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June 2025 Version Update
By K123 2025-07-04 13:24:00
To address the "not everyone" comment, yeah there are a few that don't but they're also serious no lifers with 60000+ hours playtime.
Is 12-15 hours a week 'no life'? I made a billion gil in a year doing ~3 hours of gain exp every week. It's not the most exciting content in the game, but it's mindless and I mastered several jobs in the process. I don't think you have to no life, I think you just need to commit and stay consistent. A little patience helps too. No, and nor is 1b anything like what I'm talking about here. You could make >1b a month with just 3 chars doing salvage over and over.
The point was that a normal player who commits a reasonable amount of time to earning gil could do that. You don't need 3 characters and tools to farm salvage for you all day. I mean, rationalize how you spend your money how you want to, but it's not necessary. You did it because you wanted to 'keep up'. I did it because I took the red pill and saw what everyone was doing.
By K123 2025-07-04 13:25:04
This is for clearing the four basements of mobs.
full clear of all 4 basements with 2 respawns each is 60k just doing the math from #/spawns and galli/spawn (+ some from nms and naaks if they interfere)
whether you can actually clear that much legit, i'm not sure Probably, but would it be less painful than 8 boss runs? Probably not. They should increase galli per mob and add drops to bosses like they said they would.
By Felgarr 2025-07-04 13:31:03
That being said there's a lot of hateful people on this forum, I wouldn't be surprised if in the next month or so we have a ban wave come through removing this type of player.
I've updated my FFXI withdrawal diagram for 2025, to now include posting *** on FFXIAH, either to decieve people or because they simply can't look themselves in the mirror.
By Tarage 2025-07-04 13:35:12
You are like me, they will not believe you because they call you a liar and because they do not know, and if you tell them that it is a secret, they will never believe you unless you explain it to them and they see with their own eyes, and I have deleted my private topics and I will never say anything again. I am very sorry for what happened to you. I hope to see you soon.
Somehow you showing up to *** suck a guy clearly cheating as if he is a martyr to the cause AND using the opportunity to try to earn yourself some pity points is so incredibly on brand that I'm shocked I hadn't expected it in the first place. You really are trash.
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By K123 2025-07-04 13:39:23
You are like me, they will not believe you because they call you a liar and because they do not know, and if you tell them that it is a secret, they will never believe you unless you explain it to them and they see with their own eyes, and I have deleted my private topics and I will never say anything again. I am very sorry for what happened to you. I hope to see you soon.
Somehow you showing up to *** suck a guy clearly cheating as if he is a martyr to the cause AND using the opportunity to try to earn yourself some pity points is so incredibly on brand that I'm shocked I hadn't expected it in the first place. You really are trash. Let them be secret bros together.
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By Kaffy 2025-07-04 14:05:03
That being said there's a lot of hateful people on this forum, I wouldn't be surprised if in the next month or so we have a ban wave come through removing this type of player.
I've updated my FFXI withdrawal diagram for 2025, to now include posting *** on FFXIAH, either to decieve people or because they simply can't look themselves in the mirror.

I love this and have to ask myself how many of these I do/did for a game other than FFXI
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By Phoenix.Gavroches 2025-07-04 15:57:10
The interesting part isn’t that he was cheating, as that didn’t hurt anyone here, or prevented you from succeeding or failing, it’s that for all the tools he used, he only score 130k. Any well organized group does 80-85K 9/9, so the difference isn’t that impressively big.
The other interesting part is SE doesn’t even check basic stats on runs, like north of 90 should be 100% investigated… if they were serious about cheaters. SE should also make a big banner in Adoulin, hold their accounts for 30 days in a cage up high for all to see and then have other file bail to take them out, as the first warning, that would be fun. lmao…
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-07-04 15:59:43
I don't know how yall can cope so *** hard and even think ***like this.
You really think they investigate a single damn thing, I wish I was that level of naive.
It's pretty obvious you can't get that many.. the *** are you thinking, they look at it and score it. Uh he's getting 91k but the maximum we measured is 90k instant ban! *** outta here.
