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 Bahamut.Senaki
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By Bahamut.Senaki 2025-06-04 08:32:46
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Any piece that has WS damage on it I suspect will become better than Nyame R30 for that slot.
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By Fenrir.Zenion 2025-06-04 08:53:45
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Asura.Sensarity said: »
Put TP bonus on everything so we can start using all the cool offhand weapons we're currently ignoring for 15 year old magian offhands

I'm so *** sick of Thibron and Centovente

TP bonus stacks, doesn't it? So put TP bonus on the new armor, and people are still going to use the magian weapons, they'll just use them along with the new pieces. Unless SE gives the armor TP bonus +2000, which would be a terrible idea.
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By Lakshmi.Sahzi 2025-06-04 09:02:00
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Fenrir.Zenion said: »
Asura.Sensarity said: »
Put TP bonus on everything so we can start using all the cool offhand weapons we're currently ignoring for 15 year old magian offhands

I'm so *** sick of Thibron and Centovente

TP bonus stacks, doesn't it? So put TP bonus on the new armor, and people are still going to use the magian weapons, they'll just use them along with the new pieces. Unless SE gives the armor TP bonus +2000, which would be a terrible idea.

Could be true, but you're going to reach a point where things on paper aren't matching reality.

A 1ktp body piece with 12% WSD (for example) with earring you're throwing at 2250. Offhanding a tp wep you're capped and wasting 250tp, so another earring becomes viable.

But oh no, pushback. Oh no, SA needs 2 more seconds. Oh no, it's lagging. Oh no I need to aoe cure. Now you're at 3500tp with an OH from the dark ages.

On paper I'm sure the OH would wreck...but I'd bet my 2 Gil that a RL parse would tell a very different story.

I really like the idea of a 12%wsd/1000tp body piece.
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By Leviathan.Isiolia 2025-06-04 09:10:39
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- Upgraded AF weapons would be cool to see.
- Upgraded Relic (and maybe Empyrean) accessories are another thing they seem to have just entirely forgotten about.

- Armor upgrades I'd like to see more unique benefits. Apply some of the neat things from Bonanza weapons or whatnot - even just the Weapon Skill stat% boost could be cool to see. Maybe a multiplier to WSD, so the piece scales up as someone upgrades.

With where the game is at, maybe it's fair to say that REMA weapon enhancing stats would be generally beneficial. Extra stats as a latent with weapons, reduce TP needed for AM levels, make Afterglow more useful, offhand stats/WS apply, whatever. Lots of stuff to play with there that could be interesting.
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By K123 2025-06-04 10:09:37
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I wish they'd just let us pick up or buy an AF set if you've done it once before so you don't have to re-quest it. Actually, let us just buy one anyway cus I cba to do quests and chests.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-06-04 10:18:22
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They need to just change the deeds from 1 set to all of them.

Antiquated annoying quests and dynamis. (Ironic, they really are artifacts and relics of a time long past)
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By Kadokawa 2025-06-04 12:48:34
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Bahamut.Senaki said: »
Any piece that has WS damage on it I suspect will become better than Nyame R30 for that slot.

Really Nyame r30 is not a priority for me, the 4 WSD and 20 attack, just boost the damage for 3k~4k in Izanami/Kastra WS simulator for Savage Blade.

I could do all content with no issues if my ws is doing less damage by 3k.


Empy +3, Artifcat and relic +4 will reduce the dependance on Nyame in general.
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2025-06-04 13:07:31
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Kadokawa said: »
Really Nyame r30 is not a priority for me, the 4 WSD and 20 attack, just boost the damage for 3k~4k in Izanami/Kastra WS simulator for Savage Blade.

I could do all content with no issues if my ws is doing less damage by 3k.
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By Bahamut.Senaki 2025-06-04 13:08:30
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Kadokawa said: »
Bahamut.Senaki said: »
Any piece that has WS damage on it I suspect will become better than Nyame R30 for that slot.

Really Nyame r30 is not a priority for me, the 4 WSD and 20 attack, just boost the damage for 3k~4k in Izanami/Kastra WS simulator for Savage Blade.

I could do all content with no issues if my ws is doing less damage by 3k.


Empy +3, Artifcat and relic +4 will reduce the dependance on Nyame in general.

Suddenly the V25 Bumba mercs cried out in pain…
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By Shichishito 2025-06-04 13:12:49
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Bahamut.Senaki said: »
Any piece that has WS damage on it I suspect will become better than Nyame R30 for that slot.
That would kind of be admitting the fact that odyssey was a failure and that a lot of people ignore gaols completely.
I don't see it happening unless they also increase nyame augment cap.
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2025-06-04 13:17:09
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I just hope the +4 is more job ability stuff - would be nice for unique things and not just a 4% increase across the board.

as for oddy - I think its more of a mogphone issues and people just not wanting to waste points with pugs - shits needs to be more approachable or make sheol ABC spammable all day
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By Dodik 2025-06-04 13:19:49
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Every new armor set is going to be a progression on the previous set, that's how progression works.

