Onion Sword III Worth It?

What is WAR DPS with Boxstep and Samba? What average ws damage are you claiming with Ikenga?

I use standard hybrid tp sets, so in case of WAR 4/5 sakpata with af+3 feet. For COR and BLU mostly Malignance and some empy+3 for tp. Like I have said I don't care enough to lose several hours making detailed sets now. Sim is available for everyone. Do it yourself.

you look incredibly unstable right now

Noone uses that, but ok. A quick check of the WAR thread would tell you this.

The onus is on you to prove the theory, not the other way round. I accept you don't have the time to prove it and it will remain theorycrafting, we could have concurred this 6 pages ago.

I haven't checked since I have never implied to replace BLU with DNC. It would be extremely high though and WAR would probably dominate dps so much, that it would cap enmity and pull hate.

oh there's that anon troll account someone logs into to insult people every now and then. You think you are mentally "stable"?

Fair comment, I agree this would definitely happen.

Please link me a no subjob Ikenga fencer TP set for WAR that has enough meva and dt for Kalunga v25.

You're wrong. People here DO understand the math. I have specifically explained why fast blade II is a weaponskill that excells on lower level mobs, but scales poorly into high level content where mobs gain a significant amount of defense and -dt. The differences between the mechanics of a F-TP transfer multi hit weaponskill versus a single hit scaling weaponskill matter a lot on high level content.

Fast blade 2 has an 80% dex mod and an fTP cap of 5.0 at 3k. If both swings connect, that's a total of 10.0 f-TP. However, only the first swing benefits from WSD. So you have 5.0 FTP enhanced by nyame and all your wsd gear, and 5.0 that is not. Multi swings significantly help, but they do not get WSD bonus either.

Savage blade is a 1 hit wonder with higher stat mods (100% total between 50% str and 50% mnd) so 100% secondary stat mod, and at 3k it scales to 13.75 f-TP. For savag eblade, 100% of that damage gets boosted by WSD.

This makes all the difference on high level content. This is why fast blade II will do very high damage on lower level mobs but far less on HNM type mobs. This is why I wanted people to post actual experiences to showcase real live examples. And they have. And I trust their numbers, because it's backed up BY the maths.

It's all cool, but pretty much none and at least for sure not me is suggesting FBII will do any significant damage. DNC would be the lowest dps job in that setup, even lower than BRD. It's all about party DPS, not DNC dps. DNC's personal dps is just an addition. Main point it to fully unlock dps on other 3 people and mainly on BLU by providing buffs/debuffs, breaking WS wall and releasing BLU from support healer role. I wrote that in like 10 posts at least and people still talking about FBII damage and compering DNC personal DPS for some reason.

Is "kinas" on asura you?

It does beg the question then, as has already been raised numerous times, if DNC doing 0 damage still results in allegedly better overall DPS from BRD+COR+BLU to the point you can kill it allegedly with ease and no need for the WAR then why noone is using it already and

MORE IMPORTANTLY

WHAT IS THE ARGUMENT FOR TAKING THE GOD DAMN SWORD AS IS THE SUBJECT OF THE THREAD?

Yeah, what is your character name?

You need TP to cure, samba and WS to break WS wall. 2-3k dps is also still 2-3k dps not 0. You could take some non ilvl sword with slashing damage to build TP and really make almost 0 damage and maybe still win.

People don't use it, because they go for meta or simplest to pug solutions. DNC having no slashing option and not even being able to build tp with any ilvl weapon wouldn't even be considered as an option for a check of any possible strategies.

I don't believe the 5K DPS of DNC, it has been called out that you claimed BLU DPS would be lower because of curing (which doesn't use TP) but then put DNC at the max possible DPS ignoring time and TP used on cures, etc. Sorry but this theorycraft is *** and the maths are skewed as I expected they would be.

