Diamond Aspis Ideas

So since the Onion Sword thread seems to have run its course, let's talk about something equally stupid: Diamond Aspis skillchains on WHM.

I was trying to think about good skillchains to use the shield on, and not coming up with a lot of great ideas.

The only obvious ones I can see that might work (untested) involve the prime club, and I enjoy sleep immunity too much so I'll probably never be able to make that club. (For reference, it's Dagda alternating with either Black Halo for Compression/Transfixion, or with True Strike for Detonation/Scission. An infinite Dagda+Halo skillchain could be pretty powerful but like I said, I won't be making this club anytime soon.)

Anyone got any ideas for skillchains longer than 3 steps that don't involve the prime club?


P.S. Sadly as cool as this sounds, it probably won't be very practical because I suspect if you stop to cast even one spell you'll probably break the chain. At that point, why even be on WHM? I'm still curious what can be made to work, though.

I suspect the best practical use for the shield's skillchain effect on WHM would be to have a WHM insert a step into a long skillchain made by other people, with the WHM just being used to reset the window's duration so that the other DDs can keep it going. Like maybe you got some DDs taking turns with Aeolian Edge but after 3-4 steps they can't keep it going, so enter the WHM with a True Strike to reset the window and then you can do another 3-4 Aeolian Edges.

I think you could do:
Flash Nova -> Flash Nova = Induration -> Flash Nova = Fragmentation -> Realmrazer/Hexa Strike = Light -> Realmrazer(Aeonic Club)/Randgrith(Relic Club) = Double Light or Radiance?

One that I like to do with Maxentius is:

Black Halo > True Strike > (Detonation) > Black Halo (Gravitation) > Black Halo (Fragmentation) > Realmrazer/Hexa Strike (Light)

I mean clearly the build is Onion Sword III and Diamond aspis!

Probably sub Warrior for fencer and some sword skill and weaponskills lol

Could skillchain endlessly with Seraph Blade and red lotus blade back and forth and they both benefit from the mab on the shield!

Something stupid I have try is on THF for AoE. The magical dmg was pretty a wash with malevolence, but the combo Gandring/aspis for added sturdiness is really interesting, specially for people that might struggle. I can easily pull 6 family without PD, only issue is missing out on those 10 cures…. So I stopped because we all need more than 1000 THF cards…. Also the flee added time is nice.

Someone mentioned the SC window extension of diamond aspis doesn't work for BST pet WS. Does it work for Ranged weaponskills?

I thought they said the opposite, that pet WS wont get the extended SC window?

My understanding is the pets don't extend it but can benefit from the extended window since each time you use a ws with the shield it basically resets the SC windows back to 10 seconds and starts dropping back down from there so it still makes life a lot easier especially in underbuffed situations.

Ya if it works for ranged, ULLR PLD will have it's day! but no seriously like Ullr RDM might come in handy on a few fights where they can mostly do rdm support and then allow for much longer SCs from a safe distance.

This one looks spicy, I love it! I think you could go 1 step further with Mjolnir too, something like Halo > True > Halo > Rand > Realm > Rand. Not sure if that would actually be better, I might have to experiment with both.

Great ideas, keep 'em coming!

Maybe I misunderstood OP. Yes, the pet will get the extended SC window, similar to anyone else doing an applicable WS within the SC window, but a pet WS done by someone with aspis wont get an extended window.

It's too bad that the Sortie club is way more useful cursed, because Dagda -> Black Halo -> Dagda would be pretty cool. Could exit the chain whenever you want with distortion to gravitation for darkness or distortion to fusion to light, as well.

Your first sentence seems to contradict your second. What's the verdict on activating vs merely participating in an extended SC window?

If you used a WS with a diamond aspis, you will create a SC window which is longer (10 seconds). Anyone can take advantage of this (by having 10 seconds to get their WS off), including pets. People taking advantage of this, including pets, won't get (create a new) and extended window.

Aspis ws (10s)
Aspis ws (10s)
Non-aspis ws (9s)
Aspis ws (10s)
Non-aspis ws (9s)

And so on. This includes pets and anyone not using an aspis.

edit: fixed according to testimonials from the other thread. I don't own one

Its hard to word it in so few words, but its what Maletaru said.
Think of the SC window as a debuff on the mob.

