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Which weapon should I get i'm too stupid to pick!
 Bahamut.Academic
Server: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 89
By Bahamut.Academic 2025-05-16 09:59:00
Fast Blade II is good, but not the best. It can spike really high with multi attacks, but on avg it wont beat native options or naegling. It's mostly a slashing option for DNC and also for other jobs, but it's not like MNK will be able to suddenly do high slashing damage, but you can maybe do 50% of what you can do with h2h (assuming enough buffs to cap accuracy).
Still, maybe workable for segments farming? So maybe I will not be stuck as an eternal healer. You'll always be our healer, wherever you like it or not.
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By Bahamut.Greyfawkz 2025-05-16 10:09:32
Looks like Minuet V + IV is about +424 attack with Ghorn (max potency) and they are +400 attack with miracle cheer. So...+24 attack difference vs 3ish minutes of duration (with Carn). Not that huge of a loss for 98% of the games' content. Thats why I said if a bard is contributing to DPS (which they should whenever possible), theres likely a net gain to group DPS if the bard is spending less time casting songs.
What other item will a bard main pick from the list thats leaps and bounds better than having miracle cheer in their back pocket for the niche situation?
15min ballads is enough for me to choose the horn lol
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By SimonSes 2025-05-16 10:09:51
Fast Blade II is good, but not the best. It can spike really high with multi attacks, but on avg it wont beat native options or naegling. It's mostly a slashing option for DNC and also for other jobs, but it's not like MNK will be able to suddenly do high slashing damage, but you can maybe do 50% of what you can do with h2h (assuming enough buffs to cap accuracy).
Still, maybe workable for segments farming? So maybe I will not be stuck as an eternal healer. You'll always be our healer, wherever you like it or not.
MNK/DNC with Onion/Kraken can be a healer too.. just saying.. :P
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Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 209
By Asura.Sensarity 2025-05-16 10:13:49
Pick flametongue, it's BiS for Ullr PLD.
By Godfry 2025-05-16 10:21:09
Pick flametongue, it's BiS for Ullr PLD.
Goddamn it... why did you come up with this idea? I was already settled on shield for my PLD.
Now I can actually damage while kiting F and H...
What to do, what to do...
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 Bahamut.Galakar
Server: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 197
By Bahamut.Galakar 2025-05-16 10:23:34
Fast Blade II is good, but not the best. It can spike really high with multi attacks, but on avg it wont beat native options or naegling. It's mostly a slashing option for DNC and also for other jobs, but it's not like MNK will be able to suddenly do high slashing damage, but you can maybe do 50% of what you can do with h2h (assuming enough buffs to cap accuracy).
Still, maybe workable for segments farming? So maybe I will not be stuck as an eternal healer. You'll always be our healer, wherever you like it or not.
MNK/DNC with Onion/Kraken can be a healer too.. just saying.. :P
Now I want to try it. Just need to pick Onion and get a Kraken Club. Easy peasy lemon squeezy!
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 Ragnarok.Siyual
Server: Ragnarok
Game: FFXI
Posts: 55
By Ragnarok.Siyual 2025-05-16 10:24:41
Apparently the Reraise 5 staff only lasts for 1 hour. I don't know why I was expecting longer duration.
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 Carbuncle.Arakon
Server: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
Posts: 146
By Carbuncle.Arakon 2025-05-16 10:27:01
Does the Onion Sword III grants Fast Blade II when equipped offhand?
Am tempted to get it for Fusion on BLU but already have Tizona so want to see if it works offhand.
By Aylee515 2025-05-16 10:39:06
Heard katana does but not verified…. That burning sword with +30 str and 30% str boost looks nice in off hand if it works
By K123 2025-05-16 10:39:06
DOES DAGGER STACK WITH 18% RING?!
By Aylee515 2025-05-16 10:39:44
No, no movement speed stacks
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Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2025-05-16 10:40:42
There's going to have to be a comprehensive list / statement of what does and doesn't work offhand, instead of two hundred people asking the same thing over and over.