I wouldn't bother but I just keep seeing it. They would know, they would check, you can't do this, they know man they know. They. Don't. Care.
(I did not say you won't get banned six months from now)
There is a thousand people committing bannable offenses daily. FIVE of them will get banned. That's supposed to scare you into not being one of the thousand.
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By Tarage 2025-07-04 16:28:48
Phoenix.Gavroches said: »The other interesting part is SE doesn’t even check basic stats on runs, like north of 90 should be 100% investigated… if they were serious about cheaters. SE should also make a big banner in Adoulin, hold their accounts for 30 days in a cage up high for all to see and then have other file bail to take them out, as the first warning, that would be fun. lmao…
Bro they can't afford actual translators anymore. You think they have the manpower to investigate individual sortie runs? I'd rather them spend dev power on the meager updates we still miraculously get.
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By Caitsith.Sepo 2025-07-04 17:26:17
Yeah, sorry for it ended up being a wet noodle that everyone basically already knows. Again, this was probably just a result of me basically treating this game like a single-player FF game for the time I was playing. Unfortunately, up until this point I hadn't discussed what I was doing in depth with anyone really, so I never got any outside perspective of whether utilizing leashing to cleave multiple sectors simultaneously in Sortie was actually a novel idea or not. That's my mistake for assuming it was and I'll admit that.
In any case, when I spoke to Thorny a year ago, he made it pretty clear to me that there really wasn't any good reason why anyone would get into this game. In any serious capacity at least, so that's why I went in with the mentality I did. I decided just to play for what I genuinely enjoy, and not be limited by what the game thinks of me or what other players think of me.
Although it's a shame that the way I play the game doesn't comply with the rules or conventional morality, in a way I think that's what makes these types of games uniquely beautiful. There is no clearly defined goal, and so there is no clearly defined path to said goals. So in a sense, you're free to play how you want (assuming you're okay with the potential risks/consequences of your actions), so that's what I did, and I enjoyed myself in a way that I don't think I ever would have playing the game "legit".
But in any case, it's fair to assume that the reason why I posted this was that I was banned. Maybe there's some funny way I can take a silly selfie or something to pRoVe iT but I don't even think those methods are very reliable so it's w/e, you're free to believe what you want to believe.
Since I never got to experience Sheol Gaol v25s, I technically have a reason to come back, but I just don't have the motivation right now. Maybe someday I'll come back (or maybe I'll end up getting banned while unsubbed?), in any case, it was fun while it lasted. I already spent way too much of my life grappling with that psychological addiction in MMOs so it's best to keep things short and sweet and not linger too long with this stuff.
While the reception ultimately got a little heated with some people due to the twisted expectations I mistakenly set up, I appreciate hearing everyone's input/thoughts around my experience and am grateful for the discussion, so thanks for that!
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By Tarage 2025-07-04 17:39:05
You are so far up your own *** I bet you can see your molars.
It's not "rules of conventional morality" its the rules of the game as determined by Square Enix. Sod off with your "I'm ahead of the curve and your morality" ***.
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By Dodik 2025-07-04 18:01:24
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By Kaffy 2025-07-04 18:22:51
it only took 1 day to go from "130k is impossible" to "they did all that and can only get 130k?". pretty silly. in a game of marginal 1-2% performance increases a gain of 150% is pretty damn good.
By Tarage 2025-07-04 18:30:16
it only took 1 day to go from "130k is impossible" to "they did all that and can only get 130k?". pretty silly. in a game of marginal 1-2% performance increases a gain of 150% is pretty damn good.
No, it went from "130k is impossible without using an exploit?" to "you used an exploit THAT egregious and ONLY got 130k?".
By Lili 2025-07-04 18:34:07
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By Shichishito 2025-07-04 23:34:55
In any case, when I spoke to Thorny a year ago, he made it pretty clear to me that there really wasn't any good reason why anyone would get into this game. In any serious capacity at least, so that's why I went in with the mentality I did. "13$/month would be too serious. I better just invest 90$/month and make sure my investment eventually gets combusted in the process - keeping it a little more casual you know."
