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Which weapon should I get i'm too stupid to pick!
By Nsane 2025-05-28 13:57:15
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For Onion Sword he doesn't seem to take into account the WS wall meta. This is a very good option for RDM/DNC/COR/RNG when weapon skill wall is a thing which is a lot of the newer content.
For the Rod, he clearly doesn't understand the timing behind it, best damage is when the window has open to accept the next weapon skill that would create a skill chain, not the burst window. Aka this would be your second nuke most the time, unless your the closer on SCH which would be your first nuke which would increase the DMG on that nuke as well.
My suggestion is get the weapon you will be using the most or that is for your favorite job, otherwise its just gonna sit somewhere in your inventory being completely unutilized.
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By Asura.Vyre 2025-05-28 14:25:57
S - Diamond Aspis (only one that gets consistant use and value if you're already BIS)
A - Miracle Cheer, Yagyu Darkblade, Onion Sword, Wizard's Rod (cheer and rod are minor upgrades at times, darkblade and onion are really neat but rarely actually used)
B - Air Knife, Flametongue, Ice Brand (both situational and boring)
Rest aren't worth tiering. Nobody's winning 9x ever. Can see bumping miracle cheer above the others like he did if you don't already have a geared brd because it does a lot of things.
Diamond Aspis is overrated imo. Using it mid fight kills your TP, and any Aftermath effect you had going, as shield swaps count as weapon swaps.
The enhanced skillchain window sounds like fun, but the amount of people I've played with who won't coordinate skillchains at all, "because it's too much work." OR they just don't care = toy for when you're alone or with people who will actually play well with you.
In any content where you're running between stuff a bunch, or where the mobs have full/partial dispels, the enhanced/full time durations possible with it don't matter.
Doesn't have REMA block rates or damage reduction.
Which kinda just leaves its practical use for BST or idk, RDM in Sheol Gaol. It's not really all that great.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-05-28 14:47:04
and any Aftermath effect you had going This part is irrelevant
WAR is likely using Naegling/Blurred, so theres no AM to deal with, unless they're maining Farsha for some reason.
WHM DPS LOL
RDM maybe its a potential hurdle, but theres more to be gained from longer Saboteur.
THF only gets extended Conspirator, so its not really worth it to begin with.
PLD shouldnt really be too concerned with AM except for maybe one scenario where theyre using Excalibur. They can also work around it, or not swap to the shield in that scenario.
BST can fulltime shield. If theyre using a TP Scaling WS (which will likely be one of their magic WS's), they may gain more with Fencer's bonus vs dual wielding considering Aspis comes with a healthy chunk of MAB.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-05-28 15:19:06
I personally thought Diamond Aspis was being overrated a bit from the JA enhancement perspective. I think it's a great shield, but I'm more fascinated with the SC window than the buff enhancement, personally. Also, the stats are just good for BST when single wielding, since it gets terrible sub slot MAB options (Evalach +1).
Just looking at it from a use perspective from the buff side:
RDM - 15 more seconds on Sabo. Do people honestly run into issues with Sabo wearing off while still going through a debuff cycle? I'm curious, 1min is usually enough to get your most important debuffs on, unless for some reason it requires several Immunobreaks. I don't see this as anything major. More is better, so a chance at ~4 extra casts? I suppose.
WAR - Best use case is longer Warcry and Berserk/Aggressor. That does require swapping out of Blurred, but for an extra 15 seconds on Warcry (you will probably fire off an extra 2 powered up, so dps loss is more than compensated for), worth it imo.
PLD - for sure useful with longer Sentinel/Rampart/Majesty/Fealty. Worth it.
BST - Full time Killer Instinct is cool, but um... Hmmm... Where is that applicable? If for Gaol, that's a great bonus and the most practical spot to use it, since there's going to be one main monster you're focused on, so you get the entire effect. The thing I have with Gaol is you do have to use the relevant pet to gain the effect vs whatever you're fighting. This is fine prebuffing then swapping to Leech or something else (in the case of Gaol. The problem is BST isn't normally brought to DPS in Gaol, it's usually brought to Leech TP suck and KI the rest of the party. Nobody else gets the longer duration from the shield. In my own personal case, I would absolutely DD on BST, especially in a Kalunga fight, it would be a great bonus fulltime. For something like Mboze, you run into a risk dismissing your Leech, calling a bug, popping KI, and then calling a Leech back to resume sucking. The fight ends if you miss a drain, so is the extra minute on KI and your subsequent DPS as BST worth that potential loss?
If you're virtually anywhere else besides Apex/Locus exemplar point farming, you get basically no use out of the "full-time" aspect. In Segs, the monster types change to frequently to benefit from the enhanced duration. The only monsters you have a bonus vs in Sortie is Amorphs, for example. You have no KI bonus in Dynamis. I'm struggling to find many places KI's extended duration is that massive of a boost, but I could be wrong.