They will ANYWAY, because no one reads, but the point still stands.
By thatoneguy05 2025-05-16 10:44:11
Yes, the Yagyu Darkblade does work offhand
By K123 2025-05-16 10:45:29
No, no movement speed stacks Normally, but this is SE that make spaghetti code errors all the time.
DNC/WAR with Onion Sword would get Savage Blade? lol
By Bosworth 2025-05-16 10:46:45
What effect does Flametongue have on rdm enspell damage?
By Godfry 2025-05-16 10:47:10
Don't come to Asura if you are unwilling...
Bahamut.Scratch
Server: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 4
By Bahamut.Scratch 2025-05-16 10:49:11
Does it work in offhand?
Asura.Saevel
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 10164
By Asura.Saevel 2025-05-16 10:56:44
What effect does Flametongue have on rdm enspell damage?
Enspell should block it's effect entirely. The weapon itself is like an Utu grip, adding an additional 10% STR mod to every WS.
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2025-05-16 10:57:40
What effect does Flametongue have on rdm enspell damage? Quote: . The fire damage is consistent on every hit and is always applied, meaning it will always do the same amount against the same mob. Damage ranges between 364-415 fire damage and doesn't seem to be reduced by the targets level. The absorb fire property is a low chance, I'm guessing between 5-10% and will heal you for the same amount of fire damage that would have been afflicted. The 10% STR to weapon skills applies to the main hand if used in the offhand.
By Godfry 2025-05-16 10:58:09
So, we all agreed that shield is the best one and if you don't have shield in Asura you won't get invited, right?
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Asura.Saevel
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 10164
By Asura.Saevel 2025-05-16 10:59:01
Bahamut.Greyfawkz said: »Looks like Minuet V + IV is about +424 attack with Ghorn (max potency) and they are +400 attack with miracle cheer. So...+24 attack difference vs 3ish minutes of duration (with Carn). Not that huge of a loss for 98% of the games' content. Thats why I said if a bard is contributing to DPS (which they should whenever possible), theres likely a net gain to group DPS if the bard is spending less time casting songs.
What other item will a bard main pick from the list thats leaps and bounds better than having miracle cheer in their back pocket for the niche situation?
15min ballads is enough for me to choose the horn lol
For buffs probably not worth it was Bards can already do extended SV to reach 13~15 min worth of super songs. But for debuffs .. wow landing an SV Elegy or other set that are guaranteed to last the entire fight is pretty nice.
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2025-05-16 10:59:09
What effect does Flametongue have on rdm enspell damage?
Enspell should block it's effect entirely. The weapon itself is like an Utu grip, adding an additional 10% STR mod to every WS.
I'm hoping/wondering if it is similar to Excalibur, where the added effect takes priority over Enspells I and II.
Has this been tested with flame tongue?
Also does anyone know what the proc rate is on Wizard's rod?
By Bosworth 2025-05-16 11:01:37
Ah, so why is this weapon good for RDM? The 10% str on weapon skills?
Asura.Saevel
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 10164
By Asura.Saevel 2025-05-16 11:01:54
What effect does Flametongue have on rdm enspell damage?
Enspell should block it's effect entirely. The weapon itself is like an Utu grip, adding an additional 10% STR mod to every WS.
I'm hoping it is similar to Excalibur, where the added effect takes priority over Enspells I and II.
Has this been tested with flame tongue?
Don't think so, maybe some JP somewhere. Now that all our alts and mules have one I suspect someone's gonna test it out. Enspells usually block other effects from taking place but I'd be happy if they didn't. Personally I'm likely to get the Onion Sword III, Fast Blade II is just really nice. TP Bonus off hand lets you do silly things linking SC's.
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2025-05-16 11:03:06
Ah, so why is this weapon good for RDM? The 10% str on weapon skills?
Not good for rdm, not in any specific way, anyway. When crocea exists. Or that oh so lovely Naegling.
