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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2025-05-16 12:46:20
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SimonSes said: »
Wizard's Rod: Worse than Bunzi, but if reforged, it might maybe compete with it.

Is it worse? Compared to Bunzi r30:

Wizard's Rod: INT+30 Macc+40 MAB+40 MDmg+263 Macc Skill +269
Bunzi's R30: INT+15 Macc+55 MAB+65 Mdmg+248 Macc Skill+255 MB dmg+10 Enm-5

That's basically the same Macc after accounting for skill. MB Dmg doesn't seem very important since it's not particularly hard to cap elsewhere (maybe can squeeze some gains out with different swaps, but probably not a massive deal?)

So it comes down to trading MAB+25 for a bunch of extras on Wizard's Rod:
- INT+15 is pretty nice since dINT is more meaningful these days
- 15more MDmg
- 10% proc rate on no MP consumed for elemental magic (assuming reports in this topic are accurate)
- And the kind of mysterious MB dmg based on SC length thing. How does that work? More MB damage on multi-step SCs? I saw someone talking about extra MB damage depending on which part of the SC window you hit during. Guess this needs some testing.

And then you also have to consider, most people are never getting Mboze v25 win to even GET the R30 augs, so Wizard's becomes even more appealing.

I'd really like to hear more about that MB damage/SC length thing. Strongly considering this one for my alt that has all of BLM RDM SCH GEO - along with WHM BRD (w/ all REMA) SMN COR.

I can see the argument that it's closer to a sidegrade to Bunzi r25+, so maybe worth getting something a bit more unique with this prize. But IDK, it's a pretty nice little nuke stick especially for people not making Prime staff/Laev, depending on how easy it is for you to get your hands on Bunzi with high level augs.
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By Lili 2025-05-16 12:46:52
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If you have melee whm gear sure, why not pick Onion Sword III for it.

Because WHM has no native Sword skill so you'll whiff everything and their dog.
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By Shiva.Thorny 2025-05-16 12:51:24
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Lili said: »
Because WHM has no native Sword skill so you'll whiff everything and their dog.

DRG has 300 club skill and they manage ok with kraken. 269 on the weapon isn't nothing. Not sure if it beats club for WHM, but it probably has a stray use or two.
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By Godfry 2025-05-16 12:51:41
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Dodik said: »
If you have melee whm gear sure, why not pick Onion Sword III for it.

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By Odin.Demhar 2025-05-16 12:56:41
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Just for SC option on any job and breaking WS walls its a good option
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2025-05-16 13:01:57
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Regarding Shield for RDMs.

You are also gaining an extra 15 seconds on saboteur
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By SimonSes 2025-05-16 13:02:13
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Godfry said: »
SimonSes said: »
If by fun you mean overall damage then not really. Naegling is way ahead, but I expect screenshots of 99999 fast blade II very soon from people getting 2x multi attack proc.

Wouldn't war with 100% DA always proc it?


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Does the shield extend 2h duration?

Just JA, and applies to you only.

WAR is for sure one of the better jobs to use it on, but checking in sim on war/dnc with Ikenga R30 offhand, Naegling still has like 16% advantage and thats assuming much higher attack on Naegling is not being used (both weapons are attack capped in other words). Single wielding with Fencer Naegling will be much more ahead, because offhand hits on Fast Blade II are even higher damage, than main hits (assuming Ikenga axe), while Savage Blade doesn't care for offhand damage at all.
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By SimonSes 2025-05-16 13:03:09
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Odin.Demhar said: »
Just for SC option on any job and breaking WS walls its a good option

We might go from "almost none has access to Fast Blade II" to "I am being walled on Fast Blade II with 3 people spamming it" in one day :D
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By Hovann 2025-05-16 13:06:16
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It took them three extra years but we finally got the 20th Anniversary gift worthy of the occasion.
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By Sylph.Timepassesbye 2025-05-16 13:06:24
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Phoenix.Capuchin said: »
SimonSes said: »
Wizard's Rod: Worse than Bunzi, but if reforged, it might maybe compete with it.