You do get longer Haste Sambas as /DNC, which are obnoxious to re-apply, so that's a plus.
THF - not really
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By Quetzalcoatl.Jakey 2025-05-28 15:58:21
Do you know if the author of that video is on FFXIAH? I wonder if he would be interested in doing a Shield/Block Rate video.
Is there like a specific question about how shield works? I was thinking about making a video going into all the melee defensive procs so like parry/evade/block/counter/guard/shadows at one point but I am working more than full time atm so its hard to make a lot of videos.
By Nariont 2025-05-28 16:21:20
Think they just want to be certain its not a special size shield. Im assuming its just basic size 2 in terms of rate/dt
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By Shiva.Seraphione 2025-05-29 03:58:02
Think they just want to be certain its not a special size shield. Im assuming its just basic size 2 in terms of rate/dt That’s my assumption as well. Currently, my shield skill is too far below even the F-grade skill cap for RDM to give any meaningful indication, but I do not think this shield will change the fact that RDM’s block rate stays floored for any relevant fights.
The extended SC window and JA duration have been very helpful for solo fights, though. Very happy that I’ve got the shield.
By SimonSes 2025-05-29 04:42:27
I'm surprised no one is breaking this tier list apart...
Copy pasted from my yt comment:
Quote: I mostly agree, but Icebrand is definitely B for me. It's best nuking sub weapon by far for BLU. Onion is A for me. It has very good skillchain options for several jobs and great slashing value for DNC. Its also great to use in WS wall scenario to let someone else use Savage.
Other than those two my list would be probably the same. Just not sure about Wizards rod, because it's probably bis weapon to MB Kaustra. I would put it in B+ ?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Makenshi 2025-05-29 08:06:31
I mostly agree, but Icebrand is definitely B for me. It's best nuking sub weapon by far for BLU. What would be main for Ice Brand to be sub? I'd probably use Ice Brand as main and Bunzi's Rod as sub, for BLU nuking at least.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-05-29 08:23:26
Quetzalcoatl.Makenshi said: »I mostly agree, but Icebrand is definitely B for me. It's best nuking sub weapon by far for BLU. What would be main for Ice Brand to be sub? I'd probably use Ice Brand as main and Bunzi's Rod as sub, for BLU nuking at least.
For nuking, this is a distinction without difference. Whichever WS you want to use goes in the main hand. If you're not meleeing or WSing, it does not matter at all
By Godfry 2025-05-29 08:49:25
Shield gang here. Shield has changed my life entirely.
I pretty much just shield bash things to death now.
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By SimonSes 2025-05-29 08:54:08
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »Quetzalcoatl.Makenshi said: »I mostly agree, but Icebrand is definitely B for me. It's best nuking sub weapon by far for BLU. What would be main for Ice Brand to be sub? I'd probably use Ice Brand as main and Bunzi's Rod as sub, for BLU nuking at least.
For nuking, this is a distinction without difference. Whichever WS you want to use goes in the main hand. If you're not meleeing or WSing, it does not matter at all
This. What I meant is that Ice brand is best weapon to pair with Bunzi's Rod for BLU nuking. Technically you are right, that it's better to have Ice Brand in main hand, because it has slightly more magic accuracy skill.
By Slowforever 2025-05-29 09:01:27
my wifes char is missing mythic on brd, i use her brd a LOT. That said she loves to play war. If I pick instrument will she notice? How Good is shield? Perma berzerk ok... but does it have to stay equiped? Is it really that great in multi box situations? Her war is always near buff cap, so extra berserk seems kinda meh?
By Shichishito 2025-05-29 09:03:16
I don't know about tier lists. I like to hear about thoughts of others but for FFXI I think it's missleading because the value of some of these weapons in particular would jump a lot depending on your playing experience.
Someone who can calculate with superbuffs like a multi boxer or someone with a static group for example will value a yagyu darkblade very differently than a solo NIN would.
It's also heavily dependant on what jobs you play. A BLU main might look up a tier list and finds onion sword III ranked A or S tier because the list was created from a DNC main who's convinced this weapon will buy him into V25 endgame content because slashing option.
On a side note I find this focus of DNC + Onion Sword III while completely ignoring BLU's perspective weird. It also provides something unique for them, a decent(?) Fusion WS, and BLU has A+ sword rank compared to DNC who (checks notes) doesn't have a sword skill at all.
By SimonSes 2025-05-29 09:09:16
It's not only full time berserk, but also almost full time aggressor and 1m15sec more uptime on Restraint, 15sec on warcry and 16 on bloodrage. It also lets you merit DA rate and warcry recast and still have a big buffer for 100% berserk uptime.
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By SimonSes 2025-05-29 09:11:42
On a side note I find this focus of DNC + Onion Sword III while completely ignoring BLU's perspective weird. It also provides something unique for them, a decent(?) Fusion WS, and BLU has A+ sword rank compared to DNC who (checks notes) doesn't have a sword skill at all.