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By Leviathan.Andret 2025-07-04 23:54:42
Meh, it's my money. I paid SE $60 a month for a game I probably played like 4 hours a month until the crysta expired and I forgot about it until I reactivate it again.
Then guess what. I spent the next 3 days fiddling with macros and UI and whatever only to ended up trying to fight Qin but forgot how to cure myself and and blood ported back to town at 99% HP. Of course, I tried again after figuring out how to cure only to ended up blood porting again because I couldn't self skillchain on mnk, because wrong gear set or something, to do any damage.
Then I spent the next week playing a totally different game only to ended up leveling War on one of my characters. Solo. Until I realized I could simply power level myself. Then I don't even know what to do with war on a pocket whm so I went back to do Sortie and died to some normal mob after getting doomed.
It's not really about making a ton of progress in a game that already have a drinking license. It's just whatever floats your boats.
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By Asura.Melliny 2025-07-05 00:25:59
Quote: Eventually, I started experimenting, just doing insanely silly routes, going into sectors and doing objectives no one had ever talked about. I started progressing even farther-- 90k, then 95k, then 100k per run.
I don't think most people will believe me but I am now pulling between 110-120k galli per run, using a completely unorthodox strategy for the mid-run section while still doing all boss sections with the usual standard strats (Aminon dnc, kite Aita/Gartell, etc).
Translation. I teleport around the zone so I have no travel time, and when I do run it's at 800% speed. All you losers making 85K or less per run could learn a thing or two from my super secret totally never before heard of methods.
Wow, that's so cool! No really. Nobody would have ever suspected THAT was how you were pulling 130k. Oh wait.... except for literally the whole form who called you out for that exact thing three or four pages in a row while you tried to candy coat it and make it sound like you were playing vanilla or at best exploiting some benign bug. /facepalm
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By Hovann 2025-07-05 04:02:47
leak from the new update
thanks i hate it.
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By Atrox78 2025-07-05 06:14:56
Yeah, sorry for it ended up being a wet noodle that everyone basically already knows. Again, this was probably just a result of me basically treating this game like a single-player FF game for the time I was playing. Unfortunately, up until this point I hadn't discussed what I was doing in depth with anyone really, so I never got any outside perspective of whether utilizing leashing to cleave multiple sectors simultaneously in Sortie was actually a novel idea or not. That's my mistake for assuming it was and I'll admit that.
In any case, when I spoke to Thorny a year ago, he made it pretty clear to me that there really wasn't any good reason why anyone would get into this game. In any serious capacity at least, so that's why I went in with the mentality I did. I decided just to play for what I genuinely enjoy, and not be limited by what the game thinks of me or what other players think of me.
Although it's a shame that the way I play the game doesn't comply with the rules or conventional morality, in a way I think that's what makes these types of games uniquely beautiful. There is no clearly defined goal, and so there is no clearly defined path to said goals. So in a sense, you're free to play how you want (assuming you're okay with the potential risks/consequences of your actions), so that's what I did, and I enjoyed myself in a way that I don't think I ever would have playing the game "legit".
But in any case, it's fair to assume that the reason why I posted this was that I was banned. Maybe there's some funny way I can take a silly selfie or something to pRoVe iT but I don't even think those methods are very reliable so it's w/e, you're free to believe what you want to believe.
Since I never got to experience Sheol Gaol v25s, I technically have a reason to come back, but I just don't have the motivation right now. Maybe someday I'll come back (or maybe I'll end up getting banned while unsubbed?), in any case, it was fun while it lasted. I already spent way too much of my life grappling with that psychological addiction in MMOs so it's best to keep things short and sweet and not linger too long with this stuff.
While the reception ultimately got a little heated with some people due to the twisted expectations I mistakenly set up, I appreciate hearing everyone's input/thoughts around my experience and am grateful for the discussion, so thanks for that!
Are you still talking? Go away.
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By ScaevolaBahamut 2025-07-05 14:36:52
You would have been so much better off if you'd just said, "I, as an adult human being of sound mind, decided that playing this twenty-five year old video game on its own terms was beneath me"
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