Is it worse? Compared to Bunzi r30:

Wizard's Rod: INT+30 Macc+40 MAB+40 MDmg+263 Macc Skill +269
Bunzi's R30: INT+15 Macc+55 MAB+65 Mdmg+248 Macc Skill+255 MB dmg+10 Enm-5

That's basically the same Macc after accounting for skill. MB Dmg doesn't seem very important since it's not particularly hard to cap elsewhere (maybe can squeeze some gains out with different swaps, but probably not a massive deal?)

So it comes down to trading MAB+25 for a bunch of extras on Wizard's Rod:
- INT+15 is pretty nice since dINT is more meaningful these days
- 15more MDmg
- 10% proc rate on no MP consumed for elemental magic (assuming reports in this topic are accurate)
- And the kind of mysterious MB dmg based on SC length thing. How does that work? More MB damage on multi-step SCs? I saw someone talking about extra MB damage depending on which part of the SC window you hit during. Guess this needs some testing.

And then you also have to consider, most people are never getting Mboze v25 win to even GET the R30 augs, so Wizard's becomes even more appealing.

I'd really like to hear more about that MB damage/SC length thing. Strongly considering this one for my alt that has all of BLM RDM SCH GEO - along with WHM BRD (w/ all REMA) SMN COR.

I can see the argument that it's closer to a sidegrade to Bunzi r25+, so maybe worth getting something a bit more unique with this prize. But IDK, it's a pretty nice little nuke stick especially for people not making Prime staff/Laev, depending on how easy it is for you to get your hands on Bunzi with high level augs.

I was wondering that myself and am strongly considering this because it seems to have some real potential. the description says that the earlier you hit in the window, the better the bonus is, but with no numbers on what that actually is. So, think o-sash, but timing rather than distance. The part that I'm not sure about, and where my concern lies, is if this is just a variable amount of magic burst damage. Because if that's the case, then the only real benefit is the mp conservation and the 15 int vs bunzi. if it6's considered MB II, that's a completely different store and 100% worth it, but since we lack that information . . .
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By SimonSes 2025-05-16 13:08:26
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Phoenix.Capuchin said: »
SimonSes said: »
Wizard's Rod: Worse than Bunzi, but if reforged, it might maybe compete with it.

Is it worse? Compared to Bunzi r30:

Wizard's Rod: INT+30 Macc+40 MAB+40 MDmg+263 Macc Skill +269
Bunzi's R30: INT+15 Macc+55 MAB+65 Mdmg+248 Macc Skill+255 MB dmg+10 Enm-5

That's basically the same Macc after accounting for skill. MB Dmg doesn't seem very important since it's not particularly hard to cap elsewhere (maybe can squeeze some gains out with different swaps, but probably not a massive deal?)

So it comes down to trading MAB+25 for a bunch of extras on Wizard's Rod:
- INT+15 is pretty nice since dINT is more meaningful these days
- 15more MDmg
- 10% proc rate on no MP consumed for elemental magic (assuming reports in this topic are accurate)
- And the kind of mysterious MB dmg based on SC length thing. How does that work? More MB damage on multi-step SCs? I saw someone talking about extra MB damage depending on which part of the SC window you hit during. Guess this needs some testing.

And then you also have to consider, most people are never getting Mboze v25 win to even GET the R30 augs, so Wizard's becomes even more appealing.

I'd really like to hear more about that MB damage/SC length thing. Strongly considering this one for my alt that has all of BLM RDM SCH GEO - along with WHM BRD (w/ all REMA) SMN COR.

I can see the argument that it's closer to a sidegrade to Bunzi r25+, so maybe worth getting something a bit more unique with this prize. But IDK, it's a pretty nice little nuke stick especially for people not making Prime staff/Laev, depending on how easy it is for you to get your hands on Bunzi with high level augs.

I mean my statement suggests that adding +10 int and +5mab to rod makes it possibly better than Bunzi, so without those it's very close too. I would say it's a big upgrade for dual wield on sch and blm (solo and low man stuff). I probably wouldn't take it for single wielding if you have access to R30 Bunzi.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-05-16 13:08:43
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Needs more methodical testing

The boost per second seemed pretty small, a couple MAB or 1% MBBII
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By Ragnarok.Vargasfinio 2025-05-16 13:11:32
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Hovann said: »
It took them three extra years but we finally got the 20th Anniversary gift worthy of the occasion.

