DT In Weapon Skill Set, How Much Is Enough?

DT in Weapon Skill set, How much DT/PDT/MDT is Enough? for odyssey C, Gaol Sortie Bosses.

I would hear your thoughts regarding this to help everyone build safe ws sets.

***is situational. Nyame is DT anyway and covers most WSD improved WS, and cape has 5% DT. Beyond that, whether you add in Dring or not is pretty much the only change IMO.

In Seg C shouldn't matter a huge amount before floor 4 and even then moderate total DT should be fine for most. Only real threat is EES, HF, and the S-Vest.

V25 T3 and Bumba will depend on the fight. A fight that is more magic damage you would want to also care some about MDB MEVA. A physical fight adding in some DEF is good.

If having survive-ability issues could also change up the food you use.

v20-v25 Gaol I stay close to capped -DT. A dead DD can wreck most of the fights once you get to that vengeance level.

Fetters are breath damage so focus on DT over MDT/PDT.

Thank you for your valuable inputs, I noticed most guides ws sets rangw between 25~35 DT so this optimal for C farm? and V25 go up to 40dt?

V25 T3 (Kalunga, Ngai, Xevioso, not so much Mboze) is the only place I would really want to be in 50% DT for WS tbh. Maybe floor 4 beastmen only in Sheol C (EES is scary, use Third/Eye or Super Jump appropriately..). In Sortie not for ABCD or EG, not really for H, not for F either tbh (if SAM you'll use Yaeg under 50% anyway) - but I only use ws that are in Nyame and 5% cape anyway (Fudo, Shoha, Upheaval-not every piece, Savage, BH, Judgement, Impulse Drive, etc.).

As much as you can reasonably fit in. Always been that way, its just required now. Thankfully nyame exists to make it stupidly easy to get high levels of DT for your WS sets, stupidly so really, slap in a D ring and DT/PDT on a cape and done

Not just about dt.

If you're dying and your dt isn't capped obviously need more.

Some jobs will need more def or mdb on top of capped dt for things like v25.

For segs just use 3/5 nyame, one empy +3 and mpaca or gleti or another nyame.

***like adhemar or any Escha augmented gear has no place in modern content. Not Imo, just facts.

Slightly related: This thread isn't just about DT in WS sets. People should get into the habit of putting at least 30% DT in ALL active sets where you can be hit. I knew a DRG who had Valorous DM/Ambuscade+2/Acro etc armor for his Jump sets (because they have high QA/TA/STP etc) and he got wrecked during Bumba seconds after popping Fly High. I had a similar issue when I did Xevioso V20s way back on DNC; all of my Waltzes were in max potency set with NO dt. This got me killed several times because I was trying to heal for 100+ more health instead of just taking 200 less damage. Eventually I put 50% DT and as much Waltz potency I could fit in the set and just rolled with Nyame/Malignance or whatever. My Steps set also swapped in every single high-acc piece, but greatly lowered my defense, so I had to make a change there too. Survival > deeps/numbers.

I know people think "you're only in the set for a second", but you can be caught in your set in that second and die. You don't need max STP in your jump set or some other stat in your midcast, if getting caught in it will get you killed. You can even be lazy and throw Null Mask, Defending Ring, and Adamantite Armor into your sets (4 slots max) for an easy -40%DT, still giving you plenty of room to optimize for whatever other role you are trying to fulfill.

For TP sets also, Cor and other jobs with light armor in particular need to use some Nyame on some fights, and all of Sortie IME, or they take too much dmg.

It's a lesson that shoulda been learned back when we used argosy/lustratio(and for those few who fulltimed argosy and just died to everything but muh deeps), it might be a second but if that second is when an aoe goes off that can the second that determines the rest of the encounter.

Should have moderate/capped DT in all of your sets, TP/JA/casting whatever

Buukkis advice isnt bad
But its an underlying skill issue or a sign of using a bot

A smart player knows when to use JAs/WS so they dont get *** slapped by a 3k TP move. Similarly, the bots in the wild dont know how to wait for these safe windows.

Its another reason why slapping so much DT on Nyame kinda sucks. Its a crutch for the shitty players/bots. I know people wont like reading that, but they know its true.

Since you like to be pedantic on my posts - that's 3 pieces and 30%.

Nyame is boss because it has a lot of DEF too, not just DT.

What's the best Waltz DT set? Uses Gleti offhand?

You sure about that?

Nynja you misunderstand his and others statement: In higher level new content, AoE damage (sometimes breath sometimes magical, some times physical) is directed at parties consistently. Therefore you MUST put DT as a primary stat of ALL your sets since the damage incoming IS NOT PREDICTABLE. Fetters for example will kill you by the time they are on screen w/o a good hp/dt combination in what ever gear you happen to be in, at that moment (more specifically when the server side ticks not per your client displaying anything on screen).

You're rebuke is only true for content that most consider soloable today, and or apex parties.

They are giving this advice since what was top tier gear, and usually players (usually highly skilled), not bots, were getting KO'd in content consistently.

Take Geo for example it places bubble on Bumba V20+, it could get hit with breath or magic damage in precast, FC, midcast or idle, so EVERY SET has a good chunk of DT. If you are reapplying bolster or hopefully not bog, you again get to be vulnerable in each of the previous listed sets. In casting a spell you will not be able to predict loss of hate, you must keep bubble up, and help damage the mob, there is no time for waiting. I have a GS for bumba for this, that sacrifices a *** ton of utility to max my DT, my bubble DT, and provide some ACC in EVERY set.

That is the state of the game, get used to it. Every player has to get better or they will pay a bot to carry them through content they are not ready for.

