Jobs Making Best Use Out Of Malignance?

Hi all, so I farmed malignance (full set) for my RDM, and it's extraordinary because it just transformed it into a melee maniac and I've been enjoying soloing numerous things with it.

What other jobs take great advantage of the set? I hear COR does since it has great MACC. I'm not so sure on the other hand if I'd say MNK does since it has bhikku, adhemar and mpaca for tp, maybe 1 or 2 malignance pieces.

Rdm gets the most mileage cause they got crap for dd set options. But just about every job gets great use of malig from a hybrid standpoint or mythic am3 set, nyames better for more phys situations due to its much higher def/hp

RDM gets the most.
THF BLU COR, even DNC still using adhemar+1 pieces, samnhue tights for fastest tp, even herc TA+4 pieces on trash mobs

In content that matters you wont use Adhemar+1 really...

BLU uses nearly full Malignance all the time for AM3 sets with Tizona, and COR the same when using Rostam B, but also uses alot of of it anyway. Having a TP set made of paper isnt really useful in endgame activities, so Malignance is ideal for those jobs even if a multi hit item w/ much less defense/meva is stronger in a calculator.

THF and DNC have other options between JSE and Gleti

THF and BLU aren't really taken to content that matters, and DNC remains disengaged on Animon. The other bosses melt in 30-45s with PLD GEO COR BRD RDM DNC set up and with buffs out the *** you can TP in a heavily defensive set that's true.

Context always matters though. Someone repeatedly making threads asking such basic questions probably isn't looking to optimise their 9 boss runs or low man Dyna d, etc.

RDM is definitely the king of malignance - which is fitting since it's EEEVIIIILLL rdm af armor after all.

DNC with Terpsichore is imo the runner up - ton of multiattack from the AM3 synergizes well with Mali, on par for RDM with Temper2.

Third place imo is... MNK. When mali came out, suddenly it was monks EVERYWHERE and only monks doing any content (tho the trend had already started a bit earlier, but mali definitely cemented it)

Others do not benefit as much, no.

EDIT: ah good point just below, we got a bunch of stuff later that replaces it.

I used to use it a lot on MNK but there are better 50% DT sets with emp+3 now.

I don't have any proofs, but several people said, that TH matters on stuff you get from Sortie bosses, so if you do 8boss run in Sortie, then THF could be a very good choice.

THF would also be a preferred choice for low man dynamis D, also because of TH.

Now BLU would melee during v25 Kalunga, Mboze and also possibly 8/8 Sortie. Frequently also in Ambuscades. It's also one of the best choices for dynamis D (but in this case it would spend most of the time in empy+3 nuking, but would melee bosses). Not sure how you define content that matters then?

I wish it was true that THF increased drops but I'm doubtful. If it did then it could replace DNC surely, even if bosses took a bit longer.
Sure on Kalunga and Mboze but Kalunga can very much be done without BLU and I expect Mboze is possible without BLU damage too, even if that means it taking two KI

Segments can very much be done without WAR too. If you finally agree, that not everything needs to be done with super optimal setup with optimal performance, then it opens even more possibilities for BLU or THF melee in many places :)

I'm not the one that argues for meta, it's you, male, and thorny, except for when arguing against meta gives you a chance to argue with people.

the malignance set is also a great starting point for any kind of evasion build. so any of those jobs, looking for an evasion/dt set, this should be your starting point. thief and I believe dancer get better options in their empy, but I don't know about other jobs.

Depends what you mean with "better".
More DT in a single piece? Absolutely.
More eva? There's a couple of exceptions but in general: no.
More specific stats? Depends from piece to piece but in general, yes.

Malignance Tights also are quite unique since they use the old model of 9% haste in the legs slot, whereas most recent gear use the ~6% haste model, so it can be extremely useful to cap gear haste without relying on the cape/belt slots (granted there are other rare options like 10% Haste TVR ring, some jobs get 5% Haste ammo, then there's 2% Haste on Gleti's Knife too).

FWIW, it's undeniable that TH increases drops in Incursion, which has an identical drop model [the server decides what you get, then every person has it distributed to them]. Wouldn't say it's too much of a stretch to think that TH works in Sortie, but it hasn't been proven to my knowledge.

I love how we're a hivemind like the borg now because you need a boogeyman because arguing on the merits is too hard.

My allegiance falls squarely on reality, which unfortunately for you isn't so cookie cutter that my opinions on everything fall into a neat box for you to write Barnum statements about.

The meta is what it is for a reason. It's generally the easiest, safest, best choice.

Fortunately, most ffxi content isn't all that hard, so with skilled well-geared players, you can go off-meta and still get wins no problem. It's still sub-optimal, but no big deal.

NIN gets phenomenal use out of Malignance set. It's practically ready as-is and can be used as the default TP set for most content. You use all of the stats on malignance as NIN: Ranged Accuracy for Daken, Magic Accuracy (for Ninjutsu enfeebles), Accuracy, and Store TP.

Sadly, Mpaca is missing vital ranged accuracy stats for NIN, making it a more high-end/defensive hybrid set. Adhemar/+1 is a defensive liability, Kendatsuba/+1 garb set is lacking -DT% (though it's great for NIN otherwise); thus, Malignance is the best choice for any NIN build that doesn't need any further customization, if you don't want to go to that extent. And even though Malignance set lacks Attack, since NIN's style of DPS is more 'speed-to-TP' similar to RDM with Temper II, it doesn't feel the significant loss of attack during TP phase because it makes up for it with WS frequency.