I would assume that the amount of ruckus / engagement (both in and out of game / player logins / etc that this has caused that we will see more stuff like this in the relatively near future.

It costs them nothing and they have everything to gain.

In other news, screw it - I'm getting Dragon Fangs. Flametongue / Ice Brand for my BLU were in very close contention but in content I actually play BLU in they won't be of any use. Dragon Fangs at least will get some use when I'm soloing certain content (segment farming, etc) seeing how my Varga Purnikawa won't be rank 4 for another 10 years...
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By Shiva.Thorny 2025-05-16 13:14:19
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SimonSes said: »
I probably wouldn't take it for single wielding if you have access to R30 Bunzi.

Is there testing on the magic burst damage stat? If it's a straight multiplier, wouldn't take very much for it to completely outdo bunzi.
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By Asura.Melliny 2025-05-16 13:15:36
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Fast blade II is like a monk weaponskill on a sword. It replicates fTP across all hits, but it has slightly lower stat mods to account for it. It can spike quite high with multi hit procs, but it's average damage is mathed out to be lower than naegling/savage spam. It's hurt by the fact that weaponskill damage only affects the first hit. Nyame and WSD accessories really pushed the meta into single hit weaponskill dominance, which is why everyone is so spam happy with savage blade, judgment, rudra's, ruthless, yadda yadda. The other thing is that naegling gives you that 1% attack for every buff you get, and there are usually a dozen and a half of them. But onion sword III will still hit 99k quite often, and the added skillchain properties can offset the deficit easily enough. It's very strong.

I anticipate seeing a lot more swords in the coming future lol
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By Asura.Hya 2025-05-16 13:19:14
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Ragnarok.Twinsevens said: »
I'm going to assume here that you can't just swap in Drastic Axe to pop Berserk and get the negated defense hit advantage, and go back to another gaxe. But if anyone knows otherwise, give us a shout!

Just tested, the defense penalty returns when removing Drastic Axe.
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By SimonSes 2025-05-16 13:20:34
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Shiva.Thorny said: »
SimonSes said: »
I probably wouldn't take it for single wielding if you have access to R30 Bunzi.

Is there testing on the magic burst damage stat? If it's a straight multiplier, wouldn't take very much for it to completely outdo bunzi.

I mean sure, but usually when you go with MB strategy, those MB are doing 99k damage and in the fight where damage is lower, like Ongo V25, people usually want to use staff for Myrkr.

Slib's test suggest even like 20% increase in MB damage, but no details on Magic burst stats in his magic burst set in that test, so no idea if the effect is multiplier or goes under MBI or MBII.
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By Godfry 2025-05-16 13:20:44
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Asura.Melliny said: »
Fast blade II is like a monk weaponskill on a sword. It replicates fTP across all hits, but it has slightly lower stat mods to account for it. It can spike quite high with multi hit procs, but it's average damage is mathed out to be lower than naegling/savage spam. It's hurt by the fact that weaponskill damage only affects the first hit. Nyame and WSD accessories really pushed the meta into single hit weaponskill dominance, which is why everyone is so spam happy with savage blade, judgment, rudra's, ruthless, yadda yadda. The other thing is that naegling gives you that 1% attack for every buff you get, and there are usually a dozen and a half of them. But onion sword III will still hit 99k quite often, and the added skillchain properties can offset the deficit easily enough. It's very strong.

I anticipate seeing a lot more swords in the coming future lol

I wonder if it will outdamage Excalibur on PLD aminon!!
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By RadialArcana 2025-05-16 13:23:10
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By SimonSes 2025-05-16 13:31:31
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Well Im getting Onion Sword III for sure.

I will quote myself from Discord yesterday, before this surprise.

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If I win rank 1 once I would take Onion Sword for sure.
If I win twice, I have no idea what would I do then. Upgrade Onion or get something else.
If I win twice at once, I have no idea too.