Someone reported it was this instead:
Aspis ws (10s)
Aspis ws (10s)
Non-aspis ws (9s)
Aspis ws (10s)
Non-aspis ws (9s)

Clear answer would be nice for that, because if it resets to 10 seconds each time aspis is used in the chain you could have some pretty epic neat 2-person or weapon swap skillchains.

My mistake, I ment to say doesn't.

It's been tested and answered befor in one of the other bonanza threads. Person explained it like byrth does above, just that the WS of a pet of a diamond aspis BST doesn't get the benefit of the extended window, for the pet it counts as if a random person without shield joined the chain.

Sorry for the confusion.


The only question still open afaik is whether a ranged WS will get benefit of extended WS window or if it works like a pet WS.

*Edit* found it here, Falkriks post on first page:

Diamond Aspis on a RDM with excalibur.

Hot take: shield should have been all jobs just like onion sword III.


Can someone with a throw away account go over to the official forums and ask them what's their weird fetish with jobs like RDM?

How do you mean? It's a very flexible job allowing it to do a lot of interesting things and just generally useful for testing basic stuff as they have a good deal of it within their kit

In case it hasen't been mentioned befor but with diamond aspis and caliburnus you could do imperator -> savage blade, should create a infinite loop between scission and detonation.
In perticular interesting since it involves two of the strongest weapon skill options for sword.

Maybe something for PLD to check out but it obviously benefits RDM the most with Temper II... cause they needed that buff I guess.

I thought Imperator sucked?

It does not. Pretty comparable to Savage only reason it doesn't seem better honestly is Naeg exists. More jobs on it and the boost from the sword itself are crazy so makes the prime seem worse then it is.

Maybe he mentions the buffs he has during this demo somewhere, didn't pay attention. However a GEO and a BRD seem present so can assume fury frailty and minuets. He also mentioned the nyame on that RDM is no where near max aug, I think he said R7 or something.

Apparently does around 52k on average vs locus rabits in bibiki at 2k TP.
Would have been nice to see a savage blade for comparisson in the same situation.

*edit* NVM, he mentions savage at 2k TP doing 49k on average.

Its funny we still have this stupid numbers for Imperator on bgwiki. That JP test was terrible. They are in the sim too unfortunately.

That being said, Ahlen did Imperators with Nyame25, SV aria, Bolster Frailty on Aita and numbers were definitely lower than Savage or Black Halo. Though I guess he maybe was using wrong Gain there. Damage was kinda disappointing tbh. Slightly below 70k with 3000TP and this gear and buffs.

It would be cool if someone properly test Imperator. Ahlen test was the closest, showing ftp around 6-18, but it would be cool to know exact values.

I can do some testing with Caliburnus on RDM, if you let me know what you would like to see. I do have it at stage 5, and guessing any gear that you would like to test with as well.

Test is pretty simple but tedious.

You need to go to some low lvl area, like outside of town (bastok, sandy, windurst) and WS mobs there with Imperator at exactly 1000TP (not 1001, 1003 etc. exactly at 1000 every single time) until you get damage spread that is 5% apart, so for example 7000 Imperator damage and 7350 Imperator damage. It should be as close to 5% as possible to calculate exact fTP . You need to do it with exact same gear, ideally without any PDL or WSD, to make it easier to calculate later. When you are done, you need to do it again, but with Fotia neck or belt and get the 5% spread again. Then do the same for 3000TP . You could also do it for 2000TP to give us very detailed fTP on all main tp thresholds, but looks like Prime WSs has 2000TP thresholds exactly in the middle of 1000TP and 3000TP so it's not as important as 1000TP and 3000TP.

That test will pin point exact fTP . Then last test would be to get 5% spread again, with same gear, no fotia with 3000 or 1000TP whatever, but adding DEX (for RDM its pretty easy, just use gain-dex). This test will pin point DEX WSC and you could do it again for MND, but we can assume its the same, but you could check if same amount of MND gives similar results to DEX, just to check if its not bugged like Ruthless Stroke was with VIT being WSC instead of AGI.

Testing all that is like I said easy, but can take several hours of WSing bees, or rabbits, so I understand if you are not up for it XD

Yeah I can start working on that.