limbus thread ;3

So on the brightside. Gears not good enough and ML isn't good enough to congest and/or bot 24/7

On the not so brightside this is your next 2 years. That's not hyper appealing.

It'll be interesting a month from now who's still tryharding for +5 dex

What is a wiki, other than a comprehensive collection of people figuring ***out organically and then sharing it?

And the major complaint is nothing to do with the content itself, but only the stats on the +4?

I'm really trying to understand why this is controversial, but am not getting anywhere.

7 pages overnight on a monday night lol.

I know its 8 now, but teams was blowing up and I had to prioritize work

Remember the days of people spending millions and millions of gil for +1 STR?

Now people are mad SE had the audacity to give us only 5 STR.

I think the best changes going to reforged +4 from +3 are the +40 to evasion and +25 to the magic evasion, as well as a huge boost in accuracy in pieces that had no accuracy in their +3 versions. This also includes huge boosts in pet stats such as magic accuracy in the +4 reforged piece when it had none in the +3.

Otherwise is seems accuracy is +5, and attack (only if present on the +3 version) is +10. Stats are +5 but not across the board - some stats have no increase whereas others that do increase always increase by +5. Pet accuracy, attack, and MAB seem to show a similar marginal increase. I did notice the BLM AF armor received a 25% MAB upgrade from having none in the +3 which is kinda cool for blm.

What's kind of poopie is that Artifact Armor Magic and Melee skills show increments of +2 from reforged, to reforged +1 (or starting at reforged +1), then reforged +2, then reforged +3, but an increment of only +1 going to reforged +4.

An artifact armor example:
WHM AF feet Enhancing Magic Skill: Reforged = 15; reforged +1 = 17; reforged +2 = 19; reforged +3 = 21. So +2 increments. This only increases by +1 to reforge it to its +4 reforged.

MNK AF legs Guarding Skill: Reforged = +20; reforged +1 = 22; reforged +2 = 24; reforged +3 = 26. Again, +2 increments. Guard skill increases by only +1 in the +4 reforged.

A relic armor example:
WAR Relic Head Parrying Skill: Reforged = 15; reforged +1 = 17; reforged +2 = 19; reforged +3 = 21. So the same trend as artifact armor melee skills. Again, only an increase of +1 to parrying skill going to the reforged +4 head piece.

SMN Relic Hands Summoning Magic Skill: Reforged = 17; reforged +1 = 19; reforged +2 = 21; reforged +3 = 23. Going to reforged +4 is only an extra 1 skill.

What's REALLY poopie is that there seems to be no changes to other augments on pieces, some of which are job-specific, such as gear haste %, Magic Burst Damage bonus, Critical hit rate, enhancing magic duration %; cursna effects; Blood Pact Damage %, fast cast %, etc.

I think people are most disappointed with having the minimal increases to skill and most of all, none of the other augments increase at all (that aren't stats or acc/att macc/matt.

Lol ninja head got acc when it did not have it before?

DEF:127 HP+74 STR+33 DEX+38 VIT+32 AGI+37 INT+31 MND+34 CHR+31 Accuracy+64 Magic Accuracy+64 Evasion+108 Magic Evasion+88 "Magic Def. Bonus"+6 Ninjutsu skill +18 Haste+8% "Subtle Blow"+9 Weapon skill damage +12% Set: Accuracy+ Ranged Accuracy+ Magic Accuracy+

Thanks I guess?

+5 gets the skill +2 and increases to other stats

Funk, I'm gonna need you to go ahead and post the stats from the pending Empy +4, from Neo Sortie.

Spoiler Alert:

Technically there is some link between AF and Limbus from the AF+1 gear back at 75. None for relic though.

+4 would have to be something adoulin related. Bring on neo-Skirmish brainlessly farming mobs for points like new Limbus.

Oh ok, the green on bg is the right color green. That's the same color it used to be.

that screenshot from a couple pages back was too mint colored.

I mean, honestly. If doing AF & Relic at the same was too much work for them to give any piece/set the individual attention it needed, they should have staggered their releases. Whether that meant staggering Temenos & Apollyon, or putting Relic in different content.

Doing it this way was just a waste.

Would it really have been that much work?

Horos Tights +3 --> Jig Duration +50%
Horos Tights +4 --> Jig Duration +50%

It would have been too much effort to make it +55%? I am just giving one random example.

"Too much work" seems like a poor excuse, if that was the reason.

They made +4 bad, so you will appreciate the +5 all the more

Please look forward to it

Did crude arrows have boxes before or is it something else I can't think of?

Clearly a rushed update in an attempt to cater to the returnees and inflated player base.

Might have been better to let it cook a little more.

Maybe it's copium but this can't be all there is, +5 is not confirmed but the zone is not even complete.

There has to be more rewards coming.

While I am disappointed in the +4 I will reserve my full disappointment for the next limbus update.

Honestly...

but as if SE has ever exhibited common sense or rationality when given the opportunity?

The dogbolts and crude arrows both had the borders, some medicines might have, but I don't recall those.