First of all, value of Onion Sword III for BLU has been brought up many times in this thread. At least several times by me alone. Second of all DNC obviously have sword skill, your notes are wrong.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-05-29 09:12:21
my wifes char is missing mythic on brd, i use her brd a LOT. That said she loves to play war. If I pick instrument will she notice? How Good is shield? Perma berzerk ok... but does it have to stay equiped? Is it really that great in multi box situations? Her war is always near buff cap, so extra berserk seems kinda meh?
It's really only for the absolute 1% of minmaxers and the pretenders. It's not for people who don't literally count the seconds.
That said, she'll be more mad you took the choice away, than that you picked something.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-05-29 09:12:56
and BLU has A+ sword rank compared to DNC who (checks notes) doesn't have a sword skill at all. 
By SimonSes 2025-05-29 09:19:55
That said, she'll be more mad you took the choice away, than that you picked something.
Have to finally agree with Eiryl on something. Let her decide. None of those items are worth the eternal misery.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-05-29 09:25:12
This guy seriously said DNC has no sword skill. The amount of people who don't have a Demersal Degen build for flat blade spamming. Bring back public shaming!
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By Asura.Lunafreya 2025-05-29 09:52:14
I ultimately chose darkblade because it does something unique that you can't get anywhere else in the game. Rod was a contender but at the end of the day it's "more damage", and I know more damage is more damage but /shrug
Sword has that same unique quality to it in that you can get very nice slashing dmg on a job that doesn't normally have access to it. So I get that choice as well.
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By K123 2025-05-29 09:54:53
I also forgot that DNC has sword skill because it isn't on Naegling (so why the *** is DRG etc if they didn't want to ruin jobs?) and I have multiple well geared ML40 DNCs.
By K123 2025-05-29 09:55:27
I ultimately chose darkblade because it does something unique that you can't get anywhere else in the game. Rod was a contender but at the end of the day it's "more damage", and I know more damage is more damage but /shrug
Sword has that same unique quality to it in that you can get very nice slashing dmg on a job that doesn't normally have access to it. So I get that choice as well. The only reason I didn't choose Yagyu in the end was because I wanted my chars to be identical and only one has a geared NIN :(
By Shichishito 2025-05-29 10:01:24
You caught me, I didn't check the notes, sue me! That D still isn't impressive.
BLU has been brought up many times in this thread. At least several times by me alone. I must have missed that, did you post any numbers?
Other than someone pointing out obvious new skillchain options for BLU and another one with a screen shot of some mediocure numbers on kalunga(?) with DNC.
Did anyone post fast blade II numbers for BLU on something worth while?
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By Fenrir.Niflheim 2025-05-29 10:05:02
I also forgot that DNC has sword skill because it isn't on Naegling (so why the *** is DRG etc if they didn't want to ruin jobs?) well DRG is more proficient with the sword at C- rather than D, which made me think maybe that was the cutoff, but no... THF and RNG are on it and they have the same rank as DNC
ACTUALLY *** BST is on it and it has a rank of E
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By Shiva.Thorny 2025-05-29 10:05:33
Pretty sure the simple answer to Naegling is that DNC only gets piercing swords (fleurets), and Naegling isn't one.
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By Fenrir.Niflheim 2025-05-29 10:10:05
Pretty sure the simple answer to Naegling is that DNC only gets piercing swords (fleurets), and Naegling isn't one.
probably, but also like maybe they didn't want to balance it with SAM and DNC on the sword... not that they balanced it all that well anyway.
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By Shichishito 2025-05-29 10:18:55
Pretty sure the simple answer to Naegling is that DNC only gets piercing swords (fleurets), and Naegling isn't one. No need to try and figure their thought process. BLU for example has been on a aspis type shield befor yet it got denied the diamond aspis, I guess RDM needed that buff more.
There is simply no consistancy behind these types of decisions at all.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-05-29 10:21:29
https://www.ffxiah.com/search/item?&jobs[]=524288&skill_id=3#adv
Other than cosmetics, the only DNC usable swords are fleuret types. I guess the reasoning is these swords would be very light and graceful to wield.
https://www.ffxiah.com/search/item?&jobs[]=4096&skill_id=3#adv
Sam's are also only found on a unique sword type: scimitar, shotel, etc. I'm not sure what the lore reason to give samurai's the middle-eastern inspired sword type (Tulwar is indian, scimitar is middle-eastern, shotel is east africa)
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The thread;
Fight to the death about which free mog bonanza weapon you're picking.
Miracle Cheer and Sage's Staves bout to be EVERYWHERE *(on multiboxes, not mains)
IF you get a Miracle Cheer and use Singer, you need to alter the file to add it @ line 253
local extra_song_harp = {
[22249] = 3, -- Miracle Cheer}
Also alter line 109
This line is going to be different based on the gear you have, but around 260.
local dur = 260
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