Luckily it's the last time I was thinking about it, because it will never happen

The last sentence hasn't aged well lol
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By Taint 2025-05-16 13:50:10
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Godfry said: »

I wonder if it will outdamage Excalibur on PLD aminon!!

Pretty confident it will. My Savage's on PLD on NQ Aminon hit 60k range (2-3k TP) while Excal is right around 38k average. I was thinking about making Prime sword just for this but Onion fills that void nicely.

Do a burst opener with Onion then swap to Excal.

Fast2 > Wing > Fast2 > Volte > Fast2 > Prish > Fast2 > Swap to Excal > Tincture > KoR spam

Swapping weapons on Aminon isn't ideal but the Tinc makes up the start from 0 after the swap.
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By Phoenix.Jukor 2025-05-16 13:50:37
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Fenrir.Skarwind said: »
Regarding Shield for RDMs.

You are also gaining an extra 15 seconds on saboteur

Well that might've just sold the shield to this career RDM...
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By Asura.Iamaman 2025-05-16 13:54:10
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Wonder how many people are resubscribing today just to get their gear out of a wardrobe and test the new toys
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By Chyula 2025-05-16 13:58:14
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Hot! now ninja can continue more soloing stuff with Trust getting shadows?.
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By Dodik 2025-05-16 14:00:53
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Asura.Iamaman said: »
Wonder how many people are resubscribing today just to get their gear out of a wardrobe and test the new toys

Less than or more than the number of people that logged in during free play just to get a voucher then immediately logged out.
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By K123 2025-05-16 14:15:20
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Chyula said: »
Hot! now ninja can continue more soloing stuff with Trust getting shadows?.
Like what though? I think I'm going to wait to see what the limbus content is like before choosing tbh
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By Carbuncle.Slib 2025-05-16 14:16:18
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SimonSes said: »
Shiva.Thorny said: »
SimonSes said: »
I probably wouldn't take it for single wielding if you have access to R30 Bunzi.

Is there testing on the magic burst damage stat? If it's a straight multiplier, wouldn't take very much for it to completely outdo bunzi.

I mean sure, but usually when you go with MB strategy, those MB are doing 99k damage and in the fight where damage is lower, like Ongo V25, people usually want to use staff for Myrkr.

Slib's test suggest even like 20% increase in MB damage, but no details on Magic burst stats in his magic burst set in that test, so no idea if the effect is multiplier or goes under MBI or MBII.

Pasting what I sent in a message to someone who asked... This is a more detailed explanation.

Aero 1 IMMEDIATELY upon SC opening: 33600
Aero 1 @ 5 seconds left on skillchain: 38231
Aero 1 @ 1-2 seconds left on skillchain: 34803

Multiple times it was this hump of damage, no weather bonuses. So I've concluded that the start of the window is 0% damage bonus, middle of window is 10%, end of window is 0%. Thus you get more damage casting in the middle of the skillchain window.

That said, here was my gear set...

main="Wizard's Rod",
sub="Bunzi's Rod",
ammo="Ghastly Tathlum +1",
head="Wicce Petasos +3",
body="Spaekona's Coat +3",
hands="Wicce Gloves +3",
legs="Wicce Chausses +3",
feet="Wicce Sabots +3",
neck="Sorcerer's Stole +2",
waist="Acuity belt +1",
left_ear="Regal Earring",
right_ear="Wicce Earring +2",
left_ring="Freke Ring",
right_ring="Metamorph Ring +1",
back=cape.magic_int,

Back gives 5 MB, bunzi rod 10 MB, Wicce Legs 15 MB, BLM Neck 10 MB, for a total of 40 MB cap in gear. So this damage is either separate of the MB 1 and MB 2, but is definitely not MB 1.
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By Asura.Murdokk 2025-05-16 14:17:26
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-05-16 14:28:45
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By SimonSes 2025-05-16 14:42:35
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Guess I will be the first one :P



DNC/DRG with Trusts buffs/debuffs, but with a lot of def down (almost -70%), so not sure if I was attack capped or not. Forced triple attack with Ternary, 3000TP with Centovente, Building flourish.
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