I appreciate you correcting me, but you still ended up being wrong too. Super irony here. Anyways, it's even less slots than I suggested, which is better optimization than I originally wrote. (interesting use of the word pedantic, if you are wrong and someone calls it out, thats not pedantic. I don't get offended when people correct me on things. Just happens to be you're wrong a lot?)

Remember this is about the one second swaps (JA/WS), not your TP set or long term swaps (midcast sets for casting)
Aoe damage is mostly predictable
Fetters are completely predictable

Back in the day, ninja tanks had to time their utsu:ichi casts around these safe windows and possibly need to click off their existing Ni shadow if they casted with the safety net of an existing shadow. This is a skill that has been lost by most of the playerbase.

Anyways, found the player with the skill issue

hahaha how ironic, yes it is 40% but it is 3 pieces
You called out a typo once and think you're "correcting me" or make dumb posts claiming I don't have BiS gear because I don't have Enhancing duration merits, but ok - you are so smart and I am always "wrong"

I once died to Sheol C Nidhogg doing some kind of breath on me, one shotted over my max HP on SAM. Not sure if I was 50% DT at the time but would have had a lot of DT on - it was after this I switched all capes to DT instead of PDT and started wearing Dring in TP and WS generally.

I once died to Sheol C Nidhogg doing some kind of breath on me, one shotted over my max HP on SAM. Not sure if I was 50% DT at the time but would have had a lot of DT on - it was after this I switched all capes to DT instead of PDT and started wearing Dring in TP and WS generally.

Bro what? Now you're just lying and that's not gonna fly.



You introduced the term BIS. You know that means BEST in slot, its not just a general term. If you say "im BIS" and then reveal you are not BIS, thats not a typo. That's just incorrect. And that contributes to why you wouldn't have seen the same results in haste duration. That was being helpful, not pedantic

And I didn't even mention Enhancing Duration merits in the other thread, that was such an obvious thing for a RDM to have to get max duration buffs, I didn't even think to mention it.

What are you so butthurt about? I never said I was so smart and you were always wrong, but it's a whole different thing to make statements and be so adamant about it when you're clearly wrong and several people point it out, and then get an attitude about it when people joke about it. But you're quick to throw out how BIS and ML35+ you are on a job, but then turn around and sound confused about many basic things. Like above is a classic example, you were so quick to correct me you were wrong yourself. LOL chill out man

Yeah I am bis, earring+2 is not a "bis" requirement except for morons and missing 6% showed you had no idea what you were talking about in duration calculations. Show me one time I have ever been "confused" about a "basic thing".

Writes essay >> tells people to chill out. ok dude. I wasn't correcting you because I give a ***that you were wrong, I was correcting you because I found it amusing that you always make pedantic snide posts and made a dumb error.

You don't really want me to go here.


It's funny you thought it was funny to bring this up, and made a "dumb error" in the process. That makes two of us, can laugh about it later. But you seem really butthurt about something and you can DM me if there's something you want to get off your chest. You can totally block me if you are hot and bothered, it won't make any difference to me.

You didn't have Enhancing Duration merits...the very thing that increases Haste IIs timer duration...I didn't think I needed to actually say that, because it was such a basic and obvious thing. But you didn't even know that. Dude stop. You're a high ML noob at best.

Yeah, I do. I really do because this is amusing LOL

1. I could go and use the search function, but if you have done the work already I'd happily see it. How does this show "confusion"? Is English your first language?
2. Wut. I had 2 masks before you had one, but ok? I returned to the game a few weeks after it launched too and still managed to solo more masks than you in less runs (luck was part of it sure). How does this show "confusion"? Clearly you don't understand the meaning of the word.
3. I didn't see I had a spell set despite looking over the list multiple times, how is this "confusion"? Again, you don't understand the word clearly.

Yeah I forgot I had changed them. How is this "confusion"? I had completely forgotten. It shows no lack of understanding (if you speak English, learn what confusion means please). A high ML noob with numerous chars far better than yours with 1/10th the playtime then.

I won't derail this any further. Block me if you are butthurt, or DM me and you can talk to me straight up if you have something on your chest to get off.

Nah, I think seeing you rage and misunderstand basic words is amusing. I'm so sorry you got so butthurt and emotional because I pointed out something amusic and ironic though. Please write me more essays about how you are so elite and I know nothing.

So Nynja I will address your skill rant, which is dumb (there were FAR BETTER ARGUMENTS you could have made).

Back in the day people cast utsusemi as people got hit to cast it before the next incoming hit, because back at 75 no *** ninja anywhere had good fast cast gear neither did many jobs subbing it. The only exception was RDM/nin, and the next most common was pld/nin which was better than nin, but only just.

You don't understand the why people cast ahead to begin with, the gear that lets us cast fast on ninja, didn't exist. That said, you also must have never played since lvl 99.

We could tank sea/sky because the mobs were *** SLOW. DPS got a *** ton of protection for the time they took to cast the spell back then. BUT....

Many mobs today have more adds and swing faster, the 75 era equivalent was AV and motherglobe, both of which chewed ninjas up and left them on the floor. Since any job can kite, including smn and whm back at 75, the condition of MG or AV kiting is moot.

Since the trend for mobs post abyssea was multi attack and the beginnings of AoE, and usually adds which became standard for most NMs. Which necessitated the reliance on ninja having FC, which hurt its dps. Even today Nin has a hard time as a tank or a dps (highly niche cases for hybrid ws do exist). This lead to the death of the NIN main and sub at large, yes people do it, but at its most effective it protects you for A attack round these days. Why do we still sub it, higher level dual wield, that alone.

So you don't do enough endgame to know why DT in all sets matters now, and you didn't understand NIN or /nin at 75?

The only skill issue I see is in your lack of information, and rhetoric.

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