Onion Sword III Worth It?

While the initial Kalunga trial I was a part of was to see if DNC could crank out the damage to be a main damage dealing source, I very much like the approach discussed here where DNC is a support-focus to enable others (BLU etc.) to shine in the fight. While the damage was unimpressive during the fight I tried, the sword granting viability to creating new comps is quite interesting.

I can, but the onus is on you Simon so you can do the math. Anyway, thanks for proving a DNC might be stronger than a WAR on a crawler. This theory proves everything!

But the argument was about what is optimal, not what is viable. Don't let Simonses+Thorny+Maletaru move the goalposts so they can claim victory when they are blatantly wrong and know it.

The math people have proven that if you bias the gearsets and playstyle and guesstimate some numbers that DNC might be stronger on Locus Crawler.

the fact that they don't want to "argue" with you because you're acting unhinged is completely lost on you isn't it?

What is your char name then? Why are you so ashamed of yourself?

it's kinas on asura, you probably haven't seen me online in the last 4-5 years though. nbd

You're claiming to be on Asura and to never have seen me online? I've been in parties with Bukki and Godfry who are posting in the thread. I've played with Melliny on another char and I'm in Taint's linkshell - the only two rational posters here (who both agree with me).

I have played with both, Kinas and K123. Both really good players. 10/10 recommend!

Oh a few things are being mixed up here. Neither Savage nor Fast Blade have native attack or defense modifiers, that makes them target neutral. High defense, low defense, doesn't matter it's the exact same pDiff multiplier. Naegling is a weapon that adds an attack bonus to any weapon skill it uses, vorpal blade, fast blade, circle blade and yes Savage Blade. DNC doesn't get access to naegling so that is outside this discussion. Next is mods, unless a mod is ungodly terrible (Requiescat MND anyone), 80% of a single is usually more beneficial then a 40/40 or 50/50 split due to how stats are on accessories. Having said that, STR is pretty much the best mod for physical WS's to have so it's not bad to have 50% of it in a WS.

Next is that V25 Kalunga is a very bad choice for a test. Fast Blade II is like Savage Blade in that it absolutely sucks at 1K TP, you want to fire off at 2K to make any real impact and 2.5K to get big pretty numbers. This makes TP bonus equipment practically mandatory for using this WS. COR and RNG use their Magian weapon, WAR has Ikenga, Fencer and Warcry, Dancer has magian dagg.... ohh wait .... damn. Dancer's best offhand for this build, a weapon that doubles it's WS output, isn't really viable due to Kalunga's -100% resistance to piercing. Off hand strikes will deal no damage and general no TP.

Seriously stop using crappy Gaol V25 boss's as examples for things, those fights cheat so badly that they should never be used as examples of how things really work. Dyna D boss's or mabey a melee sortie would be better locations. Hopefully Rimbus :p ends up not being more open to non-standard builds.

Defense down is something you open with and run with as long as possible, but once roar happens just ignore it because you can't overwrite it and instead need it to wear off and you reapply. The RUN is usually busy trying not to die due to the dispel + physical hits, I wouldn't expect them to be able to switch to GAXE, get TP and apply armor break in a reasonable amount of time.

I absolutely agree 100% with this - especially since what you said are facts.

THUS WHY I WAS SURPRISED AT PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE ONION-DNC ARGUMENT ON ----------- KALUNGA.

A fight with an already pretty viable strategy that benefits slashing damage, high attack and burst damage (40 and 25%).

It's like trying to showcase Laphria on Aminon. You are gonna have a hard time justifying its use in a fight where WAR cannot engage, making Warcry and Mighty Strikes almost useless compared to DNC GP, CLIM and Reverse.

Holding out hope we get this sorted before Onion Sword VII comes out. It's like the FFVII Remake, only Aerith doesn't die because Barrett was using an Onion Sword and had lower DPS

Limbus is going to release a new Garlic Sword with Swift Blade II.

Don't fcking tempt me, I've been wanting Swift Blade on RDM and BLU for ages now. It's the only other sword WS with Gravitation property and unlike Requiescat it actually deals decent damage. It's not a bursty WS like Savage or Fast Blade II but it does enough to justify using in a setup for a SC. People can try it out with the Hepatizon +1 weapons to see what I mean.

tbh the fastest videos of Kalunga clears (arguably not proccing and killing ASAP is technically more "survivable" than having a DNC or BLU cure anyway) haven't even had WAR or BLU in, they all have GEO DRK WHM

Still DNC with a sword isn't optimal for ***. Did SE not put it on Naegling on accident, or on purpose?

Just save Battuta for this. You could tenichally be unlucky and get dispelled, but after roar BRD is not doing anything for a while, so it can give run honor and vmarch if RUN is missing them and getting 3000 TP should be a matter of 25 sec top. You would need to be very unlucky to get dispelled within that time and you can still pop Sforzo then. It's not like you need it for anything specific.

I think the Kalunga discussion also bares pointing out that it only is even worth discussing when you add on the caveat of "Also none of the other 2 targets were piercing weak either"

Because if you bring Dnc with Onion Sword to Kalunga when one of the other bosses was piercing weak, you basically wasted the dancer slot...

So the situation is narrowed further to "We are bringing dancer on a fight with zero piercing bosses and the person on Dnc has no better job with Slashing, or support or healer, but they have an onion sword so its okay"

Which maybe does exist but like, slashing is the way way more common weapon damage type. You telling me your only jobs are like, Dragoon and uh... Ranger? Who else does piercing damage mostly, I think it's just them?

"I only play drg and rng and dnc so onion sword lets me actually finally get my kalunga clears" is what it sorta sounds like, in which case go off king, live your realest life, Im not gonna hate on someone for hating playing whm or a tank and being happy they finally have a slashing option.

But, just saying, maybe you'd be better off grabbing flametongue instead and just... levelling a war...?

Call my crazy but I feel like literally everyone should have a 99 war and 99 thf, purely just for proccing abyssea and etc on war, and thf for TH ***

Its 2025, I have to assume literally everyone has a lv 99 warrior now right?

What other 2 targets?

I believed he was confused. Assuming amplifiers and trying for 3 full clears or something lol.

Mixing up clears and rp farms

Kalunga clear implies 1 job. Then after you might be inclined to damage 2 more mobs, but clearing them also is uncommon.

I use nin for abyssea procs and have 15/22 jobs geared up split between my 3 characters with a possible 2 or 3 more in the future to add to the roster, however, war will remain lv60 forever as a subjob.

Nothing against war, just not my preference. :)