Onion Sword III Worth It?
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Onion Sword III Worth It?
The weapons have only been out for a couple days and only a few people even post their experiences here. The FFXI community may be small, but the number of players who post their experiences on the forms are infinitely smaller still. I'm sure somebody's beaten kalunga with onion sword by now. Just because they haven't rushed to the forms to tell everybody about it doesn't mean it hasn't happened.
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Shiva.Thorny said: » Godfry said: » And no, I don't think DNC can outperform BLU because, from what I have seen, people haven't even been able to beat Kalunga with Onion sword yet. WAR+BLU win attempts: 3000+ WAR+DNC win attempts: 0, but someone tried it with a WHM and no WAR once I can't imagine why we've seen more people win with BLU.. A Maletaru worthy comment, for sure. BLU-WAR is an established strategy with easy win - as been reported here on FFXI AH many times. If you are arguing that DNC can very well replace BLU you either need to show proof or wait for people to start reporting how much of an easy time they had with Onion DNC. My comment is that BLU-WAR is an easy win. Not risky, no DPS check and BLU can help heal. DNC can very well be feasible (I hope that it is), but that's not my point. inb4 use GEO instead of DNC then.
In no subjob situation with 75% nerf to Geomancy, Box step + Haste Samba beats GEO buffs even during Bolster for COR and BRD and are about as strong for BLU. All this with GEO not contributing to DPS by himself and not being able to cure or anything else meaningful.
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SimonSes said: » inb4 use GEO instead of DNC then. In no subjob situation with 75% nerf to Geomancy, Box step + Haste Samba beats GEO buffs even during Bolster for COR and BRD and are about as strong for BLU. All this with GEO not contributing to DPS by himself and not being able to cure or anything else meaningful. K123 said: » Do you even need to do damage to land box step? You don't, but DNC with Onion would still do meaningful damage (lower than BLU and COR, but still good) and what is more important would break WS wall for COR and BRD both doing Savage Blade.
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Asura.Melliny said: » The FFXI community may be small, but the number of players who post their experiences on the forms are infinitely smaller still. + Just because they haven't rushed to the forms to tell everybody about it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Not speaking about Melliny, just emphasizing a small part of her comment. Most people don’t want to be involved here, people get jump on all the time, no time to even answer, the same few ppl that have nothing to do but being abrasive, posting mostly disingenuous comments hoarding the forum and so forth. Look at this thread, started at 6:30am page 2 and they posted like 5 pages in 6 hours… nothing like, "yeah let’s try FBII with dnc” or “tried that and here’s what happened”, I don’t have the words or English expression to image it. And yes, I would love to hear about SBII kalunga point of view in a constructive manner (no I choose the shield, doesn’t regret it, also doesn’t mean im not interested)
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I have a question. Onion Sword III is slashing, but does DNC get another slashing option for their offhand? I imagine they would just deal 0s (and gain no TP) for offhand swings vs a Kalunga V25 if they use Cento unless it is during Tomahawk use. Demersal Degen +1 is also piercing on melee swings? I don't think it actually matters, since DNC gets fantastic job abilities to compensate for it (making TP appear out of thin air), but I was curious.
(don't jump all over me for asking this, I am genuinely curious)
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degen and all rapier types are piercing.
As far as ilvl stuff goes i think onion sword is the only slash type sword DNC has access to Quote: Every sword dnc can wear, except onion, are pierce Lol, forget I even posted this. I stand corrected. Every sword dnc can wear, except onion, are pierce (that aren't level 20)
The appeal of the onion sword afterall. There's a low level slashing dagger and some low level swords you could offhand, but they'd be all but useless (I guess as long as they deal 1 damage to generate tp they would work as offhands...) I can confirm a https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Tuck is a slashing sword dnc can wear. level 23 though like I said lol And https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Chiroptera_Dagger is confirmed slashing dagger Lakshmi.Buukki said: » I have a question. Onion Sword III is slashing, but does DNC get another slashing option for their offhand? I imagine they would just deal 0s (and gain no TP) for offhand swings vs a Kalunga V25 if they use Cento unless it is during Tomahawk use. Demersal Degen +1 is also piercing on melee swings? I don't think it actually matters, since DNC gets fantastic job abilities to compensate for it (making TP appear out of thin air), but I was curious. (don't jump all over me for asking this, I am genuinely curious) This is actually a valid question and it would indeed lower DNC dps (like I have said DNC personal dps is not a main point here though). Best solution is not to use offhand at all. Single wield with Haste Samba is faster TP gain anyway, but your WSs will be weaker without sub.
