Which Aeonics Are Job Changing?

Hi all, so I've got some LS friends that were hosting a run in 2 weeks, but just need to decide on what to get. FYI I don't plan on getting empys or mythics for most jobs which is why I'm focusing on jobs where aeonic may be enough for a particular job (but more on this later.)

So back to the original question. I was looking for an aeonic that's potentially job-changing, and was interested in knowing exactly how much it changes the job for the better.

I'll give a few examples:

• My RDM was great for support, and horrible for damage UNTIL I put together the malignance set, I would say that's job changing.

• I haven't got a Heishi yet, but everyone says it's NIN's best damage option. I wanted to get into NIN many times but its damage almost matched my RDM pre-malignance so I have no idea how much the numbers change.

A few weapons I was interested in and would like some thoughts on:

Lionheart: While people say it turns this job into a DD, I also hear a lot of regrets over its choice since apparently you need a lot of gear to support it? And the fact that a RUN usually would tank and use Epeo anyway.

Chango: I have MNK with Godhands already and I treat it as one of my zerging jobs (even though everyone zergs with WAR). Already got Naegling for WAR so not sure how much Chango changes a WAR's damage, I usually hear it's very good, I suppose if I knew just how good.

Heishi: As I said, I have a kenda/malignance NIN using ambu katanas known to not be too great, my damage is quite low with shun/tens but if this weapon (coupled with the right gear eventually) makes a huge difference in numbers, I may consider it. I just don't know how much of a difference damage becomes.

Fomalhaut: I'm not a COR but I enjoy the job. A person advised that having this jumps a COR quite a bit, and though Death Penalty is nice, you can still COR without it? Keen to know how it changes the job though. My current naegling COR with malignance does low damage, I assume last stand is what you'll spam with Foma, just how well does it boost your damage? And is it mostly a damage increase over providing more utility?

Marsyas: So this offers honor's march and 50%+ duration. A bard needs all 4 REMA is what everyone says, and gjallahorn can kind of be bought with gil, so if I got this, it would leave empy and mythic. Mythic is something I probably won't do, but I hear the NMs for the BRD empy aren't too troublesome (unlike glavoid which stopped me from trying for a Twashtar). I also heard the mythic is great but not entirely required and is more for personal damage? Either way, if I got Marsyas and Gjallahorn, and slowly worked on the empy, how complete would you say my bard would be (ignoring the gear I'll get eventually).

And if you guys have any other weapons to point out that'd be cool too. Anyhow, thanks.

Marsyas > Chango > Godhands > everything else imo

actually Doji might be above Godhands

I wouldn’t do horn unless you are 100% positive you will get the empy harp. An honor march brd without 4 songs isn’t gonna get used all that much in endgame unfortunately. Carn is less “required” but really helps you get the maximum duration out of soul voice songs but you could technically get away with not having it I suppose.

Brd will open up the most doors for you content wise. If you are just going for fun, I’d go Heishi as that makes ninja hybrid WS very effective and a solid solid physical dmg weapon as well.

The thing with COR is that Death Penalty is going to make Leaden Salute your best magical ranged WS option for anything that doesn't resist Darkness element. Fomalhaut makes Last Stand your best physical ranged WS option. Naegling makes Savage Blade... your best WS option, really.

Fomalhaut is good and useful, but you're making it for the situations where 1) you can't Savage Blade and 2) you can't Leaden Salute effectively. Which is kinda rare - I would say if you did want to COR I'd just start the mythic grind to make DP first because that's the hard one and pick up Fomalhaut at some later date if you are still interested.

I love Doji so much. You need it to solo Kei and it is useful for other things.

Donno if i agree with that, even at 3 song HM replaces your 1st or 2nd march still and still acts as minuet4.5/madrigal1.5/prelude1.5 at the same time

as for which are game changing, idk if any compare to horn, they're all dmg sticks. Among your weapon options chango > heishi > Fomal > LH

chango beefs gaxe best ws, heishi is great for hybrids and just generally solid all around(mostly cause rema katanas are all flavors of meh), fomals already been covered and youll want it for bullets at the very least, it doesnt really change the job in a huge way, biggest change is you get a nice radiance sc with savage, but at the cost of magian tp bonus gun, which can also be a stronger leaden salute gun cause of its higher tp bonus.

LH is largely a lockstyle imo, anytime you're tanking youll likely be in epeo or aettir, but it is a nice DPS weapon

If you ever plan to play BRD at all you should do Marsyas. And if you pair Marsyas and get a Miracle Cheer for your Bonanza kupon, you're almost all the way there. I would definitely prioritize Daurdabla after that though. It's a lot easier than it used to be since Ochain, Kannagi, and Almace have lost a lot of popularity over the years.