Anway your own math proved mathemetically (to the idiots that think this is objective truth because they saw some numbers) that WAR+BLU is higher DPS when you account for the DNC curing. Thanks for your proof that OS2 sword DNC is not the optimal job for Kalunga V25. Let's talk Mboze more.

no idea who that is, never seen that character anywhere or on anything relevant.

nice try anon troll

My guess is that hasn't been done because nobody has approached it the way Simon has been implying. I.e armor break or shell crusher with rayke, DNC-fully supporting so Blu can full dd entire fight and apply mighty guard. Onion sword from his perspective just allows DNC to break up WS wall and nothing more in this setting.

I think the problem here is Simon is using specific strategy and execution, but others are looking at DNC like Warrior DPS replacement instead of as a support job that allows BLU to fill the WAR spot. Everyone wants to discuss how "worth it" Onion Sword is (meh) for DNC where it's merely a very minor component in the overall fight.

Yet you refuse to identify yourself because you are ashamed that you are a nobody and have acheieved nothing and that your life is so worthless that the most thrill you get in life is trying to insult people on the internet anonymously. Ok, I really pity you.

But this makes no sense, if you have a RUN then who is healing? You're not even proposing the same set up as Simon and Thorny and maybe Maletaru (blocked his shitposting ages ago so idk)

it's pretty funny me repeating what you said to me back to you results in you saying


i refer to my previous post, you look incredibly unstable. maybe take a walk

In his setup he very clearly says pld is curing and holding the adds, and run is tanking. DNC is there to backup heal, apply full time samba and box steps, and break up WS wall and contribute minimal DPS. I was able to glean that pages ago and I'm barely following this thread. You're missing pertinent information because you're reading to respond and with intent to disprove his claims, not reading to learn what he's suggesting.

Define high level target? Apex? Also sim exists and is much better for a controlled "test". I tried it on Apex with trusts with right WS gear. WS damage was around 30-60k with spikes to 80 and I did 99k with capped attack, 3000TP (thibron offhand) and Ternary/building flourish.

You are blind and trolling at the same time now.

I posted 4300 for DNC and I have said it would be closer to 5000 with flourishes. Total DPS was 23958 with 4300 from DNC (multiplied by 0.75%, because of 25%DT), then I said DNC would lose like half of his dps because of curing and I have said it would be around 22.5k then. I was being generous to only subtract 26% from BLU DPS if he is curing and total dps would then drop slightly below 20k.
I will ignore any posts in this thread from now, because clearly we won't agree and you will keep dropping a troll bombs on me.

Ok I get it now, they are the other 2 slots (no GEO)

It's worth mentioning but I'm pretty sure Kalunga will overwrite Defense Down from Shell Crusher or Armor break when he uses Blistering Roar, so RUN would need you reapply it with Gaxe and rayke after aura to maintain as high of DPS for other DDs as possible. Sims don't account for things like that in their DPS estimations, so whatever DPS it is showing will obviously be lower at certain points.

Right so clearly show the numbers showing you used 2500 then. Guesstimating numbers isn't mathematical proof though. "saying" 5000 doesn't mean it would be 5000, you guessed that.

So what are you saying the DPS is with 60% Tomahawk and 30% WC? Still higher than 22500 right? Hence thank you for proving my point.

Yeah I would save RD, WC and another RD to reset Rayke cooldown if Roar happens too soon after Armor break application. There is really no other strong use case for WC and RD in this setup. BLU requires 1-2 Diffusion reset, but it should happen naturally if you target Rayke, unless you are somehow super unlucky to get 3 Roars in first 5 minutes of the fight, but then you are in trouble anyway XD

So, has the math people beaten Kalunga with the DNC setup yet?

Why are we bringing DNC to a Kalunga fight? Is it because the math people have demonstrated, in the fight, that they can kill it with 6-7 mins left?

Simonsess, show me a video of you killing it with DNC and I will show you one with WAR-BLU killing it with 2-3x more time left on the clock.

You can't even do a simple math. It's less than 22500.