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SimonSes said: » Best solution is not to use offhand at all. Single wield with Haste Samba is faster TP gain anyway, but your WSs will be weaker without sub. This is what I was getting at. I heard from someone maybe they had secretly made Jambiyas like Acrontica Slashing since it is the Jambiya style, but this is not true. I still don't think it matters in the grand scheme but I had this conversation with someone before about DNC at Kalunga and it came up, so I wanted to make sure I clarified that piece. Guess you'll just have to win bonanza two more times on the same character to DW slashing weapons on DNC :DDD Can't have 2 rare items with the same name, even if they're different IDs. Think you have to go all the way to lv1, though colichemarde is a unique enough model *maybe* it counts as slashing?
Oh that sucks. They should have named it "+1 ".
Yeah, the reforged versions just have higher stats. It's like the prime weapons. Still keeps the same actual name the whole way through. But let's be honest. Even if they did have different names, nobody's going to win the rank 1 bonanza prize twice more for that scenario to ever be relevant anyway.
Not just win two more times, but use both victories to have a slightly better damage output in 1 fight instead of getting an air knife to offhand or something for another job
I'm pretty sure there is a paper argument for DNC single-wielding Onion Sword being better than BLU with Tizona Thibron and all the useful BLU spells.
It's like what I said, all Bonanza weapon are toys. The arguments around their usefulness are FFXI AH getting high on copium. Godfry said: » I'm pretty sure there is a paper argument for DNC single-wielding Onion Sword being better than BLU with Tizona Thibron and all the useful BLU spells. It's like what I said, all Bonanza weapon are toys. The arguments around their usefulness are FFXI AH getting high on copium. DNC could do 0 damage and BRD COR and BLU with box step and haste Samba would still do enough dps to overall beat WAR BLU COR and BRD without box step and haste samba.
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SimonSes said: » DNC could do 0 damage and BRD COR and BLU with box step and haste Samba would still do enough dps to overall beat WAR BLU COR and BRD without box step and haste samba. lol... If this is still regarding Kalunga,that fight isn't even about the DPS check. BLUs Mighty Guard and Geo's Barrier is what made the fight 10x easier than other set ups.
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SimonSes said: » DNC could do 0 damage and BRD COR and BLU with box step and haste Samba would still do enough dps to overall beat WAR BLU COR and BRD without box step and haste samba. SimonSes, show me images of the Founding Fathers.  Speculating I could see DNC using main hand dagger and offhand the sword for TP to do samba and box step potentially adding more damage than the GEO adds (keeping warm and blu in) but that both ignores the defensive support from GEO and the need for this weapon since you could just offhand that low level slashing damage dagger anyway.
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Why would you use dagger in main hand when you can use Onion Sword and do damage? You don't need dagger at all, just single wield Onion.
Taint said: » If this is still regarding Kalunga,that fight isn't even about the DPS check. BLUs Mighty Guard and Geo's Barrier is what made the fight 10x easier than other set ups. In what setup though? With PLD holding adds and Run tanking Kalunga and PLD, BLU and DNC having access to single and aoe cures, I can't see how survivability would be a problem at all. Higher accuracy to land steps
Hitting 0 does not feed tp K123 said: » Higher accuracy to land steps Hitting 0 does not feed tp Your accuracy with standard buffs and Onion is like 300-400 above the required cap for capped hit rate. If you are concerned about feeding TP it would be better to offhand gleti and main hand Onion and feed 0 tp with gelti and hit with Onion with 65% subtle blow. SimonSes said: » Why would you use dagger in main hand when you can use Onion Sword and do damage? You don't need dagger at all, just single wield Onion. Taint said: » If this is still regarding Kalunga,that fight isn't even about the DPS check. BLUs Mighty Guard and Geo's Barrier is what made the fight 10x easier than other set ups. In what setup though? With PLD holding adds and Run tanking Kalunga and PLD, BLU and DNC having access to single and aoe cures, I can't see how survivability would be a problem at all. Have you beaten Kalunga V25 with your DNC setup? (Have you beaten Kalunga V25 at all?). Honest question. SimonSes said: » Your accuracy with standard buffs and Onion is like 300-400 above the required cap for capped hit rate. SimonSes said: » If you are concerned about feeding TP it would be better to offhand gleti and main hand Onion and feed 0 tp with gelti and hit with Onion with 65% subtle blow. Quote: Have you beaten Kalunga V25 with your DNC setup? (Have you beaten Kalunga V25 at all?). Honest question. Quote: The only hard locked jobs for Kalunga are BRD, COR and PLD and nothing else. We did it easily with BRD COR PLD DRK RUN BLU and we had plenty of time left. He already mentioned he cleared Kalunga with an off meta comp. |
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