I'd rate Malignance set as superb on NIN, right after RDM. Other jobs, as mentioned, benefit from it a lot, but I think those two jobs get more out of the full 5 pieces than others might.

I agree it works in incursion, entirely no doubt about that. Granted we're probably all over our requirements of every item except the final one then I guess it doesn't matter much either. The only way it could matter then is if taking a THF to Aminon HQ and likely doing more runs still results in faster to get to 5 drops.

Blu isn't weak used in multiple ody fights (kalunga bumba mboze, multi ki ongo) and is insanely powerful in places like Dyna D.

Well yeah, fights you only ever need to beat once though. As for OP's question, I don't think they are doing Bumba V25 any time soon or 3 manning Dyna D bosses?

Not sure if you edited this or I missed it in haste. I'd like to know BLU can do 8/8 bosses, but without Tizona? Probably not.

Ambu even this month BLU is dogshit for speed despite the Entomb strat people discuss. BLU is a toy people like to pull out, but not really ever needed for any Ambu I can think of.

Dyna D, not sure what you are referring to. It's content you need to clear once, and isn't particularly hard now with a few people using a variety of jobs. Farming is better with THF for obvious reasons, but that's not really content I consider when selecting what jobs to gear. Once and done for me.

I think it's unfair that Sakpata is -DT when Gleti and Mpaca only got PDT. They all should have been DT or PDT.

Tizona BLU is top DD job with tons of unique utility, so I wonder what you mean here. The only reason it's not meta is because it requires much more effort to fully build.

I mean it's not needed for any ambu and people generally have other more broadly useful DD jobs levelled and geared if they are a DD player. Requiring a mythic sets the barrier ridiculously high for a DD job to be usable.

I wouldn't say there are many more useful DD jobs if any, but that's whole other discussion. Same as entry level for being top DD. It's not a thread about what's the meta or what's the easiest job to gear to be useful. OP haven't specified anything beside asking "What other jobs take great advantage of the set?" and you try to throw some narrative about meta again. BLU has massive use case for Malignance.

Why do you constantly use that argument "it's not needed"? It's an archaic way of thinking in a game with 22 jobs and dozens of viable strats to do things. It's kind of a misnomer. You could apply that logic to so many other jobs and it would be just as silly. Do you need WHM in every ambu, or could SCH suffice? Can you just scrap the healer entirely and use PLD? Could you scrap the PLDs entirely and just use BLUs to stunlock and spam White Wind? Do you need a healer at all if you bring a RDM+BRD duo combo and sleep/bind/grav/silence everything? Do you need RDM+BRD when you can bring PUPs to Overdrive + AFK? It's an endless discussion of nonsense.

Also, Ambuscade is mid-tier content, and all of the strats have been fleshed out, so there's nothing more to discover unless they adjust it. What jobs are truly "needed"? They can be done in a number of ways, and BLU shines in several of them, to the point where SE had to actually nerf stuff like stun lock and subduction in certain fights. Even still, it's an amazing job that has great utility in a lot of instances. Osmosis being able to dispel pretty much anything (like Ramuh ambu's shock spikes) is pretty incredible. Funny enough, you can scrap the PLD spot in that party too, by just bringing 1-2 BLUs. Osmosis removes spikes, Diffusion Occultation protects everyone from Volt Strike AC spam (and you can re-do it also if COR pops Random Deal after you use first one), so nobody should take any damage from that phase. White Wind replaces Majesty Cures, and you get a superior DD.

Oh yeah, don't we also use Elemental Seal + Unbridled Learning + Absolute Terror to zerg down the Summoner? Sounds like a pretty useful need there to me, but maybe there's a more optimal way to down that guy that I haven't heard of.

It's likely you just don't appreciate BLU because you don't have one built, never partied with a good one, or are one of those players who only look for the most cookie-cutter and simplest strats and ignore any other approach. But I don't understand your perspective.

Summoner Ambu is perfect example for BLU, because you also use absolute terror on SMN and kill it with easy before it goes off, bypassing fights with avatars almost entirely.

I haven't write about it, because that's a bait to another stupid conversation about what's Meta and why you need like 6 jobs to fight everything, when the thread is about something else completely.

It also suffers from low exposure which affects its reputation. It's a mildly technical job that requires more than mashing the same WS over and over until things die. Because it requires effort to build one to deal high end damage, but also knowledge of how to apply its skills to the best situations, it doesn't get used by many players in general. This leads to less top-BLUs who can showcase it in endgame, which leads to a very wrong wide-spread perception that BLU is "weak", because most players are simply copycats of others. This is a player-created controversy based on just following what other people say and do. I'm sure if well known top end players used BLU in several high end content clears or showed a video of BLU doing something impressive in Sortie, people's opinions will change.

I value my life so filling with the best DD that takes the quickest to clear is a priority to me. Any player that plays DD jobs will have more than BLU. My BLUs are full best in slot minus tizona, and as I've said, that's a stupidly high level to enter a job. It's also something I'd put behind other mythics if I were to make more, and I really hate that process so I've only ever made 2.

I can't remember which ambu that is.

We should definitely replace whm with pld for all content it can heal if it means being able to add another dd or support.

I actually enjoyed using BLU this month doing 55k savage blade, 99k during 2hrs. Was stronger than my SAM weirdly. Still wouldn't advocate for making one over SAM though.

Both of these statements can't be true then. BLU was undoubtedly the best and required job for this ambu, so if you can't remember it, you weren't doing it optimally that month. So you don't value your life. :)