Not really good in general, (*)Ullr-PLD
By SimonSes 2025-05-16 11:03:20
Bahamut.Greyfawkz said: »Looks like Minuet V + IV is about +424 attack with Ghorn (max potency) and they are +400 attack with miracle cheer. So...+24 attack difference vs 3ish minutes of duration (with Carn). Not that huge of a loss for 98% of the games' content. Thats why I said if a bard is contributing to DPS (which they should whenever possible), theres likely a net gain to group DPS if the bard is spending less time casting songs.
What other item will a bard main pick from the list thats leaps and bounds better than having miracle cheer in their back pocket for the niche situation?
15min ballads is enough for me to choose the horn lol
For buffs probably not worth it was Bards can already do extended SV to reach 13~15 min worth of super songs. But for debuffs .. wow landing an SV Elegy or other set that are guaranteed to last the entire fight is pretty nice. You want to apply elegy to your party members? I always thought you are a shady person.
Asura.Koruma
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 17
By Asura.Koruma 2025-05-16 11:04:02
Bahamut.Greyfawkz said: »Looks like Minuet V + IV is about +424 attack with Ghorn (max potency) and they are +400 attack with miracle cheer. So...+24 attack difference vs 3ish minutes of duration (with Carn). Not that huge of a loss for 98% of the games' content. Thats why I said if a bard is contributing to DPS (which they should whenever possible), theres likely a net gain to group DPS if the bard is spending less time casting songs.
What other item will a bard main pick from the list thats leaps and bounds better than having miracle cheer in their back pocket for the niche situation?
15min ballads is enough for me to choose the horn lol
For buffs probably not worth it was Bards can already do extended SV to reach 13~15 min worth of super songs. But for debuffs .. wow landing an SV Elegy or other set that are guaranteed to last the entire fight is pretty nice.
Unfortunately the Bonanza horn only sets party buff durations and the debuffs are unaffected. I would consider it a much better horn if it did do debuffs.
 Carbuncle.Nynja
Server: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-05-16 11:04:59
Quote: What other item will a bard main pick from the list thats leaps and bounds better than having miracle cheer in their back pocket for the niche situation? ???
By Dodik 2025-05-16 11:12:36
less warcry for party, more warcry for me = more DPS in segfarm!
You realise of course that changing shields will lose you TP.
Or are you planning on WS-ing with that shield and dropping blurred shield +1.
Asura.Saevel
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 10164
By Asura.Saevel 2025-05-16 11:14:10
Bahamut.Greyfawkz said: »Looks like Minuet V + IV is about +424 attack with Ghorn (max potency) and they are +400 attack with miracle cheer. So...+24 attack difference vs 3ish minutes of duration (with Carn). Not that huge of a loss for 98% of the games' content. Thats why I said if a bard is contributing to DPS (which they should whenever possible), theres likely a net gain to group DPS if the bard is spending less time casting songs.
What other item will a bard main pick from the list thats leaps and bounds better than having miracle cheer in their back pocket for the niche situation?
15min ballads is enough for me to choose the horn lol
For buffs probably not worth it was Bards can already do extended SV to reach 13~15 min worth of super songs. But for debuffs .. wow landing an SV Elegy or other set that are guaranteed to last the entire fight is pretty nice.
Unfortunately the Bonanza horn only sets party buff durations and the debuffs are unaffected. I would consider it a much better horn if it did do debuffs.
If that's true then it's only really useful for song bard alts where someone didn't want to make a Carn.
The thread;
Fight to the death about which free mog bonanza weapon you're picking.
Miracle Cheer and Sage's Staves bout to be EVERYWHERE *(on multiboxes, not mains)
IF you get a Miracle Cheer and use Singer, you need to alter the file to add it @ line 253
local extra_song_harp = {
[22249] = 3, -- Miracle Cheer}
Also alter line 109
This line is going to be different based on the gear you have, but around 260.
local dur = 260
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