I'd do daurdabla first if you want to play bard. Nothing beats an extra song.

Nin katana if you play Nin for sure. Not a fan of doji, as someone with every Sam weapon except relic.

Thanks all, the harp is sounding pretty good right now. If the NM 50/75/75 items aren't too bad then I'll definitely jump into getting the empy too. This would give me a nice job to have for support finally.

Otherwise, it probably comes down to Katana or Chango.

If Chango is pretty fun then might start building WAR since the idea of spamming fell cleaves and SCing with all those attack buffs sounds very nice, and as a solo enjoyer, probably would be a fun zerging setup too.

The Heishi is still under consideration, I love NIN so if the damage is actually similar to my RDM with temper 2 and crocea or naegling/thibron SB then I might consider it as another solo option.

Chango is a monster for WAR. But it isn't really for zerging. Its amazing at making self skillchains. If you ever solo or low-man with WAR, it is great for out. It can be an alt for your GH monk in situations that require slashing damage.

Marsyas is must-have for bard and pairs with the new Miracle Cheer pretty dang well if you haven't used your Kupon, yet. You will really want the Empyrean though. If you've already used your Kupon and/or are certain you're never get other REMAs for it, pass on this one.

Fomalhaut is awesome if you don't plan to get any other REMAS for COR. It is the second best option for Leaden Salute, after DP. As well as the second best shooting gun (not counting Prime).

Lionheart is...pretty old. Epeo replaces it for 99% of content so nobody really uses it anymore to my knowledge. Epeo is better for tanking, better for for hybrid tanking, and if you only care about DPS then your GH monk will already be better for that situation.

I don't have heishi so I can't comment on that.

Right now there's vamabout on, which can get you any six empy weapon items from any NM via the I-Aby vouchers. These are on the first reward tier.

Lionheart - Never use.

Heishi - Use probably 98% of the time, excellent for NIN.

Chango - Use quite often, skillchain monster. Great to have for any serious war to add to the weapon arsenal though despite not using it all the time.

Fomalhaut - Never use, don't like playing cor. However savage blade is WAY stronger, so unless you are specifically doing ranged set up and intentionally staying out of range due to whatever reason, you should be savage blading unfortunately.

Marsyas - Don't play brd, dont have brd geared. Any good brd will have and want this. Honor March is a staple and is virtually used all the time.

*I am not telling you to not use things, this is just what I personally have found owning many of these and playing these jobs.

Reading through your thoughts I think a few of them would be better viewed from a different angle.

For Heishi; Shun in general is going to be lower damage, Ten I've heard can get decent numbers, but I don't really do physical dmg, the big dmg you'd be looking for, especially with a Heishi is hybrid ws, Chi/To etc. On Locus bats with a non-idris geo and trusts can hit 40-60k+ Chi without much issue.

Fomalhaut the same, will push hybrid Hot Shot up, is also pretty decent for leaden without having a Death Penalty, but imo the biggest boon for having aeonic gun is the rema bullets. 1 free stack of bullets per hour.



the next best bullet would be something like this gotten from moogle curio


But in most cases cor will still rely on savage blade for its main damage source, last stand only if it needs piercing/stand at range. I don't have a Death Penalty on my cor and can do sortie B KI solo and dyna statue 1shots no problem.

The other benefit of Fomal is it gives last stand light property, allowing it to 2step light with AM1+ up or do a 3 or 4 step radiance. I often do Last stand > Savage Blade > Last stand for a simple 3step double light.

And previously brought up in the thread, Brd will still mostly use Naegling and Savage blade for damage (unless theres a ws wall), carn's main draw is the song duration bonus. Without Carn songs last like ~9min 30sec (I don't know the actual duration) under nitro and nitro's cooldown is 10min, so without Carn you need to refresh songs without nitro to not lose songs and then resing them again after nitro is back up. It's a hassle and annoying but 100% doable.

Also your comment of "My current naegling COR with malignance does low damage" are you wsing in malig gear? If so then yes the ws will do quite low damage, Naegling and savage want the atk+ and the wsd+ from nyame if you have it, even a low ranked nyame like rank4-8 to have wsd+3/4 you should see a sizable boost. Tp bonus gun would also help very much on savage numbers.

I vote Cor.

You will be invited to all kinds of content.
Sounds like you have malignace already.
I started mine with a foma and an alt without and there is a huge difference in power without a rema.

Leader, hotshot, savage blade

The foma helps all around improvement with being a source of store tp, bullets, tp bonus.
But cor is significantly more expensive than ninja.
But people will invite you just the same if you dont drop tons of gil into the job because they want the rolls.

Plates and souls arent available from the kupon.

I know you specified weapon items, but the reply was about the harp.

Meta has slightly shifted towards Hot Shot recently, and might still be a thing with new Limbus. I still think there's a case for Fomalhaut as a respectable option for magical (hybrid) WS.