If it was used for WS at +3 before Nyame and now it's getting +4/+5, it's definitely maybe going to surpass Nyame otherwise why bother doing the upgrade.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-06-04 13:22:15
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I would hold off on the definitely. Should is the right word, remember that AF is largely void of attack. If they only do upgrades and not actual improvement none of it is going back in.

(mnk bst nin cor drg blu WSD piece are no attack)
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2025-06-04 13:47:56
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I hope certain pieces surpass Nyame B, It let's you possibly re-augment a few pieces to Path A.
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By K123 2025-06-04 13:51:27
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People speaking like they play only 1 DD job
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By Kadokawa 2025-06-04 13:54:18
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Fenrir.Skarwind said: »
I certain pieces surpass Nyame B, It let's you possibly re-augment a few pieces to Path A.


That is a true Win-Win situation :D
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2025-06-04 14:05:43
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wish the Nyame augs worked like 119 Abj gear so I can swap it at any time

Then someone makes a plugin called "Autonyame" that lets you create presets so it talks to the NPC for you to automatically change it so you can save time/clicking and then we can get banned and stop min/maxing a 20+ year old game...
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-06-04 14:31:45
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Bismarck.Nickeny said: »
wish the Nyame augs worked like 119 Abj gear so I can swap it at any time

This would be a very interesting QoL/adjustment. Knowing SE, they'd have to throw in a cost associated with it so it's not "abused", so make something like 1k-30k Segments range per piece to change augment path, corresponding to the equipment's current Rank. This would give players another use for Segments, since after a certain point, they don't offer anything besides the insane price of Lustreless materials
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-06-04 14:35:27
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Or SE caps WSD and Nyame A C D finally get to see the light of day
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By Dodik 2025-06-04 14:44:15
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I think a lot of people would quit outright if SE capped WSD.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-06-04 14:47:04
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Why?

Yall begging for more WSD/TPBonus on the +4 armor for what? To up your dmg from 99999 to 99999?

Because youll be upset over the 30k or wtv segs you spent cheezing Bumba RP and have to do it again on another path?

A job that you left behind may become viable again?

How much of the playerbase went with path A, C or D? Do you know anyone who went that route? Ever /check someone (with permission of course) and seen them with A C D nyame? I dont remember seeing it in the wild ever.
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By Genoxd 2025-06-04 14:58:14
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I wish I could do path D for SMN. I would swap in an instant if there was an alternative. Even on SMN the WSD is great, I out DPS my avatars for EP just spamming Oshala
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By Dodik 2025-06-04 15:06:16
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Have seen a couple D pieces on pet jobs. Not a full set.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2025-06-04 15:07:17
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Putting a hard cap on WSD would not necessarily be a bad thing. It could be pretty high. For example, if they capped it at 100, and you could reasonably reach it, you could then focus on PDL, WS modifiers and multi attack (if that matters).
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-06-04 15:13:10
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Dodik said: »
Have seen a couple D pieces on pet jobs. Not a full set.
Falkirk :D
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-06-04 15:20:33
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“I looked through the Nyame of 14 million players”
“How many didnt have path B”
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-06-04 15:24:17
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Cerberus.Kylos said: »
if they capped it at 100, and you could reasonably reach it

Is there even a job that can hit this if 100 were the cap? DRK maybe?

Cape 10
JSE+2 ear 5
Thrud 3
Knob 6
Epam 5
Cornelia's 10
JSE feet +3 12
Nyame head/body/hands/legs 47

is 98

You'd have to use like Blurred Shield to break 100 from gear (unless you count the gifts, then you're over).

Maybe WSD does cap at 100, anyone test that before? I always thought it had no known cap, but I can't find where I read this before or just we were never able to hit it.
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By Dodik 2025-06-04 15:33:56
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Gifts, also merit abilities etc.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2025-06-04 15:55:41
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
Cerberus.Kylos said: »
if they capped it at 100, and you could reasonably reach it

Is there even a job that can hit this if 100 were the cap? DRK maybe?

Cape 10
JSE+2 ear 5
Thrud 3
Knob 6
Epam 5
Cornelia's 10
JSE feet +3 12
Nyame head/body/hands/legs 47

is 98

You'd have to use like Blurred Shield to break 100 from gear (unless you count the gifts, then you're over).

Maybe WSD does cap at 100, anyone test that before? I always thought it had no known cap, but I can't find where I read this before or just we were never able to hit it.

I'd be interested to know if 100 is the cap. I doubt it, though.
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