That would be Earp/Terminus, which is a huge grind. Fomalhaut gives COR a very fast entry-level shooting Gun that doesn't require the ridiculous Sortie grind, nor the absurd prices of Empyrean Weapons for Armageddon. A shooting COR is still useful for Arebati and Xevioso (can melee in Tauret and Last Stand). The instances of shooting on COR where Leaden isn't viable isn't all that rare, to be honest. I'd put Fomalhaut in my top list of Aeonics to make.

With that said, to answer the OP: There is only one job-changing Aeonic, and that's Marsyas. Honor March is practically a necessity for any endgame content, and you can make one even if you don't have Carn yet, since you can overwrite songs. All of the other Aeonics are just interesting weapons.

If I were to make a ranking system for Aeonics, it'd be something like:

1. Marsyas
-.
-.
-.
-.
2. Fomalhaut
3. Godhands/Chango/Heishi
4. Rest of them

Yeah um, no you don't. Ichigohitofuri or something similar like Gekkei is sufficient if you're decently geared and supported. Doji just makes it easier. I just did last Kei using Masamune because I forgot to switch out, it's really not a required Aeonic for anything. Nice to have though, but not job changing.

Id say Marsyas is more important than Daur:
Honor is 90% advancing march, 110% MinuetV, 50% Blade Madrigal

That is already the value of two songs, two of which are going to get used 99% of the time (AdvMar and MinV)

What 4+ step are you doing without Doji?
What buffs did you have when you did this with Masa?

I've only ever done it with Aeonic (WAR, MNK, and NIN in addition to SAM) but really MNK and WAR basically need SAM roll to be able to do it reliably. I do not have SAM roll when I do it, which if you have when you use Masa you are really missing the point.

same sc as any multistep (i did the same for CoD)
fudo > kasha > shoha > fudo. Doji is a bonus, it's not a requirement.

What do you mean by "solo" Kei? Solo DD? Solo with Trusts? Solo with alts supporting? If what you mean by solo is a true solo with only trust support, you still don't need doji. Here's a video showing a masa sam using only trusts soloing Kei. No SAM roll.



When I did it, we had support from a brd whm and geo so marches and entrust haste. No rolls, that's not necessary. You get enough TP from normal attacks to make continuous non-stop SC. This is even the case like I said in CoD, I can solo Normal on SAM entirely with trusts using Masa without SAM roll.

I mentioned Ichigohitofuri specifically, because I used this GKT for a long time before I made my Masamune. It has the exact same unique stat as Ryuo feet, making it an absurdly fast TP gaining weapon. It's weaker in damage for sure, but Kei is old content, and with Nyame etc, the damage is still very strong.

The GKT is good, it's not a requirement for anything is what I am saying.

Fudo shoha kasha fudo (might be f k s f, i have the muscle memory engrained from the macros I hit)

It's Fudo, Kasha, Shoha, Fudo but that obviously wouldn't make Radiance which Kei takes a LOT of damage from, aeonic does a lot more damage than other weapons for this fight. Perhaps it isn't needed, but it is a big bonus for doing it.

Well I always consider how this bard is getting an aeonic without having first 4 songs to use to beat the aeonic NMs. I've done entire aeonic climbs without marsyas but with daurd.

This obviously doesn't apply if the bard doesn't need to be able to beat the NMs.

Due to the low resolution and 10x speed up I have no idea what is happening in that video, but it isn't 4 step light they are using.

nvm, it dropped me to 720p for some reason. Trying to see it now.

I agree with you for sure it's a huge chunk. Don't misunderstand what I am saying. Not saying its not a good sword, im answering the OP. I don't see Doji as job-changing. Makes it a powerhouse when soloing, but it's not what I would consider Maryas level job-changing. You can still pop off strong multisteps without Doji. Its very good for hybrids and SC, but I forget so often to change out of Masamune, I don't even notice anymore.

The point I was making was he is using Masamune in equipviewer. Even if he's not using radiance or light, its still a multistep. I was just posting it to show Doji is not really a requirement for Kei clearing, even solo. It's not a super gamechanger IMHO, but you have your own opinion so i won't discredit it.

Whats the difference between 99999 Radiance and 99999 light?

Also I don't have Monberaux so not sure if that makes a difference for me, seems they do only Kasha>Rana>Shoha which is pretty bad damage.

I'd love to know their kill time, must be like 20mins. Edit: Just checked and it is THIRTY MINUTES, *** that.

Not sure it would do 99999, Radiance should do more damage than light in that same sc AFAIK.

Doji is used in two fights, Kei and that frog ambu. Or CP for jinpu spam, which is just cheapest method to jinpu spam.

Used if you don't have anything else.